Attack Speed Increase Skills? - Guild Wars Forums

bisurge · Apr 02, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01

How come nobody uses attack speed increase skills? (Frenzy, flurry, lightning reflexes, tiger's fury, those are only the ones I know of)

FlamingMetroid · Apr 02, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Assassins- Crit Agility
Wars- Flail, Frenzy
Rangers- dont need them
Dervs- to overpowered as it is to be given a decent maintainable one

2048 · Apr 02, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Uh... I'm not sure where you've been for the past 3 years, but those have all been essential parts of a GOOD build, as far as I know, so....
uhh yeah
not much else to say

bisurge · Apr 02, 2008, 02:06 AM // 02:06

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

Assassins- Crit Agility
Wars- Flail, Frenzy
Rangers- dont need them
Dervs- to overpowered as it is to be given a decent maintainable one

Hmm I was talking about Prophecies but okay...

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Originally Posted by 2048

Uh... I'm not sure where you've been for the past 3 years, but those have all been essential parts of a GOOD build, as far as I know, so....
uhh yeah
not much else to say

Then I have not seen many good builds.

Alex the Great · Apr 02, 2008, 02:07 AM // 02:07

what are you talking about!!!!!

IF you don't use them you officially suck!!!!!!

Frenzy and flail are common, and i use flurry on a sin

Macks Mistress · Apr 02, 2008, 02:07 AM // 02:07

I use them...and pretty much everyone I play with uses them.

Are you pugging alot? If so...there is your answer.

Mesmer in Need · Apr 02, 2008, 02:07 AM // 02:07

People do use the, alot. I have no idea where you came up with that idea. Alot of low levels may not have access to these yet, however. An IAS (increase attack speed) can greatly increase a melee or ranged attacker greatly.

RavagerOfDreams · Apr 02, 2008, 02:07 AM // 02:07

most melee classes do use a ias
dunno where you been looking all the melee people i kno use a ias :S

wars - flail, frenzy
sins- critical agility, tigers stance, flurry
dervs- heart of fury, pious fury
rangers - rapid fire (not used much cuz rangers don't need a ias)
paras- agressive refrain

shoyon456 · Apr 02, 2008, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

Wars- Flail, Frenzy
Dervs- to overpowered as it is to be given a decent maintainable one

Um, excuse me? Frenzy can be used by anything X/W and many many dervs run flail in pvp anyways.

And on the derv topic, yeah pious fury is not a greatly maintained IAS, but Heart of Fury is routinely used in dervish builds

In short, almost all classes that rely on melee damage will have some form of IAS, whether in pvp or pve

Tyla · Apr 02, 2008, 02:11 AM // 02:11

No IAS on your common Warrior = bad Warrior.
No IAS on your common Dervish = bad Dervish.
No IAS on your common Paragon = bad Paragon. (And Paragons get the most imba IAS in the game...)
Rangers don't need one.

@Shoyon456 -- Frenzy on a non-Warrior is suicidal. And where is this PvP a Dervish is using Flail...?

bisurge · Apr 02, 2008, 02:12 AM // 02:12

How about melee rangers like the Berserker's Fury one on the builds directory?

Tyla · Apr 02, 2008, 02:14 AM // 02:14

Melee Rangers are gimmicky, degenerate builds that deserve to be degenerated.

ShadowsRequiem · Apr 02, 2008, 02:16 AM // 02:16

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

No IAS on your common Warrior = bad Warrior.
No IAS on your common Dervish = bad Dervish.
No IAS on your common Paragon = bad Paragon. (And Paragons get the most imba IAS in the game...)
Rangers don't need one.

@Shoyon456 -- Frenzy on a non-Warrior is suicidal. And where is this PvP a Dervish is using Flail...?

ummmm maybe its suicidal if you have no clue what you are doing......

even with low Str flail still gives you a solid time.

Berserker stance is trash. Use flail or Frenzy. Bring a cancel stance incase you are taking to much damage

FlamingMetroid · Apr 02, 2008, 02:16 AM // 02:16

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Originally Posted by bisurge

How about melee rangers like the Berserker's Fury one on the builds directory?

no, interrupt people with bows
melee builds like bunny thumper and escape way pop up every now and then, but interruption and pressure is the way to go.

ShadowsRequiem · Apr 02, 2008, 02:19 AM // 02:19

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

no, interrupt people with bows
melee builds like bunny thumper and escape way pop up every now and then, but interruption and pressure is the way to go.

Since when is playing a bunny thumper not pressure?

Tyla · Apr 02, 2008, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

ummmm maybe its suicidal if you have no clue what you are doing......

Err...no...if the enemy has no clue what they're doing, it's not suicidal.
Being in Frenzy and being under fire is already painful on a Warrior.

ShadowsRequiem · Apr 02, 2008, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Err...no...if the enemy has no clue what they're doing, it's not suicidal.
Being in Frenzy and being under fire is already painful on a Warrior.

So why would you frenzy in the first place if multiple targets are on you?

Thats why people bring a cancel stance. To use it.

FlamingMetroid · Apr 02, 2008, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Being in Frenzy and being under fire is already painful on a Warrior.

I <3 cancel stances

Tyla · Apr 02, 2008, 02:33 AM // 02:33

What class other than a Warrior are you using it on anyway?
Assassins have Flurry and Tiger Stance for Dagger spikes.
Casters...well, self explanatory.
Dervishs have HoF.
Paragons have AR.
Rangers don't need an IAS unless they're running some shitty gimmick.

Anyone decent will target a non-Warrior in Frenzy as it's beyond an easy kill. Frenzy will be useless on that class at that point.

Oh yeah, at this:

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even with low Str flail still gives you a solid time.

The reason I said that, is because he said PvP. Flail = self snare and only good on Hammers in PvP.

ShadowsRequiem · Apr 02, 2008, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

What class other than a Warrior are you using it on anyway?
Assassins have Flurry and Tiger Stance for Dagger spikes.
Casters...well, self explanatory.
Dervishs have HoF.
Paragons have AR.
Rangers don't need an IAS unless they're running some shitty gimmick.

Anyone decent will target a non-Warrior in Frenzy as it's beyond an easy kill. Frenzy will be useless on that class at that point.

Oh yeah, at this:
The reason I said that, is because he said PvP. Flail = self snare and only good on Hammers in PvP.

not my fault you cant use a cancel stance :P

and dunno what pvp do you not include some sort of snare too? this is just getting silly.

And a/ws used to use frenzy and still can, you just can't be stupid. Though i'll agree flurry works just fine with the armor ignoring dmg.

Also no one said it had to be on PVP

Apr 02, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01	#1
bisurge Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2008	Attack Speed Increase Skills? How come nobody uses attack speed increase skills? (Frenzy, flurry, lightning reflexes, tiger's fury, those are only the ones I know of)

Apr 02, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05	#2
FlamingMetroid Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: standing on your last control point, while the rest of your team is to busy killing mine Guild: The Luminaries [Lumi] Profession: A/	Assassins- Crit Agility Wars- Flail, Frenzy Rangers- dont need them Dervs- to overpowered as it is to be given a decent maintainable one

Apr 02, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05	#3
2048 Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Guild Wars Guild: Brotherhood of Veterans C co [BRO] Profession: D/	Uh... I'm not sure where you've been for the past 3 years, but those have all been essential parts of a GOOD build, as far as I know, so.... uhh yeah not much else to say

Apr 02, 2008, 02:07 AM // 02:07	#5
Alex the Great Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: America.....got a problem with that? Guild: [Lite] Profession: W/	what are you talking about!!!!! IF you don't use them you officially suck!!!!!! Frenzy and flail are common, and i use flurry on a sin

Apr 02, 2008, 02:07 AM // 02:07	#6
Macks Mistress Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: UK Guild: Avatar Of Heroes [Hero]	I use them...and pretty much everyone I play with uses them. Are you pugging alot? If so...there is your answer.

Apr 02, 2008, 02:07 AM // 02:07	#7
Mesmer in Need Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: [ToA]	People do use the, alot. I have no idea where you came up with that idea. Alot of low levels may not have access to these yet, however. An IAS (increase attack speed) can greatly increase a melee or ranged attacker greatly.

Apr 02, 2008, 02:07 AM // 02:07	#8
RavagerOfDreams Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: somewhere over the rainbow.... Profession: A/	most melee classes do use a ias dunno where you been looking all the melee people i kno use a ias :S wars - flail, frenzy sins- critical agility, tigers stance, flurry dervs- heart of fury, pious fury rangers - rapid fire (not used much cuz rangers don't need a ias) paras- agressive refrain

Apr 02, 2008, 02:11 AM // 02:11	#10
Tyla Emo Goth Italics Join Date: Sep 2006	No IAS on your common Warrior = bad Warrior. No IAS on your common Dervish = bad Dervish. No IAS on your common Paragon = bad Paragon. (And Paragons get the most imba IAS in the game...) Rangers don't need one. @Shoyon456 -- Frenzy on a non-Warrior is suicidal. And where is this PvP a Dervish is using Flail...?

Apr 02, 2008, 02:12 AM // 02:12	#11
bisurge Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2008	How about melee rangers like the Berserker's Fury one on the builds directory?

Apr 02, 2008, 02:14 AM // 02:14	#12
Tyla Emo Goth Italics Join Date: Sep 2006	Melee Rangers are gimmicky, degenerate builds that deserve to be degenerated.