khaderach19 · Apr 11, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01

Ok I was doing the norn point farm with the path or revelations quest and i went from r4 to r9 in a day. i was playing with my sin running with two headpieces (1+3(CS), 1+3(DM)). I usually use the 16 dm mask for getting there and switching to the cs mask for the monk boss so my damage doesnt go over 60 and i can ussually take him down solo in about 7 seconds, but with a group of r8-9 ursans is take about 3 minutes.

as for the monk boss. he is mainly prot, so "it" will use spirit bond and rof to heal itself.

spirit bond will trigger on 60+damage. Im assuming this includes any type of damage, including ursan skills. why do people assume that we should only use ursan skills on the monk boss?

if we are all over r6 then all of us will continue to trigger spirit bond with ursan strike, right? or am i wrong?

Miss Puddles · Apr 11, 2008, 03:47 PM // 15:47

i think you answered your own question.
if you are doing the damage requirement or above to trigger spirit bond, then yes, spirit bond will trigger.

boarderx · Apr 11, 2008, 04:07 PM // 16:07

ive found that just beating on the boss he will go down withe the high energy cost of spirit bond and the KDs he doesnt last long, just fight through it, he isnt a real pain so i wouldnt worry about spec-ing the party just for him.

but if you really wanna make it quick then bring stuff like daze, more KDs, encht stripping and crap like that.

khaderach19 · Apr 11, 2008, 05:24 PM // 17:24

its just that i was flamed for using dagger attacks on him while the others are using ursan strike and still triggering spirit bond, just glad to know i was right all along

Antheus · Apr 11, 2008, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Im assuming this includes any type of damage, including ursan skills. why do people assume that we should only use ursan skills on the monk boss?

Ursan Strike does not trigger protection spells. It's like life-stealing.

Ursan Rage however is an attack that deals damage, and triggers prot spells.s the same as toucher, which cannot be defended against, you can only heal the damage.

This is the reason why Ursan is overpowered in PvE.

In other words, when dealing with such bosses, unequip weapon, then keep hitting 1,1,1,1,1,1,1 until the boss is dead.

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its just that i was flamed for using dagger attacks

Correct, daggers were triggering the protection, while Ursan Strike alone does not.

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just glad to know i was right all along

You were wrong.

N1ghtstalker · Apr 11, 2008, 05:27 PM // 17:27

when i was monking and we had trouble i said to one of the eles to use meteor shower on him and the rest of the ursans to get around him to block him in
that's the end of that monk boss

The Meth · Apr 11, 2008, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Ursan Strike does not trigger protection spells. It's like life-stealing.
Ursan Rage however is an attack that deals damage, and triggers prot spells.s the same as toucher, which cannot be defended against, you can only heal the damage.
This is the reason why Ursan is overpowered in PvE.
In other words, when dealing with such bosses, unequip weapon, then keep hitting 1,1,1,1,1,1,1 until the boss is dead.
Correct, daggers were triggering the protection, while Ursan Strike alone does not.
You were wrong.

Wrong, Ursan strike is untyped armor ignoring damage, not life stealing. Prot works against it, armor does not. Ursan strike does hit twice, which means it very quickly uses up the maximum times spirit bond can be triggered (10x). After spirit bond is used up, of course, there is no downside to ursan strike
You are wrong, OP was right.
This is a classic example of why never to listen to what people in a PuG tell you.

Antheus · Apr 11, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by The Meth

Wrong, Ursan strike is untyped armor ignoring damage, not life stealing. Prot works against it, armor does not. Ursan strike does hit twice, which means it very quickly uses up the maximum times spirit bond can be triggered (10x). After spirit bond is used up, of course, there is no downside to ursan strike

Interesting, I always assumed ursan strike worked in same way as life stealing. Perhaps it's just that groups always bring so many that it doesn't really matter.

I tested it on Isle on nameless and also did a quick damage test. Seems that ursan skills without consumables do a little over 50 dps consistent.

Kale Ironfist · Apr 11, 2008, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Interesting, I always assumed ursan strike worked in same way as life stealing. Perhaps it's just that groups always bring so many that it doesn't really matter.

I tested it on Isle on nameless and also did a quick damage test. Seems that ursan skills without consumables do a little over 50 dps consistent.

Ursan Strike @ Rank 10 deals 37.5 DPS (75x2/4)
Ursan Rage @ Rank 10 deals 12.(27)* DPS (135/11)

For a grand total of 49.77(27)* DPS

So how did you get 'a little over 50'?

*=The number in parentheses repeat.

Elena · Apr 12, 2008, 08:05 AM // 08:05

having a lower rank ? :P

Zamochit · Apr 12, 2008, 08:16 AM // 08:16

you just need to time the knockdowns between the ursans, and only use Ursan Strike when the monk Facet is already on its arse so it cant heal itself. It goes down very very fast that way. You are just playing with Ursans who are terribaed at Ursan and spam Ursan Rage on recharge

whateverdude9000 · Apr 18, 2008, 03:52 AM // 03:52

how many runs did it take you to go from r4 to r9?

Rene Saliere · Apr 27, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13

Ursan's Blessing is obviously underpowered judging by this issue.
Maybe ANet should introduce Easy Mode for ursan groups so they can gain their R10 more easily.

Apr 11, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01	#1
khaderach19 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2007 Guild: Our Fun is you Dieing [fool]	Settle this once and for all Ok I was doing the norn point farm with the path or revelations quest and i went from r4 to r9 in a day. i was playing with my sin running with two headpieces (1+3(CS), 1+3(DM)). I usually use the 16 dm mask for getting there and switching to the cs mask for the monk boss so my damage doesnt go over 60 and i can ussually take him down solo in about 7 seconds, but with a group of r8-9 ursans is take about 3 minutes. as for the monk boss. he is mainly prot, so "it" will use spirit bond and rof to heal itself. spirit bond will trigger on 60+damage. Im assuming this includes any type of damage, including ursan skills. why do people assume that we should only use ursan skills on the monk boss? if we are all over r6 then all of us will continue to trigger spirit bond with ursan strike, right? or am i wrong?

Apr 18, 2008, 03:52 AM // 03:52	#12
whateverdude9000 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Feb 2008 Profession: W/Mo	how many how many runs did it take you to go from r4 to r9?

Apr 11, 2008, 03:47 PM // 15:47	#2
Miss Puddles Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California Guild: Shiverpeaks Search And Rescue [Lost] Profession: Me/	i think you answered your own question. if you are doing the damage requirement or above to trigger spirit bond, then yes, spirit bond will trigger.

Apr 11, 2008, 04:07 PM // 16:07	#3
boarderx Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: [PIG]	ive found that just beating on the boss he will go down withe the high energy cost of spirit bond and the KDs he doesnt last long, just fight through it, he isnt a real pain so i wouldnt worry about spec-ing the party just for him. but if you really wanna make it quick then bring stuff like daze, more KDs, encht stripping and crap like that.

Apr 11, 2008, 05:24 PM // 17:24	#4
khaderach19 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2007 Guild: Our Fun is you Dieing [fool]	its just that i was flamed for using dagger attacks on him while the others are using ursan strike and still triggering spirit bond, just glad to know i was right all along

Apr 11, 2008, 05:27 PM // 17:27	#6
N1ghtstalker Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2007 Profession: E/	when i was monking and we had trouble i said to one of the eles to use meteor shower on him and the rest of the ursans to get around him to block him in that's the end of that monk boss

Apr 12, 2008, 08:05 AM // 08:05	#10
Elena Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2005 Location: Belgium	having a lower rank ? :P

Apr 12, 2008, 08:16 AM // 08:16	#11
Zamochit Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: N/A	you just need to time the knockdowns between the ursans, and only use Ursan Strike when the monk Facet is already on its arse so it cant heal itself. It goes down very very fast that way. You are just playing with Ursans who are terribaed at Ursan and spam Ursan Rage on recharge

Apr 27, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13	#13
Rene Saliere Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New Zealand	Ursan's Blessing is obviously underpowered judging by this issue. Maybe ANet should introduce Easy Mode for ursan groups so they can gain their R10 more easily.