Question About Moving Speed Increase - Guild Wars Forums

Sir Tidus · Apr 18, 2008, 01:01 AM // 01:01

Is moving speed increase worded wrong just like attack speed increase? Does 33% increase in moving speed actually mean 50% and 25% mean 33%? Thanks.

ShadowsRequiem · Apr 18, 2008, 01:16 AM // 01:16

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Speed_boost

Cap is 33%

two stances can't be active at one time.

The only skill that breaks the cap is dash and burning speed :F

Sir Tidus · Apr 18, 2008, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Speed_boost

Cap is 33%

two stances can't be active at one time.

The only skill that breaks the cap is dash

Um, that's not what I asked.

Can someone answer two questions for me?
Given that in 100 seconds you can normally run 100 meters.
Q1: With a 33% speed boost, how far can you run in 100 seconds?
Q2: With a 33% speed boost, how long does it take you to run 100 meters?

ShadowsRequiem · Apr 18, 2008, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Um, that's not what I asked.

Can someone answer two questions for me?
Given that in 100 seconds you can normally run 100 meters.
Q1: With a 33% speed boost, how far can you run in 100 seconds?
Q2: With a 33% speed boost, how long does it take you to run 100 meters?

rofl...... are you serious?

+33% is basically multiplying them by 1.33
so
100 meters is 133

I have no idea what you are talking about atm. Because your first question is worded so badly.

Sir Tidus · Apr 18, 2008, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

rofl...... are you serious?

+33% is basically multiplying them by 1.33
so
100 meters is 133

I have no idea what you are talking about atm. Because your first question is worded so badly.

Grrrr... For IAS, 33% increase in attack speed is worded wrong and actually means 33% reduction in attacking time, thus meaning 50% increase in attack speed. So I'm wondering if it's the same thing for movement speed increase. Does 33% increase in moving speed mean 33% reduction in moving time or does it mean 33% increase in moving distance? Because those two are different.

Coloneh · Apr 18, 2008, 03:02 AM // 03:02

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Grrrr... For IAS, 33% increase in attack speed is worded wrong and actually means 33% reduction in attacking time, thus meaning 50% increase in attack speed. So I'm wondering if it's the same thing for movement speed increase. Does 33% increase in moving speed mean 33% reduction in moving time or does it mean 33% increase in moving distance? Because those two are different.

IAS is not worded incorrectly, you just misunderstand it. IAS reduces the time of the attack(an increase in speed), increasing the number of hits by more (50%).

Sir Tidus · Apr 18, 2008, 03:11 AM // 03:11

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

IAS is not worded incorrectly, you just misunderstand it. IAS reduces the time of the attack(an increase in speed), increasing the number of hits by more (50%).

Lol, that's exactly what I just said, and that's exactly why it's worded wrong. But that's not the point. I just wanna know if movement speed increase is worded the same way. What does 33% increase in movement speed mean? Does it mean that your speed increase by 33% or does it mean that you move the same distance in 33% less time? THOSE TWO ARE NOT THE SAME! WHICH IS IT? DOES ANYONE KNOW?

Konig Des Todes · Apr 18, 2008, 03:36 AM // 03:36

I do not know myself, but I do get what your asking, and I will tell you that your wording is confusing to many. And if I didn't word things weirdly a lot, I wouldn't know what you meant. But IAS isn't worded wrong, but it can be worded different to mean the same thing. IMS probably works that you move 33% faster, as IAS is attack 33% faster.

IAS=attack 33% faster, get 50% more hits *attack and hits are the key words, therefore not worded wrong*
IMS=*probably* move 33% faster, which *might* mean that you travel 50%more distance.

Someone has to test it, but I think that you would have to do so yourself, just take a stopwatch, and run from Kamadan to Great Sunspear Hall, without speed boosts, then again with 33% faster speed boost. If it is how I stated, then neither would be worded wrong but could also be worded differently.

Sir Tidus · Apr 18, 2008, 04:00 AM // 04:00

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

I do not know myself, but I do get what your asking, and I will tell you that your wording is confusing to many. And if I didn't word things weirdly a lot, I wouldn't know what you meant. But IAS isn't worded wrong, but it can be worded different to mean the same thing. IMS probably works that you move 33% faster, as IAS is attack 33% faster.

IAS=attack 33% faster, get 50% more hits *attack and hits are the key words, therefore not worded wrong*
IMS=*probably* move 33% faster, which *might* mean that you travel 50%more distance.

Someone has to test it, but I think that you would have to do so yourself, just take a stopwatch, and run from Kamadan to Great Sunspear Hall, without speed boosts, then again with 33% faster speed boost. If it is how I stated, then neither would be worded wrong but could also be worded differently.

Thanks. Though I believe that IAS is still technically worded wrong, because in proper English, attacking faster would mean speed increase, not time reduction. The way it's said now is weird. But then again, who speaks proper English these days? Thanks again. I'll go try it out, seeing as no one knows the answer.

Buzzer · Apr 18, 2008, 09:21 AM // 09:21

I tested this and

Running a set distance at normal speed takes X% longer than the same distance ran with an X% speed boost.

So an X% speed boost means your speed increases by X%.

By contrast, an X% attack speed increase actually decreases the inverse of your original speed by X%. This assumes attack speed is measured in Hertz, though Anet seem to use inverse Hertz. This is where the confusion comes from.

**Marty Silverblade** · Apr 18, 2008, 09:47 AM // 09:47

You don't understand percentages. Percentages are always OF something... an increased speed movement gives an additional 33% moving speed OF how fast your moving. Theres a 33% cap, so you won't really see the OF part in that statement be anything other than 100 (using that as an example, just because 33% of 100 is 33

), or your normal movement speed.

Attack speed is different. It's a 33% increase OF your current attack speed, which would be 1.33 seconds (or 1.5 or 1.75, you get the idea). We're not saying you attack 50% faster, we're saying you'll get 50% more hits in. Number of hits and attack speed is completely different.

Kale Ironfist · Apr 18, 2008, 12:02 PM // 12:02

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

You don't understand percentages. Percentages are always OF something... an increased speed movement gives an additional 33% moving speed OF how fast your moving. Theres a 33% cap, so you won't really see the OF part in that statement be anything other than 100 (using that as an example, just because 33% of 100 is 33

), or your normal movement speed.

Attack speed is different. It's a 33% increase OF your current attack speed, which would be 1.33 seconds (or 1.5 or 1.75, you get the idea). We're not saying you attack 50% faster, we're saying you'll get 50% more hits in. Number of hits and attack speed is completely different.

Attack speed is x% DECREASE. That's how you get the 50% number on a 33%. Anyway, what Sir Tidus is asking is does a 33% IMS increase your movement speed by 33% (if without it, you'd move 1 unit, with it, you move 1.33 units) or does it decrease the amount of time needed by 33%, a la IAS skills (where without it, you move 1 unit, with it, you move 1.5 units).

To that question, I don't know the answer.

Wirt · Apr 18, 2008, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Ok, you are mixing Percent, rate and time and getting a garbled result. Comparing increased movement speed % and amount of distance are comparing apples and oranges.

The 33% increased attack speed and increased movement both cause an increase of 33% in the number of hits or distance that you can do. However after an extended amount of time, due to an increase in 33%, you can double or even triple the amount of hits or distance that you do in comparison to regular speed.

Its really a function of rate over time. Dont compare % to #, it will give different results. Compare % to % and # to # over a fixed amount of time.

I hope i didnt get my calculus mixed up there.

hippo942 · Apr 18, 2008, 06:18 PM // 18:18

How are we meant to know how long 100metres is? we dont have a tap measure in the game

c_ras · Apr 18, 2008, 08:32 PM // 20:32

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Um, that's not what I asked.

Can someone answer two questions for me?
Given that in 100 seconds you can normally run 100 meters.
Q1: With a 33% speed boost, how far can you run in 100 seconds?
Q2: With a 33% speed boost, how long does it take you to run 100 meters?

Ok I will try to spell it out

It is just takes a little simple math
Follow..

Distance = rate x time
d=r x t

Given that in 100 seconds you can normally run 100 meters
therefore we can conclude that:

d = 100 meters
t = 100 seconds

Therefore with the equation d = (r x t) we get 100 meters = 100 seconds x r
where r is our normal rate. We can solve for r which is 1 m/s. We will give this "r" the annotation of r1 to note that it is our initial r

When there is a speed increase, the rate increases
Because it is 33% increase, we now have a new equation

r2 = 1.33 x r1

Using the initial equation of d = r x t
we now get

d = (1.33 x r1) x t

if r1 = 1 m/s and t = 100 seconds
d = 1.33 x (1 m/s) x (100 seconds) = 133 meters

133 meters is the distance someone will travel in 100 seconds

Now if you want to know how long it will take for someone to run 100 meters with the 33% speed increase, you use the same equations and variables

After doing the math and moving around you'll get

r2 = d/t
where r2 = 1.33 x r1 = 1.33 x (1 m/s) = 1.33 m/s
and d = 100 meters

So we now get:
t = d/r
t = (100 meters) / (1.33 m/s) = 75.187 seconds

Using the 33% speed increase, it will take the person 75.187 seconds to cover that distance.

I hope this is clear and makes sense.

Sir Tidus · Apr 19, 2008, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by c_ras

Ok I will try to spell it out

It is just takes a little simple math
Follow..

Distance = rate x time
d=r x t

Given that in 100 seconds you can normally run 100 meters
therefore we can conclude that:

d = 100 meters
t = 100 seconds

Therefore with the equation d = (r x t) we get 100 meters = 100 seconds x r
where r is our normal rate. We can solve for r which is 1 m/s. We will give this "r" the annotation of r1 to note that it is our initial r

When there is a speed increase, the rate increases
Because it is 33% increase, we now have a new equation

r2 = 1.33 x r1

Using the initial equation of d = r x t
we now get

d = (1.33 x r1) x t

if r1 = 1 m/s and t = 100 seconds
d = 1.33 x (1 m/s) x (100 seconds) = 133 meters

133 meters is the distance someone will travel in 100 seconds

Now if you want to know how long it will take for someone to run 100 meters with the 33% speed increase, you use the same equations and variables

After doing the math and moving around you'll get

r2 = d/t
where r2 = 1.33 x r1 = 1.33 x (1 m/s) = 1.33 m/s
and d = 100 meters

So we now get:
t = d/r
t = (100 meters) / (1.33 m/s) = 75.187 seconds

Using the 33% speed increase, it will take the person 75.187 seconds to cover that distance.

I hope this is clear and makes sense.

Yep, perfectly. So IAS is indeed worded differently than movement speed increase. Thanks a lot.

Sir Tidus · Apr 19, 2008, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

Attack speed is different. It's a 33% increase OF your current attack speed, which would be 1.33 seconds (or 1.5 or 1.75, you get the idea). We're not saying you attack 50% faster, we're saying you'll get 50% more hits in. Number of hits and attack speed is completely different.

Look, that's not the point here. But I just want to make something clear. I understand percents perfectly. In proper English, attack speed and number of hits is exactly the same thing (attack speed should be measure in hits per second, not seconds)! But in GW wording, attack speed actually means reduction of attacking time. I was just wondering if that's how they worded movement speed too. But now I got the answer, movement speed is worded in proper English (distance/time). Thank you everyone.

Snograt · Apr 19, 2008, 02:08 AM // 02:08

I'm beginning to see the light - although my brain does hurt. We're looking at the difference between these two cases, let's say at standard speed you can move 100M in 100 seconds.

Increased speed would be 100M in 100-33 = 67 seconds.

Increased distance would be 100+33 = 133M in 100 seconds.

So, er, what is faster - 100M in 67 seconds, or 133M in 100 seconds?

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Case one is ~1.49 Mps, case 2 is 1.33Mps?

Sir Tidus · Apr 19, 2008, 02:15 AM // 02:15

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Originally Posted by Snograt

I'm beginning to see the light - although my brain does hurt. We're looking at the difference between these two cases, let's say at standard speed you can move 100M in 100 seconds.

Increased speed would be 100M in 100-33 = 67 seconds.

Increased distance would be 100+33 = 133M in 100 seconds.

So, er, what is faster - 100M in 67 seconds, or 133M in 100 seconds?

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Case one is ~1.49 Mps, case 2 is 1.33Mps?

Thank you for understanding! Case 1 is faster. But we are saying that case 2 is true. However, for IAS, case 1 would be true. That's why I kept asking if IAS and movement speed were worded differently (Well, they are actually worded the same but mean different things).

Apr 18, 2008, 01:01 AM // 01:01	#1
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	Question About Moving Speed Increase Is moving speed increase worded wrong just like attack speed increase? Does 33% increase in moving speed actually mean 50% and 25% mean 33%? Thanks.

Apr 18, 2008, 01:16 AM // 01:16	#2
ShadowsRequiem Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Inde is Smoking [Hawt] ToA Profession: W/E	http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Speed_boost Cap is 33% two stances can't be active at one time. The only skill that breaks the cap is dash and burning speed :F Last edited by ShadowsRequiem; Apr 18, 2008 at 01:19 AM // 01:19..

Apr 18, 2008, 09:21 AM // 09:21	#10
Buzzer Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Australia	I tested this and Running a set distance at normal speed takes X% longer than the same distance ran with an X% speed boost. So an X% speed boost means your speed increases by X%. By contrast, an X% attack speed increase actually decreases the inverse of your original speed by X%. This assumes attack speed is measured in Hertz, though Anet seem to use inverse Hertz. This is where the confusion comes from. Last edited by Buzzer; Apr 18, 2008 at 12:34 PM // 12:34..

Apr 19, 2008, 02:08 AM // 02:08	#18
Snograt rattus rattus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST Guild: [GURU]GW [wiki]GW2 Profession: R/	I'm beginning to see the light - although my brain does hurt. We're looking at the difference between these two cases, let's say at standard speed you can move 100M in 100 seconds. Increased speed would be 100M in 100-33 = 67 seconds. Increased distance would be 100+33 = 133M in 100 seconds. So, er, what is faster - 100M in 67 seconds, or 133M in 100 seconds? >< Case one is ~1.49 Mps, case 2 is 1.33Mps? __________________ Si non confectus, non reficiat

Apr 18, 2008, 03:36 AM // 03:36	#8
Konig Des Todes Ooo, pretty flower Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Citadel of the Decayed Guild: The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore] Profession: N/	I do not know myself, but I do get what your asking, and I will tell you that your wording is confusing to many. And if I didn't word things weirdly a lot, I wouldn't know what you meant. But IAS isn't worded wrong, but it can be worded different to mean the same thing. IMS probably works that you move 33% faster, as IAS is attack 33% faster. IAS=attack 33% faster, get 50% more hits attack and hits are the key words, therefore not worded wrong IMS=probably move 33% faster, which might mean that you travel 50%more distance. Someone has to test it, but I think that you would have to do so yourself, just take a stopwatch, and run from Kamadan to Great Sunspear Hall, without speed boosts, then again with 33% faster speed boost. If it is how I stated, then neither would be worded wrong but could also be worded differently.

Apr 18, 2008, 09:47 AM // 09:47	#11
Marty Silverblade Administrator Join Date: Jun 2006	You don't understand percentages. Percentages are always OF something... an increased speed movement gives an additional 33% moving speed OF how fast your moving. Theres a 33% cap, so you won't really see the OF part in that statement be anything other than 100 (using that as an example, just because 33% of 100 is 33 ), or your normal movement speed. Attack speed is different. It's a 33% increase OF your current attack speed, which would be 1.33 seconds (or 1.5 or 1.75, you get the idea). We're not saying you attack 50% faster, we're saying you'll get 50% more hits in. Number of hits and attack speed is completely different.

Apr 18, 2008, 04:55 PM // 16:55	#13
Wirt Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: Conscripts of Ascalon Profession: W/	Ok, you are mixing Percent, rate and time and getting a garbled result. Comparing increased movement speed % and amount of distance are comparing apples and oranges. The 33% increased attack speed and increased movement both cause an increase of 33% in the number of hits or distance that you can do. However after an extended amount of time, due to an increase in 33%, you can double or even triple the amount of hits or distance that you do in comparison to regular speed. Its really a function of rate over time. Dont compare % to #, it will give different results. Compare % to % and # to # over a fixed amount of time. I hope i didnt get my calculus mixed up there.

Apr 18, 2008, 06:18 PM // 18:18	#14
hippo942 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: England Guild: Yes I do have a guild, Thanks for asking Profession: N/	How are we meant to know how long 100metres is? we dont have a tap measure in the game