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whitedragon · Mar 06, 2008, 07:58 AM // 07:58

Why is it that most if not all the players think that perfect swords has to be

ap 20/20 +30hp 15^50? I was selling a furious elem. sword of fort.+30hp

15^50(req9)gold furious =10% and every player who looked at it said its not

perfect it has to be ap 20/20 to be perfect. what happened to all maxed stats =perfect

Nightmares Hammer · Mar 06, 2008, 08:02 AM // 08:02

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Originally Posted by whitedragon

Why is it that most if not all the players think that perfect swords has to be

ap 20/20 +30hp 15^50? I was selling a furious elem. sword of fort.+30hp

15^50(req9)gold furious =10% and every player who looked at it said its not

perfect it has to be ap 20/20 to be perfect. what happened to all maxed stats =perfect

Sundering is'nt good...

Vampiric > Sundering.

garethporlest18 · Mar 06, 2008, 08:20 AM // 08:20

Because they don't know any better. Furious>Vampiric>Sundering.

**Marty Silverblade** · Mar 06, 2008, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by Nightmares Hammer

Sundering is'nt good...

Vampiric > Sundering.

Sundering is good. It's just crap when you put it on weapons with low damage ranges, like swords. If I get a sundering bonus and a crit hit bonus with an eviscerate, you're pretty much screwed.

EDIT: @ above poster: Furious is meh, practically useless on swords.

maraxusofk · Mar 06, 2008, 08:25 AM // 08:25

Since most ppl in pvp pack a +10 vs slashing dmg mod on their shields, (icy, ebon) > furious > sundering. many ppl pack vs fire mods against rodgarts, so........

-Loki- · Mar 06, 2008, 08:56 AM // 08:56

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

Because they don't know any better. Furious>Vampiric>Sundering.

Furious is garbage. You don't know any better.

Nightmares Hammer · Mar 06, 2008, 09:14 AM // 09:14

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

Furious is garbage. You don't know any better.

QFT

Although, in PvE anything and everything works, so it doesn't really matter. :P

In PvP however, you have to switch weapons depending on your enemies weakness.

Buddhaofwar · Mar 06, 2008, 09:28 AM // 09:28

elemental dmg ftw. really only have to switch out vs rangers. (yes, I am bad at pvp, why do you ask? =P )

Dark Kal · Mar 06, 2008, 09:36 AM // 09:36

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

Because they don't know any better. Furious>Vampiric>Sundering.

Sundering>Vamperic

Since sundering doesn't give you -1 HP regen. Just saying Vamperic is better because it does more DPS than sundering is stupid.

Sundering>Furious

Since the +10% chance of double adrenaline is hardly noticeable and a warrior has many non-adrenaline skills, so it depends on your build as well.

Sundering>Furious>Vamperic

Longasc · Mar 06, 2008, 09:52 AM // 09:52

LOL, another sundering/furious/vampiric debate.

Weapon Mods hardly matter. But we can make a big fuss about it all the time, hehe.

I wish GW-PvE would throw much more different mobs with various strengths and weaknesses at us. The Ice Golems e.g. take extra damage from fire, so a fiery weapon works well. Warriors are more vulnerable to elemental weapons, due to their inherent +20 vs physical bonus, while rangers have +30 vs elemental.

Mark of Rodgort needs fire damage to trigger, Mark of Pain physical damage, and Spinal Shivers cold damage... and so on.

I personally hate it when people sell their stuff fully modded to raise the price (which unfortunately works), I prefer the blank weapon to mod it myself to suit my needs. I do not need 10+ identical sundering swords, I have 4 elemental weapons, a vampiric, a sundering, a furious, a zealous and so on with me. I store either axes or swords in the 2nd storage tab and take only those I need for the mission with me, same for shields with +10 vs X mods.

Furious lost some appeal now that FGJ and FA and many other skills provide double adrenaline/adrenaline boosts. Furious was hugely popular among Paragons for a while, but if you run around with FGJ+FA, you need everything else, but for sure not a Furious spearhead.

But who uses swords for Dragonslash and SY anyways - real men use zealous axes and give a damn about defense.

N1ghtstalker · Mar 06, 2008, 10:12 AM // 10:12

depends on what you play
if the players don't like it that your sword is with a furious mod so what
they can just buy the sword and put the sundering on themselves
what's the big deal anyway?
a perfect weapon is a q9 max damage weapon with perfect mods/inscriptions on it

masta_yoda · Mar 06, 2008, 10:27 AM // 10:27

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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

depends on what you play
if the players don't like it that your sword is with a furious mod so what
they can just buy the sword and put the sundering on themselves
what's the big deal anyway?
a perfect weapon is a q9 max damage weapon with perfect mods/inscriptions on it

no... perfect can b any req just perfect inherent dmg modifier and for shields its maxed on both mods and mx dmg/armor

N1ghtstalker · Mar 06, 2008, 10:30 AM // 10:30

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Originally Posted by masta_yoda

no... perfect can b any req just perfect inherent dmg modifier and for shields its maxed on both mods and mx dmg/armor

that's true
the q9 is just something for luxury
you're absolutely right
if it's max damage with perfect mods the weapon is perfect
you'll still do an equal amount of damage with a Q9 Ele sword 15^50 20/20 +30hp and a Q13 ele sword 15^50 20/20 +30 when you have like 16 in Swordsmanship

Lord Sojar · Mar 06, 2008, 10:44 AM // 10:44

Vampiric = Furious

It depends on situation. Use furious for building on a 60AL or 70AL (dervish or ranger), use vampiric on spike. Use sundering, ummm.... never?

Use elemental (mainly ebon) on warriors and Paragons (well paras dont matter really) Since warriors have 100AL vs physical, you use an elemental weapon against them. However, since rangers have 100AL vs elemental dmg, you use furious to build, and then spike them with vamp.

This argument is SOOO old.

Sundering... sucks. The ONLY character that it is remotely useful to use against is a monster in HM in PvE, because 20% of 200AL is -40AL. That is a decent chunk.

Pleikki · Mar 06, 2008, 10:46 AM // 10:46

Yeah i allways tell that even 15^ench 1/-1 and +7arm vs psys Is perfect..

makosi · Mar 06, 2008, 11:11 AM // 11:11

I'm a big fan of zealous mods on swords. It makes it easy to use Frenzy as much as I want.

Pesi · Mar 06, 2008, 11:46 AM // 11:46

thats correct, all maxed mods are perfect, people still dont know that 20/20 is only worth having on hammers, bows, schytes etc. Not on swords and axes cos it makes such a small diffrence so more worth more adrenal, or vamp.

Bryant Again · Mar 06, 2008, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

Right, because one doubling of adrenaline every 13 seconds makes a huge difference *rolles eyes*.

It does. Fury hilts are awesome.

To answer the OP: The term "perfect" used in Guild Wars does not, in the slightest, mean that it's actually "perfect." It just means that it has the most popular stats, but funnily enough those stats aren't usually the most effective.

MagmaRed · Mar 06, 2008, 02:52 PM // 14:52

Sundering, 15^50, and +30 is 'perfect', and the best option because of this:

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Warrior...uick_reference

Look over the list, you will find 5 Axes, 8 Hammers, and 5 Swords with those stats. Everyone knows Green weapons are the best. Now, look at the ones that have 20/20 and +30, but modify the 15^50. Quite a few with 15/-5, 15^enchant, 15^stance, etc. Sundering + Fortitude is special.

Mr_Unlucky · Mar 06, 2008, 03:31 PM // 15:31

Me like zealous and furious, me no like vamp cause the degen is annoyining to which and +3 per sving is poor dmg. sundering is the no brainer from them all. thats the mod you dont have to think. it just is there for the imagined extra dmg.
it goes like this:
zealous=intelligent mans choice
sundering=stupid mans choice

Mar 06, 2008, 07:58 AM // 07:58	#1
whitedragon Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: Golden Dragons of Tyria (G0ID) Profession: N/E	Perfect Swords? Why is it that most if not all the players think that perfect swords has to be ap 20/20 +30hp 15^50? I was selling a furious elem. sword of fort.+30hp 15^50(req9)gold furious =10% and every player who looked at it said its not perfect it has to be ap 20/20 to be perfect. what happened to all maxed stats =perfect

Mar 06, 2008, 08:20 AM // 08:20	#3
garethporlest18 Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: [HiDe] Profession: W/	Because they don't know any better. Furious>Vampiric>Sundering.

Mar 06, 2008, 08:25 AM // 08:25	#5
maraxusofk Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Francisco, UC Berkeley Guild: International District [id多], In Soviet Russia Altar Caps You [CCCP], LOL at [eF] Profession: W/	Since most ppl in pvp pack a +10 vs slashing dmg mod on their shields, (icy, ebon) > furious > sundering. many ppl pack vs fire mods against rodgarts, so........

Mar 06, 2008, 09:28 AM // 09:28	#8
Buddhaofwar Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2008 Guild: Flying Gophers Profession: W/	elemental dmg ftw. really only have to switch out vs rangers. (yes, I am bad at pvp, why do you ask? =P )

Mar 06, 2008, 09:52 AM // 09:52	#10
Longasc Forge Runner Join Date: May 2005	LOL, another sundering/furious/vampiric debate. Weapon Mods hardly matter. But we can make a big fuss about it all the time, hehe. I wish GW-PvE would throw much more different mobs with various strengths and weaknesses at us. The Ice Golems e.g. take extra damage from fire, so a fiery weapon works well. Warriors are more vulnerable to elemental weapons, due to their inherent +20 vs physical bonus, while rangers have +30 vs elemental. Mark of Rodgort needs fire damage to trigger, Mark of Pain physical damage, and Spinal Shivers cold damage... and so on. I personally hate it when people sell their stuff fully modded to raise the price (which unfortunately works), I prefer the blank weapon to mod it myself to suit my needs. I do not need 10+ identical sundering swords, I have 4 elemental weapons, a vampiric, a sundering, a furious, a zealous and so on with me. I store either axes or swords in the 2nd storage tab and take only those I need for the mission with me, same for shields with +10 vs X mods. Furious lost some appeal now that FGJ and FA and many other skills provide double adrenaline/adrenaline boosts. Furious was hugely popular among Paragons for a while, but if you run around with FGJ+FA, you need everything else, but for sure not a Furious spearhead. But who uses swords for Dragonslash and SY anyways - real men use zealous axes and give a damn about defense.

Mar 06, 2008, 10:12 AM // 10:12	#11
N1ghtstalker Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2007 Profession: E/	depends on what you play if the players don't like it that your sword is with a furious mod so what they can just buy the sword and put the sundering on themselves what's the big deal anyway? a perfect weapon is a q9 max damage weapon with perfect mods/inscriptions on it

Mar 06, 2008, 10:44 AM // 10:44	#14
Lord Sojar The Fallen One Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Oblivion Guild: Irrelevant Profession: Mo/Me	Vampiric = Furious It depends on situation. Use furious for building on a 60AL or 70AL (dervish or ranger), use vampiric on spike. Use sundering, ummm.... never? Use elemental (mainly ebon) on warriors and Paragons (well paras dont matter really) Since warriors have 100AL vs physical, you use an elemental weapon against them. However, since rangers have 100AL vs elemental dmg, you use furious to build, and then spike them with vamp. This argument is SOOO old. Sundering... sucks. The ONLY character that it is remotely useful to use against is a monster in HM in PvE, because 20% of 200AL is -40AL. That is a decent chunk.

Mar 06, 2008, 10:46 AM // 10:46	#15
Pleikki WTB q8 15^50 Weapons! Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: ???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]	Yeah i allways tell that even 15^ench 1/-1 and +7arm vs psys Is perfect..

Mar 06, 2008, 11:11 AM // 11:11	#16
makosi Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: "Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff. Guild: Requirement Begins With R [notQ] Profession: Me/	I'm a big fan of zealous mods on swords. It makes it easy to use Frenzy as much as I want.

Mar 06, 2008, 11:46 AM // 11:46	#17
Pesi Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Droknars Forge Guild: No Goats No Glory Profession: Me/	thats correct, all maxed mods are perfect, people still dont know that 20/20 is only worth having on hammers, bows, schytes etc. Not on swords and axes cos it makes such a small diffrence so more worth more adrenal, or vamp.

Mar 06, 2008, 02:52 PM // 14:52	#19
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	Sundering, 15^50, and +30 is 'perfect', and the best option because of this: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Warrior...uick_reference Look over the list, you will find 5 Axes, 8 Hammers, and 5 Swords with those stats. Everyone knows Green weapons are the best. Now, look at the ones that have 20/20 and +30, but modify the 15^50. Quite a few with 15/-5, 15^enchant, 15^stance, etc. Sundering + Fortitude is special.

Mar 06, 2008, 03:31 PM // 15:31	#20
Mr_Unlucky Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Finland Guild: Seekers of the Aetherian (Void) Profession: W/N	Me like zealous and furious, me no like vamp cause the degen is annoyining to which and +3 per sving is poor dmg. sundering is the no brainer from them all. thats the mod you dont have to think. it just is there for the imagined extra dmg. it goes like this: zealous=intelligent mans choice sundering=stupid mans choice