Assassin Or Warrior? - Guild Wars Forums

Toxage · Apr 19, 2008, 07:24 PM // 19:24

I am trying to decide on a melee character.

What class does better in PvE?

Warriors seem like a damage powerhouse --> Flail, Conjure, Save Yourselves, Dragon Flash, For Great Justice...

Assassins seem to cooler abilities though I.E shadowsteps! I don't know much about assassins, but a quick glance over the assassin forums seems to suggest that MS/DB is the best combo but I have no experience with that.

llsektorll · Apr 19, 2008, 07:26 PM // 19:26

for meta pve versitility and shear power... please be A/X if you don't believe me let me guide you to this thread http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ost&t=10280755

btw warrior dps is not greater than A/D who crits on every hit. The base damage for crit on scythe is 70dmg. They also get enchants that recharge on every crit. The build may look like this.... I rick-rolled factions up to House Zu Heltzer at lvl 17 without dieing.

[Farmer's Scythe][Mystic Sweep][Critical Defenses][critical agility][Critical Eye][Way of the Assassin][Way of the Master][resurrection signet]

TalanRoarer · Apr 19, 2008, 07:28 PM // 19:28

well my advice is go for warrior,
as unless you can sin very well, and people know it..
your not gonna get a decent party as A/x..

Tyla · Apr 19, 2008, 07:30 PM // 19:30

Warriors.
Dragon Slash, perma SY with Dragon Slash, best IAS's in the game, strong inherant armour, strong utility, perma-KD with Dragon Slash.

@Sektor -- Take away the Enchants. And 70DPS isn't as good as Dragon Slash DPS along with the perma-kd and the SY.

Shadowmere · Apr 19, 2008, 07:37 PM // 19:37

if this is your first time playing a melee profession I'd recommend going with warrior, the high armor and lack of dependence on attack chains means it'll be much much more forgiving to learn to play.

Assassin was the last of the 3 melee professions I made, and I must say if I didn't have previous experience with the other melee professions it would've been much harder to get the hang of assassins for me.

llsektorll · Apr 19, 2008, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by BenC777

well my advice is go for warrior,
as unless you can sin very well, and people know it..
your not gonna get a decent party as A/x..

i kick warriors and take sins... atleast sins have a brain.... wammos just leeroy

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Warriors.
Dragon Slash, perma SY with Dragon Slash, best IAS's in the game, strong inherant armour, strong utility, perma-KD with Dragon Slash.

@Sektor -- Take away the Enchants. And 70DPS isn't as good as Dragon Slash DPS along with the perma-kd and the SY.

We are talking about PvE here why would you perma KD in PvE?... lol?

warrior in pve is bad.... all they good for now is maintaining ursan... even then it sucks... Derv > Ranger > Assassin > Paragon > Warrior.... if you are talking about physical dmg imo....

Chaos Rofl Copter · Apr 19, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

i kick warriors and take sins... atleast sins have a brain.... wammos just leeroy

We are talking about PvE here why would you perma KD in PvE?... lol?

warrior in pve is bad.... all they good for now is maintaining ursan... even then it sucks... Derv > Ranger > Assassin > Paragon > Warrior.... if you are talking about physical dmg imo....

secktor is right, if its pve, you just wanna kill fast(go with the sin). and with heroes you can tank like everything with sins because you can bring prots and control their uses to stay alive, etc.

angmar_nite · Apr 19, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Let's change that order to War > Sin = Derv > paragon > ranger.

+100 armor on party = good

perma knockdown on ele bosses = good

highest dps = good.

dicecube · Apr 19, 2008, 10:23 PM // 22:23

I agree, go with sin. My guild held the myth that assassins were squishy front line characters that would get pummeled. So I barely could use my sin on guild runs, and rerolled a necro hesitantly. Ive been playing on my necro for 6 months or so but eventually got very bored of him. So I started playing on my sin again, was lazy to switch chars and brought my sin to ToA. We cleared UW really fast. Now they request that I bring my sin so the rits could cast splinter on me, place MoP/barbs on enemies for awesome nukes combined with the fast assassin attacks = win. Even faster with critical agility =) Added on top of MS/DB spam. Just let the terra tank or 600 monk hold onto agro before engaging and you're set! I recently maxed my SS so it gives me +25 defense if anything, not like I need it at all.

Flawless Predator · Apr 19, 2008, 10:50 PM // 22:50

llsektorll nice build might make A/X myself xD

Shai Lee · Apr 19, 2008, 11:01 PM // 23:01

You'll find that we all have our opinions for/against certain professions. It just matters what you enjoy playing. I'd say play both and decide which you like best from there.

shoyon456 · Apr 19, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Id have to say damagewise, dervs win.

And dont even try that A/D stuff, its a perversion of dervs that needs a nerf :P

But hey, looks like there's too much bias here for me to squeeze mine in. But dervs are more versatile than warriors, and more "sturdy" than sins.

FlamingMetroid · Apr 20, 2008, 12:06 AM // 00:06

sins > wars
lots o' unblockable AoE DPS ftw
perma IAS, AL boost, and block ftw
they look better too :3
+1 lolol

Nightmares Hammer · Apr 20, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

i kick warriors and take sins... atleast sins have a brain.... wammos just leeroy

We are talking about PvE here why would you perma KD in PvE?... lol?

warrior in pve is bad.... all they good for now is maintaining ursan... even then it sucks... Derv > Ranger > Assassin > Paragon > Warrior.... if you are talking about physical dmg imo....

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

Guild: Team Everfrost

Irony... FTW.

angmar_nite · Apr 20, 2008, 12:24 AM // 00:24

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Originally Posted by Nightmares Hammer

Irony... FTW.

lololololol sooo true.

FlamingMetroid · Apr 20, 2008, 01:54 AM // 01:54

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Originally Posted by angmar_nite

+100 armor on party = good

sins can use SY! too

and with no hindrance to their main offense

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perma knockdown on ele bosses = good

[club of a thousand bears]
[moebius strike] recharges it ;3

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highest dps = good.

[moebius strike][death blossom][critical agility]
taking AoE DPS into consideration too, this is better

angmar_nite · Apr 20, 2008, 02:17 AM // 02:17

Won't help when SY draws all the attention onto yourself and gets your wimpy armor spiked to oblivion. A warrior is capable of soo much more armor.

FlamingMetroid · Apr 20, 2008, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by angmar_nite

Won't help when SY draws all the attention onto yourself and gets your wimpy armor spiked to oblivion. A warrior is capable of soo much more armor.

[critical agility],[critical defenses], and I herd monks wer gud

Faer · Apr 20, 2008, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

btw warrior dps is not greater than A/D who crits on every hit.

This is misinformation and I highly encourage that it be disregarded as such. The A/D builds are much more prone to being shut down than any good Warrior build will ever be, and therefore provide much lower reliable DPS than a Warrior.

Assassins are nifty when played well. They are not, by any means, a replacement for a Warrior.

Incidentally, has eF been selling more invites?

fenix · Apr 20, 2008, 03:00 AM // 03:00

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Warriors.
Dragon Slash, perma SY with Dragon Slash, best IAS's in the game, strong inherant armour, strong utility, perma-KD with Dragon Slash.

@Sektor -- Take away the Enchants. And 70DPS isn't as good as Dragon Slash DPS along with the perma-kd and the SY.

uh...did I miss a meeting or something? Perma-KD with Dslash? What?

To the OP;

Warrior is the best DPS class. Further more, has the highest Armor Level. FURTHER MORE, is the possibly best class for spamming SY (arguably) as the Warrior is adrenaline based. But after all that, it comes down to 1 thing.

Frenzy.

If you have SY spam, you can frenzy as much as you like, as Prot Spirit stops damage, and the monks will focus on you, because the rest of the team will have +100al.

Sins are bad, because they suffer FAR too badly if there is any blind or enchant removal. Dervs are bad because they almost rely on a Form, but have low AL anyway. They can be very handy, but War is still better. Paragons are okay, but you would want a couple of them for them for effectiveness.

Apr 19, 2008, 07:24 PM // 19:24	#1
Toxage Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2005	Assassin Or Warrior? I am trying to decide on a melee character. What class does better in PvE? Warriors seem like a damage powerhouse --> Flail, Conjure, Save Yourselves, Dragon Flash, For Great Justice... Assassins seem to cooler abilities though I.E shadowsteps! I don't know much about assassins, but a quick glance over the assassin forums seems to suggest that MS/DB is the best combo but I have no experience with that.

Apr 19, 2008, 07:26 PM // 19:26	#2
llsektorll Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Profession: R/	for meta pve versitility and shear power... please be A/X if you don't believe me let me guide you to this thread http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ost&t=10280755 btw warrior dps is not greater than A/D who crits on every hit. The base damage for crit on scythe is 70dmg. They also get enchants that recharge on every crit. The build may look like this.... I rick-rolled factions up to House Zu Heltzer at lvl 17 without dieing. [Farmer's Scythe][Mystic Sweep][Critical Defenses][critical agility][Critical Eye][Way of the Assassin][Way of the Master][resurrection signet] Last edited by llsektorll; Apr 19, 2008 at 07:33 PM // 19:33..

Apr 19, 2008, 07:30 PM // 19:30	#4
Tyla Emo Goth Italics Join Date: Sep 2006	Warriors. Dragon Slash, perma SY with Dragon Slash, best IAS's in the game, strong inherant armour, strong utility, perma-KD with Dragon Slash. @Sektor -- Take away the Enchants. And 70DPS isn't as good as Dragon Slash DPS along with the perma-kd and the SY. Last edited by Tyla; Apr 19, 2008 at 07:40 PM // 19:40..

Apr 19, 2008, 10:23 PM // 22:23	#9
dicecube Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2007 Profession: N/	I agree, go with sin. My guild held the myth that assassins were squishy front line characters that would get pummeled. So I barely could use my sin on guild runs, and rerolled a necro hesitantly. Ive been playing on my necro for 6 months or so but eventually got very bored of him. So I started playing on my sin again, was lazy to switch chars and brought my sin to ToA. We cleared UW really fast. Now they request that I bring my sin so the rits could cast splinter on me, place MoP/barbs on enemies for awesome nukes combined with the fast assassin attacks = win. Even faster with critical agility =) Added on top of MS/DB spam. Just let the terra tank or 600 monk hold onto agro before engaging and you're set! I recently maxed my SS so it gives me +25 defense if anything, not like I need it at all. Last edited by dicecube; Apr 19, 2008 at 10:40 PM // 22:40..

Apr 19, 2008, 07:28 PM // 19:28	#3
TalanRoarer Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Manchester, England Guild: Gil Worz Is Srs [Bsns] Profession: N/A	well my advice is go for warrior, as unless you can sin very well, and people know it.. your not gonna get a decent party as A/x..

Apr 19, 2008, 07:37 PM // 19:37	#5
Shadowmere Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: The Grim Squeakers [REAP] Profession: N/	if this is your first time playing a melee profession I'd recommend going with warrior, the high armor and lack of dependence on attack chains means it'll be much much more forgiving to learn to play. Assassin was the last of the 3 melee professions I made, and I must say if I didn't have previous experience with the other melee professions it would've been much harder to get the hang of assassins for me.

Apr 19, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15	#8
angmar_nite Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: [SNOW] of [YUM] Profession: E/	.................................................. ................................................. Let's change that order to War > Sin = Derv > paragon > ranger. +100 armor on party = good perma knockdown on ele bosses = good highest dps = good.

Apr 19, 2008, 10:50 PM // 22:50	#10
Flawless Predator Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: HellHole Guild: AbominatioN.EU [AbmN] Profession: A/E	llsektorll nice build might make A/X myself xD

Apr 19, 2008, 11:01 PM // 23:01	#11
Shai Lee Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Somewhere	You'll find that we all have our opinions for/against certain professions. It just matters what you enjoy playing. I'd say play both and decide which you like best from there.

Apr 19, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23	#12
shoyon456 Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: D/	Id have to say damagewise, dervs win. And dont even try that A/D stuff, its a perversion of dervs that needs a nerf :P But hey, looks like there's too much bias here for me to squeeze mine in. But dervs are more versatile than warriors, and more "sturdy" than sins.

Apr 20, 2008, 12:06 AM // 00:06	#13
FlamingMetroid Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: standing on your last control point, while the rest of your team is to busy killing mine Guild: The Luminaries [Lumi] Profession: A/	sins > wars lots o' unblockable AoE DPS ftw perma IAS, AL boost, and block ftw they look better too :3 +1 lolol

Apr 20, 2008, 02:17 AM // 02:17	#17
angmar_nite Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: [SNOW] of [YUM] Profession: E/	Won't help when SY draws all the attention onto yourself and gets your wimpy armor spiked to oblivion. A warrior is capable of soo much more armor.