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Foxen · Mar 26, 2008, 05:43 PM // 17:43

What is the diffrence, is it better to wield a cane with an idol/cesta than a staff?

I understand it like this: A staff can have all the mods of cane/cesta together in one, while a cane and cesta u have to split the mods between the two. whats the other diffrence?

I want to know all about it. (I have an E/mo nuker, and a N/Me SS)

Thanks!

Kattar · Mar 26, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Here's a thread from a couple of weeks ago that has some relevent information in it. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10266040

You may wanna skip the last couple of pages, as most of it is just arguing, lol.

Hope that helps some.

Ifandbut · Mar 27, 2008, 12:51 PM // 12:51

I gathered from that post that wand/focus was best for PvE (that's the only thing I am concerned about atm). What I did not understand was what they mean by 20/20 wand and/or offhand.
Also, someone hinted in that post that only weapons droped in Nightfall are able to have inscriptions and handles/heads. Is this correct?

Mr. G · Mar 27, 2008, 12:59 PM // 12:59

There are different mods for staves and foci sets

a advantage of a foci set is that you can double some mods

for example you can have 2 "live for today" mods, which means when you swap to that set you get a large amount of bonus E, bt -2 less e regen

this can help get that final spell off

its always best to carry serveral weapons, for PvE id suggest:

- Your basic staff of choice (Insightfull, hale, w/e)
- A high E set
- A longbow (ALWAYS carry a longbow, pulling is your friend)

also inscrible items also drop in GW:EN and high end PvE (Urgoz, deep and the like)

(wow that was alot of typos)

kranius · Mar 27, 2008, 01:55 PM // 13:55

20/20 wand means you have mods that makes you get 20% to have HCT and 20% to have HSR. Better used with a 20/20 offhand so you get 40/40 HCT/HSR, which pwnz ^^

S_Serpent · Mar 27, 2008, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by kranius

20/20 wand means you have mods that makes you get 20% to have HCT and 20% to have HSR. Better used with a 20/20 offhand so you get 40/40 HCT/HSR, which pwnz ^^

Just clearing up something you don't actually get HSR 40% and HCT 40% when you combine em.

you have a change to get 36% in total by combining the two.

Focus and wand gives you more flexibility towards swapping and tu use martial one-handed weapons.
Both have setups that can't be made by the other (staff vs wand/offhand)

free_fall · Mar 27, 2008, 03:24 PM // 15:24

Well, a wand + focus can give you more E than a staff alone, and +H to boot.

With the introduction of inscribable staffs, you can now have a staff with 25E - 1 +5 head, 1 +5 wrapping and 1 15/-1 inscription. Of course, you've then sacrificed the +30H.

Now, with a +5^50% or a +5/enchanted wand, paired with a 12/15/-1/+30H off-hand, you've got 32E *and* +30H. Use a 15/-1 wand with that same off-hand and you now have 42E, albeit at -2 regen. Such could be useful to get off a bunch of spells initially, like setting up a wall of rit spirits for example, then switching to a different weapon set to boost your regen.

Of course, you won't have 20/20 in either of those set-ups, though you might get a 10% HCT or HSR on the 5^50 or 5/ench wand.

snaek · Mar 27, 2008, 03:39 PM // 15:39

i like usin 20/40 +1
jus cuz its fun seein ss do 39dmg
or wit atb...seein it do 43dmg @__@

especially wit eles...
i jus like seein high dmg numbers lol
16 + 1 (weapon) + 2 (glyph) + 1 (elemental lord)
havin fireball do 147dmg vs 119dmg
not terribly useful cuz im sure theres more worthwhile skills to take lol
but its fun ^__^;;

edit:
oh and yea...staves r pretty bad
they're pretty much only good for weaponswap on:
1) (re)casting enchants
2) extra energy in emergency situations

and they're good for martial classes that dun attack
i.e. trapping ranger or deadly arts sin

but yea... wand/offhand > staff

Covah · Mar 27, 2008, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by S_Serpent

Just clearing up something you don't actually get HSR 40% and HCT 40% when you combine em.

HSR = halves skill recharge
HCT = halves casting time

Too clear that up

Chthon · Mar 27, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

Depends on what mods you want. Some mod options are only available on one option or the other.

"Faster recharge all spells" is available on staves, while wand+focus can only have "faster recharge item's attribute spells."
"20% longer enchantment duration" is available on staves, but not wands. (Though it is available on spears, so spear+focus is an option if you want that mod.)
If you want energy, staves top out at 15e + 5e^50, while wand+focus only goes up to 12e + 5e^50.
Dual faster recharge mods is available on wand+focus, but not staves.
Dual faster cast is available on both options, but it comes with 12e on the side for wand+focus, but only 10e for staves.

Quaker · Mar 27, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by Chthon

"20% longer enchantment duration" is available on staves, but not wands. (Though it is available on spears, so spear+focus is an option if you want that mod.)]

20% longer enchant is also available on Swords and Axes. Sword+focus is a common setup.

At any rate "weapon" + focus gives you many more possible combinations of requirements and effects than staves.

S_Serpent · Mar 28, 2008, 10:39 AM // 10:39

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Originally Posted by free_fall

With the introduction of inscribable staffs, you can now have a staff with 25E - 1 +5 head, 1 +5 wrapping and 1 15/-1 inscription. Of course, you've then sacrificed the +30H.

Now, with a +5^50% or a +5/enchanted wand, paired with a 12/15/-1/+30H off-hand, you've got 32E *and* +30H. Use a 15/-1 wand with that same off-hand and you now have 42E, albeit at -2 regen. Such could be useful to get off a bunch of spells initially, like setting up a wall of rit spirits for example, then switching to a different weapon set to boost your regen.

Of course, you won't have 20/20 in either of those set-ups, though you might get a 10% HCT or HSR on the 5^50 or 5/ench wand.

you actually can get a staff up to 30 energy and still have 30 hp on it!
10E (base) + 5E (head) + 15E/-1regen (inscription) + 30HP (wrapping)
a +5E wrapping doesn't exist!

while with a +5E and +30hp sword and offhand with +15e/-1regen you can get 32E in total with same energy degen (= -1)

I like the 20E staves with no energy degen too

Tyla · Mar 28, 2008, 12:39 PM // 12:39

It's mainly a matter of preference.

But if you're Monking, you should consider both.

40/40 Wand/Focus set allows more chance for HRT, and like the Staff, can get double HCT twice for say, a 1 second spell becomes 1/4 second cast. And it affects all spells.

A 40/20/20 Staff, is more suited on a Monk, because of the 20% Enchantments, and the double HCT. Things like Aegis come to mind.

Chthon · Mar 28, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by Quaker

20% longer enchant is also available on Swords and Axes. Sword+focus is a common setup.

Unless you never play with heroes or henchmen, the ability to direct henchmen plus the tiny DPS you get make a spear better than a sword/axe with the same stats.

Mar 26, 2008, 05:43 PM // 17:43	#1
Foxen Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Profession: E/Mo	Staff or cane? What is the diffrence, is it better to wield a cane with an idol/cesta than a staff? I understand it like this: A staff can have all the mods of cane/cesta together in one, while a cane and cesta u have to split the mods between the two. whats the other diffrence? I want to know all about it. (I have an E/mo nuker, and a N/Me SS) Thanks!

Mar 27, 2008, 03:39 PM // 15:39	#8
snaek Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: N/	i like usin 20/40 +1 jus cuz its fun seein ss do 39dmg or wit atb...seein it do 43dmg @__@ especially wit eles... i jus like seein high dmg numbers lol 16 + 1 (weapon) + 2 (glyph) + 1 (elemental lord) havin fireball do 147dmg vs 119dmg not terribly useful cuz im sure theres more worthwhile skills to take lol but its fun ^__^;; edit: oh and yea...staves r pretty bad they're pretty much only good for weaponswap on: 1) (re)casting enchants 2) extra energy in emergency situations and they're good for martial classes that dun attack i.e. trapping ranger or deadly arts sin but yea... wand/offhand > staff Last edited by snaek; Mar 27, 2008 at 03:44 PM // 15:44..

Mar 27, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21	#10
Chthon Grotto Attendant Join Date: Apr 2007	Depends on what mods you want. Some mod options are only available on one option or the other. "Faster recharge all spells" is available on staves, while wand+focus can only have "faster recharge item's attribute spells." "20% longer enchantment duration" is available on staves, but not wands. (Though it is available on spears, so spear+focus is an option if you want that mod.) If you want energy, staves top out at 15e + 5e^50, while wand+focus only goes up to 12e + 5e^50. Dual faster recharge mods is available on wand+focus, but not staves. Dual faster cast is available on both options, but it comes with 12e on the side for wand+focus, but only 10e for staves.

Mar 26, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47	#2
Kattar EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: SMS (lolgw2placeholder) Profession: Me/	Here's a thread from a couple of weeks ago that has some relevent information in it. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10266040 You may wanna skip the last couple of pages, as most of it is just arguing, lol. Hope that helps some.

Mar 27, 2008, 12:51 PM // 12:51	#3
Ifandbut Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2007 Profession: E/Mo	I gathered from that post that wand/focus was best for PvE (that's the only thing I am concerned about atm). What I did not understand was what they mean by 20/20 wand and/or offhand. Also, someone hinted in that post that only weapons droped in Nightfall are able to have inscriptions and handles/heads. Is this correct?

Mar 27, 2008, 12:59 PM // 12:59	#4
Mr. G Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: S. Wales Profession: Mo/Me	There are different mods for staves and foci sets a advantage of a foci set is that you can double some mods for example you can have 2 "live for today" mods, which means when you swap to that set you get a large amount of bonus E, bt -2 less e regen this can help get that final spell off its always best to carry serveral weapons, for PvE id suggest: - Your basic staff of choice (Insightfull, hale, w/e) - A high E set - A longbow (ALWAYS carry a longbow, pulling is your friend) also inscrible items also drop in GW:EN and high end PvE (Urgoz, deep and the like) (wow that was alot of typos)

Mar 27, 2008, 01:55 PM // 13:55	#5
kranius Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: France Profession: Me/	20/20 wand means you have mods that makes you get 20% to have HCT and 20% to have HSR. Better used with a 20/20 offhand so you get 40/40 HCT/HSR, which pwnz ^^

Mar 27, 2008, 03:24 PM // 15:24	#7
free_fall Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	Well, a wand + focus can give you more E than a staff alone, and +H to boot. With the introduction of inscribable staffs, you can now have a staff with 25E - 1 +5 head, 1 +5 wrapping and 1 15/-1 inscription. Of course, you've then sacrificed the +30H. Now, with a +5^50% or a +5/enchanted wand, paired with a 12/15/-1/+30H off-hand, you've got 32E and +30H. Use a 15/-1 wand with that same off-hand and you now have 42E, albeit at -2 regen. Such could be useful to get off a bunch of spells initially, like setting up a wall of rit spirits for example, then switching to a different weapon set to boost your regen. Of course, you won't have 20/20 in either of those set-ups, though you might get a 10% HCT or HSR on the 5^50 or 5/ench wand.

Mar 28, 2008, 12:39 PM // 12:39	#13
Tyla Emo Goth Italics Join Date: Sep 2006	It's mainly a matter of preference. But if you're Monking, you should consider both. 40/40 Wand/Focus set allows more chance for HRT, and like the Staff, can get double HCT twice for say, a 1 second spell becomes 1/4 second cast. And it affects all spells. A 40/20/20 Staff, is more suited on a Monk, because of the 20% Enchantments, and the double HCT. Things like Aegis come to mind.