Sir Tidus · Mar 24, 2008, 09:13 PM // 21:13

Hypothetically, for PvE, which of the following two would be better on a warrior with max armor and shield?
1. +10 armor vs. ele dmg and +30 health
2. +5 unconditional armor and +40 health

*Darcy* · Mar 24, 2008, 09:29 PM // 21:29

I prefer the "vs ele dmg" as that's the damage that comes out of nowhere and zaps you.

MisterB · Mar 24, 2008, 09:47 PM // 21:47

I assume you are talking about weapon mods, specifically, Warding vs. Defense. Warding is +7 max, not +10, and if I am going to take +armor, I take the +5 from Defense. The extra +2 from Warding is negligible unless you are min/maxing your stats for a solo farm build against elemental foes.

Jetdoc · Mar 24, 2008, 10:09 PM // 22:09

Warriors already have a ton of armor versus physical, so I would say +10 armor versus elemental would be preferred. In short, you're comparing +5 armor versus physical versus +5 armor versus elemental...and I'll take the elemental every time on a warrior.

Samscwamch · Mar 24, 2008, 11:36 PM // 23:36

on topic +5 defense and +40hp would be better, if you have a decent to good monk you wont have to worry about ele damage.

Draginvry · Mar 25, 2008, 05:42 AM // 05:42

If you must have an incomplete answer, then the +5/40 is by far the better option. But it really depends on what the mods are on, and how they can be switched up. For example, carrying more than one shield and having weapons with different mods easily beats having a "general mod for PvE" analysis.

But if you don't want a more detailed analysis, just stick with the +5/40. It will be more usefull for most of the game.

Shaz · Mar 25, 2008, 05:43 AM // 05:43

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Hypothetically, for PvE, which of the following two would be better on a warrior with max armor and shield?
1. +10 armor vs. ele dmg and +30 health
2. +5 unconditional armor and +40 health

Choice 2 would be my pick. +hp is always useful. And it is only 5 armor less vs ele damage, while you gain +5 to physical and +10hp.

Luminarus · Mar 25, 2008, 06:46 AM // 06:46

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Hypothetically, for PvE, which of the following two would be better on a warrior with max armor and shield?
1. +10 armor vs. ele dmg and +30 health
2. +5 unconditional armor and +40 health

Ok on a warrior you already have 116 vs physical (Max armor + shield) so the +5 isnt really needed. So I'd go for the first one because you only have 96vs ele atm.

However, if its one specific ele damage, i would choose the second option unless you know the area you're going into only has 1 type of damage (eg ice imps).

I am curious what these were in relation too...

Mr. Undisclosed · Mar 25, 2008, 07:30 AM // 07:30

Option #1, you already have a monster al vs. physical

kobey · Mar 25, 2008, 09:43 AM // 09:43

I pick 3: +10 armor vs Sir Tidus

Seriously, if you ask a question, be nice, thats the least you can do. MisterB's answer or assumption to your unspecific question, is no way near rude or disrespectful. I don't see how your reply is justified.

Anyway, why are you constantly asking profession specific question on Q&A forums? There are profession forums on guru you know?

And no, being rude to someone and thanking him for his effort later is not being polite.

Barbie · Mar 25, 2008, 04:37 PM // 16:37

Option B simply because that +5 armor will also protect you against Chaos, Holy and Dark damage.

Earth · Mar 25, 2008, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Tidus,

Please don't ask a question if you're just going to be rude when people try to answer you. Especially when it's such a vague question like you asked.

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Originally Posted by Barbie

Option B simply because that +5 armor will also protect you against Chaos, Holy and Dark damage.

No. Chaos is armor ignoring, and dark damage is armor ignoring, so +5 armor won't help you against those.

And holy damage is used so little there's no point in bringing it. So +10 armor vs ele it is.

Barbie · Mar 25, 2008, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by GWW

Unlike Shadow damage, dark damage is not armor-ignoring, but simply non-physical, non-elemental damage which uses the normal damage calculations.

They say the same about Chaos damage. So unless wiki is also wrong, I'm right ^^

Earth · Mar 25, 2008, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by Barbie

They say the same about Chaos damage. So unless wiki is also wrong, I'm right ^^

Doh.

Ignore me.

I'll still go with +10 armor vs eles though. If I bump into a heavy group of chaos/dark/holy damage guys, I'll switch to +5.

Sir Tidus · Mar 25, 2008, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by kobey

I pick 3: +10 armor vs Sir Tidus

Seriously, if you ask a question, be nice, thats the least you can do. MisterB's answer or assumption to your unspecific question, is no way near rude or disrespectful. I don't see how your reply is justified.

Anyway, why are you constantly asking profession specific question on Q&A forums? There are profession forums on guru you know?

And no, being rude to someone and thanking him for his effort later is not being polite.

Jeez man, I was just frustrated, that's all. I'm sorry alright. It was just that often times when I ask a question, people don't answer it and try to tell me something else instead. I know that's not anyone's fault and that most people are just trying to help. So I'm sorry MisterB and everyone else. Thanks everyone for your replies. I appreciate them a lot.

And also, I guess I will tell you guys about where those armor and health bonuses are coming from. I currently use 5 Dreadnought insignias and a sword pommel of defense. I have 540 health from fortitude shield and vigor rune. I want to change either one of the armor mods to health because I'm thinking about using one or two major runes. So there, that's the situation. Thanks everyone.

MisterB · Mar 25, 2008, 08:49 PM // 20:49

So if I understand you correctly, your question is: Which would be better on a Warrior in PvE?

1. Dreadnought's Insignia and a Fortitude weapon
2. Survivor Insignia and a Defense weapon

I chose option 3, but between those two, I suggest option 2, especially if you are considering 2 major runes. Try to find + X element, +30HP shields, and keep a Fortitude weapon available on a spare weaponset. You would probably get better results asking this in the Warrior forum.

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

What's option 3 anyways?

Option 3 can be any combination not included in the two options you asked. I chose a different combination.

Sir Tidus · Mar 25, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by MisterB

So if I understand you correctly, your question is: Which would be better on a Warrior in PvE?

1. Dreadnought's Insignia and a Fortitude weapon
2. Survivor Insignia and a Defense weapon

I chose option 3, but between those two, I suggest option 2, especially if you are considering 2 major runes. Try to find + X element, +30HP shields, and keep a Fortitude weapon available on a spare weaponset. You would probably get better results asking this in the Warrior forum.

Thanks. I won't necessarily use 2 major runes, maybe just one. What's option 3 anyways?

N E D M · Mar 26, 2008, 01:03 AM // 01:03

option 3 = radiant insig on shirt + pants, dreadnaught on boot + hands, minor str, minor tact, minor OR major OR sup wep rune on helm, Sup OR major vigor, reduce blind OR sup absorb rune

Sir Tidus · Mar 26, 2008, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by N E D M

option 3 = radiant insig on shirt + pants, dreadnaught on boot + hands, minor str, minor tact, minor OR major OR sup wep rune on helm, Sup OR major vigor, reduce blind OR sup absorb rune

Um, I'm not so sure about the first part.

Quaker · Mar 26, 2008, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Jeez man, I was just frustrated, that's all. I'm sorry alright. It was just that often times when I ask a question, people don't answer it and try to tell me something else instead.

Off topic: Good point - I've noticed that happens way too often, and not just to you. Someone asks "How can I do such&such?" and too many people answer "you shouldn't do such&such" and often don't even explain why, or answer the original question.

On topic: I'm usually a big fan of extra health as opposed to extra armor. Extra armor will reduce the amount of damage, but extra health will not only offset the extra damage, but give you more headroom versus degen (poison, bleeding, disease, etc.) which extra armor won't help you with.

Mar 24, 2008, 09:29 PM // 21:29	#2
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	I prefer the "vs ele dmg" as that's the damage that comes out of nowhere and zaps you. __________________ That's me, the old stick-in-the-mud non-fun moderator. (and non-understanding, also)

Mar 25, 2008, 09:43 AM // 09:43	#10
kobey GW Retiree Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Sg Unknown [KATE] Profession: W/	I pick 3: +10 armor vs Sir Tidus Seriously, if you ask a question, be nice, thats the least you can do. MisterB's answer or assumption to your unspecific question, is no way near rude or disrespectful. I don't see how your reply is justified. Anyway, why are you constantly asking profession specific question on Q&A forums? There are profession forums on guru you know? And no, being rude to someone and thanking him for his effort later is not being polite. Last edited by kobey; Mar 25, 2008 at 09:46 AM // 09:46..

Mar 24, 2008, 09:13 PM // 21:13	#1
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	Which +Armor Would Be Better on a Warrior? Hypothetically, for PvE, which of the following two would be better on a warrior with max armor and shield? 1. +10 armor vs. ele dmg and +30 health 2. +5 unconditional armor and +40 health Last edited by Sir Tidus; Mar 25, 2008 at 04:45 AM // 04:45..

Mar 24, 2008, 09:47 PM // 21:47	#3
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	I assume you are talking about weapon mods, specifically, Warding vs. Defense. Warding is +7 max, not +10, and if I am going to take +armor, I take the +5 from Defense. The extra +2 from Warding is negligible unless you are min/maxing your stats for a solo farm build against elemental foes.

Mar 24, 2008, 10:09 PM // 22:09	#4
Jetdoc Hell's Protector Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: The Eyes of Texas [BEVO] Profession: D/A	Warriors already have a ton of armor versus physical, so I would say +10 armor versus elemental would be preferred. In short, you're comparing +5 armor versus physical versus +5 armor versus elemental...and I'll take the elemental every time on a warrior.

Mar 24, 2008, 11:36 PM // 23:36	#5
Samscwamch Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: W/	on topic +5 defense and +40hp would be better, if you have a decent to good monk you wont have to worry about ele damage.

Mar 25, 2008, 05:42 AM // 05:42	#6
Draginvry Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2007 Guild: The Underground PvP Society (PVPS) Profession: N/Mo	If you must have an incomplete answer, then the +5/40 is by far the better option. But it really depends on what the mods are on, and how they can be switched up. For example, carrying more than one shield and having weapons with different mods easily beats having a "general mod for PvE" analysis. But if you don't want a more detailed analysis, just stick with the +5/40. It will be more usefull for most of the game.

Mar 25, 2008, 07:30 AM // 07:30	#9
Mr. Undisclosed I phail Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Phailville Profession: D/	Option #1, you already have a monster al vs. physical

Mar 25, 2008, 04:37 PM // 16:37	#11
Barbie Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Qu??bec Profession: W/	Option B simply because that +5 armor will also protect you against Chaos, Holy and Dark damage.

Mar 26, 2008, 01:03 AM // 01:03	#18
N E D M Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Officer's Club Guild: Gameamp Guides [AMP]	option 3 = radiant insig on shirt + pants, dreadnaught on boot + hands, minor str, minor tact, minor OR major OR sup wep rune on helm, Sup OR major vigor, reduce blind OR sup absorb rune