Question About Area of Effect - Guild Wars Forums

Sir Tidus · Apr 22, 2008, 12:52 AM // 00:52

I'm a little confused about touch, adjacent, and adjacent to foe/target ranges. The two wikis contradict each other on this.

First of all, appearantly there's a difference between adjacent and adjacent to foe/target (you can see this on Isle of the Nameless). How do you know which is which in a skill description? Hundred Blades says foes adjacent to your target, which adjacent does this mean?

Also, is touch range the same as melee range or is it smaller than melee range (this is where the two wikis contradict)? Is touch range the smallest range possible (where you have to stand right next to your target)?

Thanks in advance.

Admael · Apr 22, 2008, 12:57 AM // 00:57

earshot>area>nearby>adjacent>touch

Melee's range is adjacent. It literally means "next to".

EDIT: upon further thinking, I feel the need to clarify between the unofficial wiki's two definition of adjacent. It seems that the range between adjacent to foe is shorter than the target adjacent to you. Since Hundred blades' description says adjacent to target, it just means the monsters next to the target (here's where the confusion comes in because 'adjacent to target' has a shorter range than adjacent to you)

Wirt · Apr 22, 2008, 12:59 AM // 00:59

If you want to know areas effects, go to the pvp isles (you know random arenas, team arenas, zaishen challenge) and go the the main isle (Isle of Balthazar I believe), and go outside. Out there there are training ranges with concentric circles representing area of effect damage. Cast a spell at the central dummy target, and you can see how far out the damage goes.

Try that out, otherwise, in order of closeness, just use wikis description of which is closest, as in adjacent < nearby < area etc. Im not sure if I got the order correct.

Sir Tidus · Apr 22, 2008, 01:04 AM // 01:04

Well, I guess Guild Wiki is wrong in saying that adjacent = touch = melee. But that still doesn't explain the difference between "adjacent" and "adjacent to foe/target." Because adjacent to foe/target is appearantly touch range, and adjacent is actually adjacent as in melee. This is shown on one of the two circles on Isle of the Nameless.

Sir Tidus · Apr 22, 2008, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by Admael

earshot>area>nearby>adjacent>touch

Melee's range is adjacent. It literally means "next to".

EDIT: upon further thinking, I feel the need to clarify between the unofficial wiki's two definition of adjacent. It seems that the range between adjacent to foe is shorter than the target adjacent to you. Since Hundred blades' description says adjacent to target, it just means the monsters next to the target (here's where the confusion comes in because 'adjacent to target' has a shorter range than adjacent to you)

Is the range for adjacent to target the same as that of touch?

kobey · Apr 22, 2008, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Is the range for adjacent to target the same as that of touch?

Touch range is equivalent to melee range and they normally refer to single target. Adjacent refers to "beside" that target. Do take note that adjacent to target and adjacent to you are actually different. Whats adjacent to the target, might not be adjacent to you.

Sir Tidus · Apr 22, 2008, 02:29 AM // 02:29

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Originally Posted by kobey

Touch range is equivalent to melee range and they normally refer to single target. Adjacent refers to "beside" that target. Do take note that adjacent to target and adjacent to you are actually different. Whats adjacent to the target, might not be adjacent to you.

I thought we have just agree that touch range is shorter than melee range. Which is it?

kobey · Apr 22, 2008, 02:35 AM // 02:35

I didn't do much reading on it. To me, the range is the same. eg. Target 1, 2, 3 is adjacent to target 4. And they are within touch range of each other. I might be wrong though. But I didn't really bother with the precision of the definition at the time when I was playing.

Admael · Apr 22, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

Touch is shorter than melee, to touch you have to be right next to them, to melee there can be some distance. Which make sense, since a weapon can extend further than a person's physical touch.

Adjacent to you is different than adjacent to target in both meaning and range. Adjacent to you is melee range, adjacent to target is touch range. And since touch is shorter than melee, adjacent to target is shorter than adjacent to you.

Sir Tidus · Apr 22, 2008, 03:34 AM // 03:34

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Originally Posted by Admael

Touch is shorter than melee, to touch you have to be right next to them, to melee there can be some distance. Which make sense, since a weapon can extend further than a person's physical touch.

Adjacent to you is different than adjacent to target in both meaning and range. Adjacent to you is melee range, adjacent to target is touch range. And since touch is shorter than melee, adjacent to target is shorter than adjacent to you.

Thank you. That's exactly what I need. Though what would melee range from your target be called? Isn't that what fireball does? Would that still be adjacent to your target but at melee range (because adjacent to you makes no sense in terms of fire ball)?

Risus · Apr 22, 2008, 03:35 AM // 03:35

Here is a picture to help explain

Hope it helps! Note this would be a bad situation in PvP as you would have 3 people on you and no help is around

Admael · Apr 22, 2008, 04:38 AM // 04:38

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Thank you. That's exactly what I need. Though what would melee range from your target be called? Isn't that what fireball does? Would that still be adjacent to your target but at melee range (because adjacent to you makes no sense in terms of fire ball)?

Melee range from your target? Why it's called 'adjacent' of course! Just adjacent, not adjacent to target. Because adjacent to target would be shorter.

Fireball doesn't do melee range from target, it does 'adjacent to target' which is shorter, "touch" range. Meaning they'll have to be really clumped up to take the damage. In contrast, a spell like Lava Font (adjacent/melee), has larger range, so it hits both adjacent (melee) and adjacent to target (touch) range.

Sir Tidus · Apr 22, 2008, 05:21 AM // 05:21

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Originally Posted by Admael

Melee range from your target? Why it's called 'adjacent' of course! Just adjacent, not adjacent to target. Because adjacent to target would be shorter.

Fireball doesn't do melee range from target, it does 'adjacent to target' which is shorter, "touch" range. Meaning they'll have to be really clumped up to take the damage. In contrast, a spell like Lava Font (adjacent/melee), has larger range, so it hits both adjacent (melee) and adjacent to target (touch) range.

Fireball
Full: Spell. Send out a ball of fire that strikes target foe and all adjacent foes for 7...91...112 fire damage.
Concise: Projectile: deals 7...91...112 fire damage to target and adjacent foes.

It doesn't actually say adjacent to what. So how do you know it's adjacent to target foe? I was thinking that it means adjacent with respect to target foe (melee range from target foe) but not actually adjacent to target foe, but I'm not sure. Or am I just thinking too much? Maybe it just means foe adjacent to you?

JR · Apr 22, 2008, 09:03 AM // 09:03

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

It doesn't actually say adjacent to what. So how do you know it's adjacent to target foe? I was thinking that it means adjacent with respect to target foe (melee range from target foe) but not actually adjacent to target foe, but I'm not sure. Or am I just thinking too much? Maybe it just means foe adjacent to you?

If you want to get into semantics then no, it doesn't specifically state adjacent to the target rather than adjacent to you. However, it should be easy to assume from the way it is written that it means foes adjacent to your target.

Adjacent to you: Foes stood around you in 'adjacent' range.

Adjacent to target foe: Foes stood around your target in 'adjacent' range.

Oukanna · Apr 22, 2008, 10:00 AM // 10:00

Full: Spell. Send out a ball of fire that strikes target foe and all adjacent foes for 7...91...112 fire damage.

Well to me, that says exactly who it targets....it sends the ball to target foe and the foes adjacent to that target are also affected. Just put some logic into it.

As for ranges, i have found adjacent to be shorter than mellee but longer than touch, i just think of it as next to i guess.

For a good diagram, look up a adjacent trianlges, might find something there.

Wirt · Apr 22, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

Dont read too deeply into meanings of the words. If you are not sure, test it out on the Isle of the Nameless. Compare descriptions of Fireball and Pheonix. Pheonix hits foes adjacent to you on casting, then hits your target and adjacent foes.

Are you writing a guide or something and need to get all exact meanings? Or was it really that confusing?

Risus · Apr 22, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by Wirt

Dont read too deeply into meanings of the words. If you are not sure, test it out on the Isle of the Nameless. Compare descriptions of Fireball and Pheonix. Pheonix hits foes adjacent to you on casting, then hits your target and adjacent foes.

Are you writing a guide or something and need to get all exact meanings? Or was it really that confusing?

No, wrong. Phoenix only hits people standing next to you and your target. Fireball hits everyone next to your target only.

Online Gamer · Apr 22, 2008, 10:13 PM // 22:13

Touch ranged skill means in you are a paragon or what ever there are certain skills like spear swipe or something that you have to be able to touch them instead of normal throwing range

Wirt · Apr 22, 2008, 10:24 PM // 22:24

Ok thanks Risus, I stand corrected. Its been a while since I used Pheonix. But as an example, you can see the wording difference between Fireball and Pheonix.

Hmmm, I might have to hit the Isle of Nameless and try out Pheonix, haha.

Sir Tidus · Apr 22, 2008, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by JR

Adjacent to you: Foes stood around you in 'adjacent' range.

Adjacent to target foe: Foes stood around your target in 'adjacent' range.

Right, but as Admael stated earlier, those two "adjacents" do not have the same range. That's where I'm getting confused. Well, I guess maybe I'll just have to test it myself.

Apr 22, 2008, 12:52 AM // 00:52	#1
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	Question About Area of Effect I'm a little confused about touch, adjacent, and adjacent to foe/target ranges. The two wikis contradict each other on this. First of all, appearantly there's a difference between adjacent and adjacent to foe/target (you can see this on Isle of the Nameless). How do you know which is which in a skill description? Hundred Blades says foes adjacent to your target, which adjacent does this mean? Also, is touch range the same as melee range or is it smaller than melee range (this is where the two wikis contradict)? Is touch range the smallest range possible (where you have to stand right next to your target)? Thanks in advance.

Apr 22, 2008, 12:57 AM // 00:57	#2
Admael Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California Guild: Xen of Heroes	earshot>area>nearby>adjacent>touch Melee's range is adjacent. It literally means "next to". EDIT: upon further thinking, I feel the need to clarify between the unofficial wiki's two definition of adjacent. It seems that the range between adjacent to foe is shorter than the target adjacent to you. Since Hundred blades' description says adjacent to target, it just means the monsters next to the target (here's where the confusion comes in because 'adjacent to target' has a shorter range than adjacent to you) Last edited by Admael; Apr 22, 2008 at 01:05 AM // 01:05..

Apr 22, 2008, 02:35 AM // 02:35	#8
kobey GW Retiree Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Sg Unknown [KATE] Profession: W/	I didn't do much reading on it. To me, the range is the same. eg. Target 1, 2, 3 is adjacent to target 4. And they are within touch range of each other. I might be wrong though. But I didn't really bother with the precision of the definition at the time when I was playing. Last edited by kobey; Apr 22, 2008 at 03:04 AM // 03:04..

Apr 22, 2008, 10:24 PM // 22:24	#19
Wirt Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: Conscripts of Ascalon Profession: W/	Ok thanks Risus, I stand corrected. Its been a while since I used Pheonix. But as an example, you can see the wording difference between Fireball and Pheonix. Hmmm, I might have to hit the Isle of Nameless and try out Pheonix, haha. Last edited by Wirt; Apr 22, 2008 at 10:27 PM // 22:27..

Apr 22, 2008, 12:59 AM // 00:59	#3
Wirt Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: Conscripts of Ascalon Profession: W/	If you want to know areas effects, go to the pvp isles (you know random arenas, team arenas, zaishen challenge) and go the the main isle (Isle of Balthazar I believe), and go outside. Out there there are training ranges with concentric circles representing area of effect damage. Cast a spell at the central dummy target, and you can see how far out the damage goes. Try that out, otherwise, in order of closeness, just use wikis description of which is closest, as in adjacent < nearby < area etc. Im not sure if I got the order correct.

Apr 22, 2008, 01:04 AM // 01:04	#4
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	Well, I guess Guild Wiki is wrong in saying that adjacent = touch = melee. But that still doesn't explain the difference between "adjacent" and "adjacent to foe/target." Because adjacent to foe/target is appearantly touch range, and adjacent is actually adjacent as in melee. This is shown on one of the two circles on Isle of the Nameless.

Apr 22, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05	#9
Admael Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California Guild: Xen of Heroes	Touch is shorter than melee, to touch you have to be right next to them, to melee there can be some distance. Which make sense, since a weapon can extend further than a person's physical touch. Adjacent to you is different than adjacent to target in both meaning and range. Adjacent to you is melee range, adjacent to target is touch range. And since touch is shorter than melee, adjacent to target is shorter than adjacent to you.

Apr 22, 2008, 03:35 AM // 03:35	#11
Risus Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: 56min UW HM post-2/25 I win Guild: FDR Profession: A/	Here is a picture to help explain Hope it helps! Note this would be a bad situation in PvP as you would have 3 people on you and no help is around

Apr 22, 2008, 10:00 AM // 10:00	#15
Oukanna Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: Ancient Shaolin Guardians Profession: E/D	Full: Spell. Send out a ball of fire that strikes target foe and all adjacent foes for 7...91...112 fire damage. Well to me, that says exactly who it targets....it sends the ball to target foe and the foes adjacent to that target are also affected. Just put some logic into it. As for ranges, i have found adjacent to be shorter than mellee but longer than touch, i just think of it as next to i guess. For a good diagram, look up a adjacent trianlges, might find something there.

Apr 22, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07	#16
Wirt Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: Conscripts of Ascalon Profession: W/	Dont read too deeply into meanings of the words. If you are not sure, test it out on the Isle of the Nameless. Compare descriptions of Fireball and Pheonix. Pheonix hits foes adjacent to you on casting, then hits your target and adjacent foes. Are you writing a guide or something and need to get all exact meanings? Or was it really that confusing?

Apr 22, 2008, 10:13 PM // 22:13	#18
Online Gamer Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: HELL!! Profession: D/Mo	Touch ranged skill means in you are a paragon or what ever there are certain skills like spear swipe or something that you have to be able to touch them instead of normal throwing range