Good Long Range Healing? - Guild Wars Forums

KMVRanger · Apr 07, 2008, 07:04 PM // 19:04

First let me say I'm not a "pro" monk by any means. I have a monk char available as a sort of back up if my guild's regular healers aren't available for play.

That being said are there any "good" long range healing spells? Specifically healing that can be cast out of aggro range on a team mate. I typically hang back and just watch everyone's life bar with less attention on the action and the radar (probably not the best practice).

The problem with this comes when a melee gets pulled into the thick of things and so do I because I'm trying to cast on him/her. One reason I never use healing touch even though it heals for quite a bit on my char.

I'm not a 55 monk but I'm running two sup runes so my health is low to start and with even 15% dp I can get taken down pretty quickly if not careful.

So again, are their any healing spells that have greater than average range? They do not necessarily have to be monk skills as I can use just about any secondary on my monk. I'm not looking for suggestions on armor and weapons (unless they directly affect the range issue) just skills.

Thanks.

N1ghtstalker · Apr 07, 2008, 07:09 PM // 19:09

gogo hybrid
only one sup rune on a normal char is the best way
but your best bet for long range is
[skill]healer's boon[/skill][skill]heal party[/skill]

Tyla · Apr 07, 2008, 07:10 PM // 19:10

You shouldn't really use Superior Runes on a Monk at all really. 2 is overkill for ANY profession.

But Heal Party + Healers' Boon gives strong party healing. Same with Light of Deliverance.

Apart from that...nope.

MagmaRed · Apr 07, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

As stated, don't use 2 Superior Runes. 1 Superior Rune at most, with no Major Runes. You simply can't afford the health loss. Heal Party and Light of Deliverance are the only skills that will heal someone not in your aggro range. A good Monk will be watching 3 things. Party box to see health bars, HUD to observe what monsters are in what areas, and the radar to see what where teh red dots are in relation to the green dots. If you watch your HUD (Heads Up Display - or the main screen) you should notice a melee creature moving towards a caster. This is when you would want to use a skill like Guardian, Aegis, etc. to protect them from the damage they will face. If you see arrows flying at your Elementalist, and then see the health bar receive a brown arrow on it, you know that Elem is either Crippled or Dazed. Cripple can be ignored most times, but not Daze. A Monk needs to observe as much as react.

Keeping out of the fray is smart. However, it is not smart to stay so far away you can't heal when it is needed. Unless your team is stupid, a player should always be in range for you to heal them. At most, you will have to move a small amount to reach them with a heal. If you are so far back you can't reach them for a heal, it should be because they went too far, not because you stayed too far back.

KMVRanger · Apr 07, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25

You might want to inform all those 55 monks out there about the multi sup rune thing.

Healer's Boon would work great actually and I already include heal party in my build. That elite would also help "un-nerf" Heaven's Delight a bit. I have 16 Divine favor so I'll have to cap it for sure.

Now only if Boon and LoD (which I have) could be run at the same time...

Thanks for the input folks.

Tyla · Apr 07, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27

You shouldn't really run +1 divine favour headpiece...that 3.5 healing isn't worth the healing you get off healing prayer skills or damage mitigation you get off prot prayers.

Flem · Apr 07, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Also, to negate the high energy cost of heal party, its good to use [skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill] even at 0 energy storage.

This is a good choice for a two monk party, but if your the only healer, this will likely not suffice alone. Hex/Condition removal and spot prot/healing is essential for most parts of the game.

KMVRanger · Apr 07, 2008, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

As stated, don't use 2 Superior Runes. 1 Superior Rune at most, with no Major Runes. You simply can't afford the health loss. Heal Party and Light of Deliverance are the only skills that will heal someone not in your aggro range. A good Monk will be watching 3 things. Party box to see health bars, HUD to observe what monsters are in what areas, and the radar to see what where teh red dots are in relation to the green dots. If you watch your HUD (Heads Up Display - or the main screen) you should notice a melee creature moving towards a caster. This is when you would want to use a skill like Guardian, Aegis, etc. to protect them from the damage they will face. If you see arrows flying at your Elementalist, and then see the health bar receive a brown arrow on it, you know that Elem is either Crippled or Dazed. Cripple can be ignored most times, but not Daze. A Monk needs to observe as much as react.

Keeping out of the fray is smart. However, it is not smart to stay so far away you can't heal when it is needed. Unless your team is stupid, a player should always be in range for you to heal them. At most, you will have to move a small amount to reach them with a heal. If you are so far back you can't reach them for a heal, it should be because they went too far, not because you stayed too far back.

So again what of 55 monks? Someone in my guild runs 5 sup runes on a monk and can solo HM! In fact, a number of my guild mates do. But for me I agree with you, I'm not proficient enough in the class to run a build like that well. Oh and I do know all about daze and other conditions and how to read them. I always carry a condition remover or Recovery (Ritual). I typically play a ranger or a mesmer so I'm usually the one causing the condition. I'm very familiar with their affects.

As for the HUD and radar, I'm usually more aware of the bad guys than the good guys which is why I sometimes get pulled when I cast. Just my bad and I'll need to work on that.

Lastly there is only one "stupid" player I have to deal with (an ell that thinks he's a tank) but we've been friends for years so I don't rez him as punishment if he rushes in and dies.

Thanks again.

ShadowsRequiem · Apr 07, 2008, 07:36 PM // 19:36

Yah you dont even need to run a sup in pve. a 1+1 minor on your head piece is enough.

Long range spells I can think of are Aegis, extinguish (for e/mo secondary) Heal party, LoD, and Heal party:P.

And listen to Flem HP+GoLe is great

55 monk is a 55 monk it only works because of the low HP and the use of prot spirit. This build in no way is going to keep your party alive. This is WHY it is strictly a Solo or Duo Build

KMVRanger · Apr 07, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

You shouldn't really run +1 divine favour headpiece...that 3.5 healing isn't worth the healing you get off healing prayer skills or damage mitigation you get off prot prayers.

Ah, I'm an idiot. 15 Divine, 16 Healing is what I meant.

ShadowsRequiem · Apr 07, 2008, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by KMVRanger

Ah, I'm an idiot. 15 Divine, 16 Healing is what I meant.

thats still way to much........

KMVRanger · Apr 07, 2008, 07:41 PM // 19:41

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

This build in no way is going to keep your party alive. This is WHY it is strictly a Solo or Duo Build

Ah very good point. I'll salvage off the sup Divine then. I'm really glad I posted this question.

KMVRanger · Apr 07, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Ok back to the part of my not being a "pro" monk.

But y'all are being nicer to me than if I'd posted this in a monk specific forum I'm sure.

Chthon · Apr 07, 2008, 08:09 PM // 20:09

1. Normal spell range is 1.2 aggro radii, so you can cast most spells from just out side of aggro range if you're careful.

2. You've got only 3 options for healing from a further distance:

Heal Party (probably +HBoon)
Seed of Life (usually cast on a bonder monk who is taking numerous zero-damage hits through his/her bonds)
Healing Ribbon, cast on an intermediate ally and "bouncing" to the desired ally further out (highly unreliable)

3. Multiple Sup Runes is not advisable for a general-purpose monk. I'd do it on a MM necro because I actually want a low life total; I might do it on a bow ranger since the AI very rarely targets bow rangers; but I really can't suggest it on a monk. 1 Sup Rune (and 0 Majors) is the absolute biggest runes I'd suggest. (And there's plenty of folks around here who will lynch anyone who suggests using anything other than minor runes only.)

HawkofStorms · Apr 07, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45

55s do not work in general play. Your guild mates may be able to solo certain places in HM, but that doesn't mean they can solo the entire game. Any place with enchantment removal = instant death. Constant high amounts of degen = instant death. Any blood magic spells that steal health = instant death. Too many interupts (if not properly countered) = death.

Farming builds are designed to exploit very specific and small spots in the game and do them over and over again for money. The players using them aren't "leet" or anything, they are just using a build somebody else made to get money. Anyone who 55s has two sets of armor, one for farming, and one normal, non-55 set for regular play.

Pyro maniac · Apr 07, 2008, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by KMVRanger

Ok back to the part of my not being a "pro" monk.

But y'all are being nicer to me than if I'd posted this in a monk specific forum I'm sure.

no, not really. If you ask good questions (how 'noobish' or 'pro' they are) you'll get good answers

There are some useful posts there:
This one for example

Granted, it doesn't have got party heal, however the party wide aegis (you have to be in earshout tho) is actually a lot better

BladeDVD · Apr 07, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

The way a 55 monk works is they put a bunch of sup. runes on and have an offhand that subtracts another 50hps from their health. Protective Spirit limits damage to 10% of health, which, because of how GWs does rounding, comes out to 5hp on a 55hp monk. They also have a few spells (mystic regen or healing breeze among others) that heal them faster than they can be damaged.

My point being that the build is specifically designed to take advantage of their lowered health.

In any build you need to weigh the benefits of a superior rune against the cost. And you can't heal if you're dead.

It's important to remember too that the enemy AI in the game chooses targets to some degree, based on HP and armor level. Casters have the lowest base armor, and if you lower your health with superior runes, you just make yourself even more of a target.

If the enemy invades your group, another thing you can do is to kite, or just keep moving around when you aren't casting. They can't hit you as often if you are moving. You can also circle around a tougher teammate (like a warrior) to try to transfer the aggro from yourself to your teammate.

When kiting be sure to not accidentally aggro other nearby enemy groups.

You might also consider speccing into protection spells too. Things like reversal of fortune and guardian and shield of absorption can prevent a lot of damage relieving you of the need to heal it back up.

Sir Tidus · Apr 07, 2008, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by KMVRanger

I'm not a 55 monk but I'm running two sup runes so my health is low to start and with even 15% dp I can get taken down pretty quickly if not careful.

Unless it's for a specific build, you shouldn't ever use a sup rune. The attribute gain is just not worth the health loss. One or two major runes might be ok though. Your health should be no lower than 480.

MagmaRed · Apr 08, 2008, 01:43 AM // 01:43

As mentioned, a 55 Monk is used for solo or duo farming. You do not see a Monk with 55 health working on an 8 man team. If you want to play with a team, you do not want to lower your health very much at all. Monster AI will target you as an easy kill since you have low health. You don't want to be healing yourself, you want to be healing your team. I run a 55 Monk, but I have a set of armor that I use for that, and that alone. I do not use the 55 armor when I am working with a team.

ShadowStorm · Apr 08, 2008, 01:52 AM // 01:52

What they've said is true. You don't need any Sup runes on a monk unless you're running a 55 build. You can still get healing up to 14 with just a minor rune and a headpiece. And if you think about it, the difference between 14 and 16 on most healing spells is only about 10 - 15 HP. Are you really willing to sacrifice 75 of your own HP for a 10 - 15 HP boost? The Difference on Divine Favor is even smaller. Minor runes are the way to go.

Apr 07, 2008, 07:04 PM // 19:04	#1
KMVRanger Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Coast USA Profession: Me/Mo	Good Long Range Healing? First let me say I'm not a "pro" monk by any means. I have a monk char available as a sort of back up if my guild's regular healers aren't available for play. That being said are there any "good" long range healing spells? Specifically healing that can be cast out of aggro range on a team mate. I typically hang back and just watch everyone's life bar with less attention on the action and the radar (probably not the best practice). The problem with this comes when a melee gets pulled into the thick of things and so do I because I'm trying to cast on him/her. One reason I never use healing touch even though it heals for quite a bit on my char. I'm not a 55 monk but I'm running two sup runes so my health is low to start and with even 15% dp I can get taken down pretty quickly if not careful. So again, are their any healing spells that have greater than average range? They do not necessarily have to be monk skills as I can use just about any secondary on my monk. I'm not looking for suggestions on armor and weapons (unless they directly affect the range issue) just skills. Thanks.

Apr 07, 2008, 07:36 PM // 19:36	#9
ShadowsRequiem Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Inde is Smoking [Hawt] ToA Profession: W/E	Yah you dont even need to run a sup in pve. a 1+1 minor on your head piece is enough. Long range spells I can think of are Aegis, extinguish (for e/mo secondary) Heal party, LoD, and Heal party:P. And listen to Flem HP+GoLe is great 55 monk is a 55 monk it only works because of the low HP and the use of prot spirit. This build in no way is going to keep your party alive. This is WHY it is strictly a Solo or Duo Build Last edited by ShadowsRequiem; Apr 07, 2008 at 07:39 PM // 19:39..

Apr 07, 2008, 08:09 PM // 20:09	#14
Chthon Grotto Attendant Join Date: Apr 2007	1. Normal spell range is 1.2 aggro radii, so you can cast most spells from just out side of aggro range if you're careful. 2. You've got only 3 options for healing from a further distance: Heal Party (probably +HBoon) Seed of Life (usually cast on a bonder monk who is taking numerous zero-damage hits through his/her bonds) Healing Ribbon, cast on an intermediate ally and "bouncing" to the desired ally further out (highly unreliable) 3. Multiple Sup Runes is not advisable for a general-purpose monk. I'd do it on a MM necro because I actually want a low life total; I might do it on a bow ranger since the AI very rarely targets bow rangers; but I really can't suggest it on a monk. 1 Sup Rune (and 0 Majors) is the absolute biggest runes I'd suggest. (And there's plenty of folks around here who will lynch anyone who suggests using anything other than minor runes only.)

Apr 07, 2008, 07:09 PM // 19:09	#2
N1ghtstalker Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2007 Profession: E/	gogo hybrid only one sup rune on a normal char is the best way but your best bet for long range is [skill]healer's boon[/skill][skill]heal party[/skill]

Apr 07, 2008, 07:10 PM // 19:10	#3
Tyla Emo Goth Italics Join Date: Sep 2006	You shouldn't really use Superior Runes on a Monk at all really. 2 is overkill for ANY profession. But Heal Party + Healers' Boon gives strong party healing. Same with Light of Deliverance. Apart from that...nope.

Apr 07, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22	#4
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	As stated, don't use 2 Superior Runes. 1 Superior Rune at most, with no Major Runes. You simply can't afford the health loss. Heal Party and Light of Deliverance are the only skills that will heal someone not in your aggro range. A good Monk will be watching 3 things. Party box to see health bars, HUD to observe what monsters are in what areas, and the radar to see what where teh red dots are in relation to the green dots. If you watch your HUD (Heads Up Display - or the main screen) you should notice a melee creature moving towards a caster. This is when you would want to use a skill like Guardian, Aegis, etc. to protect them from the damage they will face. If you see arrows flying at your Elementalist, and then see the health bar receive a brown arrow on it, you know that Elem is either Crippled or Dazed. Cripple can be ignored most times, but not Daze. A Monk needs to observe as much as react. Keeping out of the fray is smart. However, it is not smart to stay so far away you can't heal when it is needed. Unless your team is stupid, a player should always be in range for you to heal them. At most, you will have to move a small amount to reach them with a heal. If you are so far back you can't reach them for a heal, it should be because they went too far, not because you stayed too far back.

Apr 07, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25	#5
KMVRanger Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Coast USA Profession: Me/Mo	You might want to inform all those 55 monks out there about the multi sup rune thing. Healer's Boon would work great actually and I already include heal party in my build. That elite would also help "un-nerf" Heaven's Delight a bit. I have 16 Divine favor so I'll have to cap it for sure. Now only if Boon and LoD (which I have) could be run at the same time... Thanks for the input folks.

Apr 07, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27	#6
Tyla Emo Goth Italics Join Date: Sep 2006	You shouldn't really run +1 divine favour headpiece...that 3.5 healing isn't worth the healing you get off healing prayer skills or damage mitigation you get off prot prayers.

Apr 07, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27	#7
Flem Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: NA Profession: N/Me	Also, to negate the high energy cost of heal party, its good to use [skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill] even at 0 energy storage. This is a good choice for a two monk party, but if your the only healer, this will likely not suffice alone. Hex/Condition removal and spot prot/healing is essential for most parts of the game.

Apr 07, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42	#13
KMVRanger Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Coast USA Profession: Me/Mo	Ok back to the part of my not being a "pro" monk. But y'all are being nicer to me than if I'd posted this in a monk specific forum I'm sure.

Apr 07, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45	#15
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	55s do not work in general play. Your guild mates may be able to solo certain places in HM, but that doesn't mean they can solo the entire game. Any place with enchantment removal = instant death. Constant high amounts of degen = instant death. Any blood magic spells that steal health = instant death. Too many interupts (if not properly countered) = death. Farming builds are designed to exploit very specific and small spots in the game and do them over and over again for money. The players using them aren't "leet" or anything, they are just using a build somebody else made to get money. Anyone who 55s has two sets of armor, one for farming, and one normal, non-55 set for regular play.

Apr 07, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24	#17
BladeDVD Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Hawaii Guild: Clan Of Elders Profession: N/	The way a 55 monk works is they put a bunch of sup. runes on and have an offhand that subtracts another 50hps from their health. Protective Spirit limits damage to 10% of health, which, because of how GWs does rounding, comes out to 5hp on a 55hp monk. They also have a few spells (mystic regen or healing breeze among others) that heal them faster than they can be damaged. My point being that the build is specifically designed to take advantage of their lowered health. In any build you need to weigh the benefits of a superior rune against the cost. And you can't heal if you're dead. It's important to remember too that the enemy AI in the game chooses targets to some degree, based on HP and armor level. Casters have the lowest base armor, and if you lower your health with superior runes, you just make yourself even more of a target. If the enemy invades your group, another thing you can do is to kite, or just keep moving around when you aren't casting. They can't hit you as often if you are moving. You can also circle around a tougher teammate (like a warrior) to try to transfer the aggro from yourself to your teammate. When kiting be sure to not accidentally aggro other nearby enemy groups. You might also consider speccing into protection spells too. Things like reversal of fortune and guardian and shield of absorption can prevent a lot of damage relieving you of the need to heal it back up.

Apr 08, 2008, 01:43 AM // 01:43	#19
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	As mentioned, a 55 Monk is used for solo or duo farming. You do not see a Monk with 55 health working on an 8 man team. If you want to play with a team, you do not want to lower your health very much at all. Monster AI will target you as an easy kill since you have low health. You don't want to be healing yourself, you want to be healing your team. I run a 55 Monk, but I have a set of armor that I use for that, and that alone. I do not use the 55 armor when I am working with a team.

Apr 08, 2008, 01:52 AM // 01:52	#20
ShadowStorm Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Take me where I cannot stand. Guild: The Better Part of Valor Profession: W/N	What they've said is true. You don't need any Sup runes on a monk unless you're running a 55 build. You can still get healing up to 14 with just a minor rune and a headpiece. And if you think about it, the difference between 14 and 16 on most healing spells is only about 10 - 15 HP. Are you really willing to sacrifice 75 of your own HP for a 10 - 15 HP boost? The Difference on Divine Favor is even smaller. Minor runes are the way to go.