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Eddie Frenzy Spam · Apr 30, 2008, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Agree if it would not have been for the way PvE works and specially the chapter the assassin was introduced into, Factions.

One of the main problems for PUG assassins in Factions are the exploding afflicted.
That, combined with people not understanding the role of the assassin and playing it like the movies is what gave the assassin a bad name.
"Yay, me Chuck N / Bruce L. They can't die, so I should also be invulnerable."

A mission where I had a lot of fun playing my assassin before I deleted him was Gyala.
Specially the first fight at the turtles, where foes come from different sides.
Target monk, step in, chain, kill, switch target to next monk.
But that's not how PvE works in general.
Most of the time it's a huge mob that can be nuked when tanked.
No need for an assassin there, there can be only one tank.

You've basically just lengthed what I said in a previous post on this page and confirmed what i said in my last post aswell. Making your post completely pointless.

Apart from the last bit about rangers that is, I agree with you there. It's Warriors that are hardest. There's really no discussion for it.

Painbringer · Apr 30, 2008, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Hardest to easiest IMO

Monk (hard to master IMO Hats off to the good ones)
Mesmer (This is a skillful profession but once mastered deadly)
Ritualist A (Pure Resto build)
Paragon A (Motivation Build)
Sin (good ones are a rare breed)
Warrior (good ones seem to live longer)
Paragon B (Thumper)
Dervish (I would put the really good ones higher but...)
Necro (As long as you are not mindless minion razing)
Ritualist B (spirit pooper/channeling)
Ranger
Elementalist
Paragon C (Shout spammer)
Ursan (any class)

Pleikki · Apr 30, 2008, 04:20 PM // 16:20

All of em Equal but yeah it makes harder to play if you take strange Prof combos and make Good builds for em yourself.

ShadowsRequiem · Apr 30, 2008, 04:29 PM // 16:29

Monk. There are just so many bad people that play this class and think that just using healing breeze will save your life.

Akroma Angel NL · Apr 30, 2008, 05:04 PM // 17:04

hi all my thoughts on this is that mesmer are indeed difficult when playing PVE

but for PVP i think its the warrior/melee or the monks, realy good monks are hard 2 find

zelgadissan · Apr 30, 2008, 05:45 PM // 17:45

For me running mesmer is pretty simple and my favorite TBH, but I also use illusion in my PvE and then when I rarely foray into PvP (or Shiro) I'll switch up to domination. Illusion of Pain + lack of PvE hex removal = win.

To me the hardest is the sin since it's all about your ability to kill without getting killed, I'm not *too* bad at it but any sin I've ever PUG'd with felt that he was our tank.

Edit: I'm actually pretty impressed that the below monk could make it to THK, aren't you? That takes a skill level most have never even dreamed of.

October Jade · Apr 30, 2008, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

Monk. There are just so many bad people that play this class and think that just using healing breeze will save your life.

Yesterday I escorted a guildmate through Thunderhead Keep. There was a lone monk in town who needed the mission, so I carried him along too. This was his build.

[banish][orison of healing][shield of judgment][healing breeze][blessed signet][balthazar's spirit][mending][resurrection signet]

12 DF
9 Smite
4 Heal

Upon first glance, I thought he was trying to 55 somehow. I asked him if that was the case, and he replied that he had never heard of such a thing. This skillbar is his general pve setup.

Sword Liger · Apr 30, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

Hardest?

Shock Axe Warrior doing Legoway in HA.
Seriously you are the foundation of the group there, calling spike counts over ventrilo and calling targets in game, doing your knockdowns at the right moments while swapping targets. Thats sorts out the men and mice right there.

Alex the Great · Apr 30, 2008, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by Murmel

Mesmer... Just to make a good build is difficult <.<

Easiest: Warrior

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Edt: as awmiscool posted below, the look of the mesmer also make my brain take sever damage...

everything is easy in pve.

in pvp warriors are hella hard to play WELL
not that it stops noobs from trying

Celestial_Kitsune · Apr 30, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25

Monk in PvP.

MagmaRed · Apr 30, 2008, 07:35 PM // 19:35

If you read what people have posted, you will see it varies from person to person. Because we are all different in what we enjoy, what we observe, and what we succeed at, this answer is one only you can provide.

Molock · Apr 30, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Assassin is the hardest imo, I have never been able to play it properly. Maybe this is due to the fact that I am mainly TA and RA and the Me/N or necro's that are present on pretty much every team hex me up so bad I litterally can't do anything. I haven't had that many problems playing warrior and ranger is easy for me, it is my main character in PvP... d-shot is just so painful and crip shot is always amusing.

I see many people here are saying mesmer is hard because you have to interupt stuff, well the same goes for ranger. Also, mesmers aren't only for interupting, they are supposed to be shut down so. Honestly, using skills like diversion and shame on the healer's while draining their energy with e-burn/e-surge isn't so hard.. then again I may be wrong :S

Monk is fairly hard, catching spikes in high-end PvP is something that requires time and a lot of practise.. possibly even a fair ammount of talent. Also, you are always going to be the first target and in 4-man teams that really is no fun.

кιωι · May 01, 2008, 08:50 AM // 08:50

Warriors in pve are the easiest, go play some gvg as a war and that opinion will change. I never really got the hang on playing a monk, just not a split second healer

Murmel · May 04, 2008, 09:32 AM // 09:32

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Originally Posted by eddie the reaper

I know I lol'ed, mesmer isn't that hard, all you need to do is tab around and interupt anything important, i.e if your playing offensively stuff like aegis and for defense things like an ele. And no before you all rage at me, I can't play a good mesmer, I fail at interupting =P

By far the hardest class to master and play in the game is Warrior, believe me, ask anyone who knows anything about PvP in the game, and yes i'm talking about PvP, why? Because every class is easy in PvE, it doesn't matter what you run.

A good warrior needs to know when to apply pressure, he needs to know how to apply pressure and he needs to know WHERE to apply the pressure, and all of this things are extremely situational. They will vary in different matches and also vary at different times in each match. Now as well as this the warrior needs to tell THE WHOLE team what to do, and where to go.

Compare that to the roll of the mesmer who just needs to shut down some skills and these normally depend on two things, whether your pushing or whether you being pushed.

You are right that all classes are easy in pve. And I also agree that in PvP warrior is kind of dificult to play... But since I don't play PvP much I haven't erally tried warrior there...

Arkantos · May 04, 2008, 09:55 AM // 09:55

In PvE, everything is easy to play.

PvP is a whole different issue. All classes are difficult in their own way (well, there's nothing really difficult about playing paragon).

Nanood · May 04, 2008, 10:45 AM // 10:45

I don't there is a hardest or easiest. Just more about popular and unpopular.

Squishy ftw · May 04, 2008, 10:50 AM // 10:50

In PvE, I would say Monk. Simply because hero/hench fail at doing big domage and they will take coffee breaks when you stop wanding stuff.

In PvP, every class is hard to play if you want to do it good.

isamu kurosawa · May 04, 2008, 11:35 AM // 11:35

I'd say warrior and monk.

The two most popular professions yet very few people know how to play them proberly. Monks have an excuse because most are made for farming and are only playing to get to certain points in the game.

Warriors have no excuse, bad warriors all say playing warrior is easy and don't realise they suck at it.

Apr 30, 2008, 05:45 PM // 17:45	#26
zelgadissan Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2008 Guild: The Warrior Priests [WP] Profession: Me/Rt	For me running mesmer is pretty simple and my favorite TBH, but I also use illusion in my PvE and then when I rarely foray into PvP (or Shiro) I'll switch up to domination. Illusion of Pain + lack of PvE hex removal = win. To me the hardest is the sin since it's all about your ability to kill without getting killed, I'm not too bad at it but any sin I've ever PUG'd with felt that he was our tank. Edit: I'm actually pretty impressed that the below monk could make it to THK, aren't you? That takes a skill level most have never even dreamed of. Last edited by zelgadissan; Apr 30, 2008 at 06:00 PM // 18:00..

Apr 30, 2008, 04:15 PM // 16:15	#22
Painbringer Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Minnesota Guild: Black Widows of Death Profession: W/Mo	Hardest to easiest IMO Monk (hard to master IMO Hats off to the good ones) Mesmer (This is a skillful profession but once mastered deadly) Ritualist A (Pure Resto build) Paragon A (Motivation Build) Sin (good ones are a rare breed) Warrior (good ones seem to live longer) Paragon B (Thumper) Dervish (I would put the really good ones higher but...) Necro (As long as you are not mindless minion razing) Ritualist B (spirit pooper/channeling) Ranger Elementalist Paragon C (Shout spammer) Ursan (any class)

Apr 30, 2008, 04:20 PM // 16:20	#23
Pleikki WTB q8 15^50 Weapons! Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: ???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]	All of em Equal but yeah it makes harder to play if you take strange Prof combos and make Good builds for em yourself.

Apr 30, 2008, 04:29 PM // 16:29	#24
ShadowsRequiem Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Inde is Smoking [Hawt] ToA Profession: W/E	Monk. There are just so many bad people that play this class and think that just using healing breeze will save your life.

Apr 30, 2008, 05:04 PM // 17:04	#25
Akroma Angel NL Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: [LLL] Profession: W/	hi all my thoughts on this is that mesmer are indeed difficult when playing PVE but for PVP i think its the warrior/melee or the monks, realy good monks are hard 2 find

Apr 30, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01	#28
Sword Liger Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London Guild: Valendra's Kingdom [VK] Profession: W/E	Hardest? Shock Axe Warrior doing Legoway in HA. Seriously you are the foundation of the group there, calling spike counts over ventrilo and calling targets in game, doing your knockdowns at the right moments while swapping targets. Thats sorts out the men and mice right there.

Apr 30, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25	#30
Celestial_Kitsune Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2006 Profession: Me/	Monk in PvP.

Apr 30, 2008, 07:35 PM // 19:35	#31
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	If you read what people have posted, you will see it varies from person to person. Because we are all different in what we enjoy, what we observe, and what we succeed at, this answer is one only you can provide.

Apr 30, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38	#32
Molock Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Qu??bec Guild: Legacy of Angels [Halo] Profession: E/	Assassin is the hardest imo, I have never been able to play it properly. Maybe this is due to the fact that I am mainly TA and RA and the Me/N or necro's that are present on pretty much every team hex me up so bad I litterally can't do anything. I haven't had that many problems playing warrior and ranger is easy for me, it is my main character in PvP... d-shot is just so painful and crip shot is always amusing. I see many people here are saying mesmer is hard because you have to interupt stuff, well the same goes for ranger. Also, mesmers aren't only for interupting, they are supposed to be shut down so. Honestly, using skills like diversion and shame on the healer's while draining their energy with e-burn/e-surge isn't so hard.. then again I may be wrong :S Monk is fairly hard, catching spikes in high-end PvP is something that requires time and a lot of practise.. possibly even a fair ammount of talent. Also, you are always going to be the first target and in 4-man teams that really is no fun.

May 01, 2008, 08:50 AM // 08:50	#33
кιωι Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2008 Guild: [Doom] recruiting aussie/kiwi/euro for HM, PM	Warriors in pve are the easiest, go play some gvg as a war and that opinion will change. I never really got the hang on playing a monk, just not a split second healer

May 04, 2008, 09:55 AM // 09:55	#35
Arkantos The Greatest Join Date: Feb 2006 Profession: W/	In PvE, everything is easy to play. PvP is a whole different issue. All classes are difficult in their own way (well, there's nothing really difficult about playing paragon).

May 04, 2008, 10:45 AM // 10:45	#36
Nanood Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Supermans Crystal Palace Guild: Legion Of The Dark Sun	I don't there is a hardest or easiest. Just more about popular and unpopular.

May 04, 2008, 10:50 AM // 10:50	#37
Squishy ftw Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Your backline Profession: W/	In PvE, I would say Monk. Simply because hero/hench fail at doing big domage and they will take coffee breaks when you stop wanding stuff. In PvP, every class is hard to play if you want to do it good.

May 04, 2008, 11:35 AM // 11:35	#38
isamu kurosawa Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: United Kingdom Profession: Me/	I'd say warrior and monk. The two most popular professions yet very few people know how to play them proberly. Monks have an excuse because most are made for farming and are only playing to get to certain points in the game. Warriors have no excuse, bad warriors all say playing warrior is easy and don't realise they suck at it.