Can I sell My WHOLE account??? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

imnotyourmother · May 27, 2008, 03:53 PM // 15:53

So basically if I wanted to sell it I can not as it is for my enjoyment only. If I want to buy and sell and make RL gold I would simply get WOW or the others and do so there. Works for me.

I just had a thought. I have never played WOW as it would cost me money to play or something like that. Guild wars does not charge for online play.

If doing the same things as on WOW, buying gold, selling toons and stuff would result in my having to PAY RL Money for every second that I played then PLEASE do not change a thing.

I play like min 5 hours a night so that would be VERY bad for me as I would never make that back cause I am in live for Pre-Searing.

Ctb · May 27, 2008, 04:03 PM // 16:03

None of this should be construed as legal advice, it's the opinion of a computer programmer. Don't try to use it as legal advice, don't assume I know what I'm talking about, and don't come crying to me if I give you the wrong impression from my personal opinions below.

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So basically if I wanted to sell it I can not as it is for my enjoyment only. If I want to buy and sell and make RL gold I would simply get WOW or the others and do so there. Works for me.

What it comes down to is this:

You can, but ANET will ban you, the buyer, and other involved parties, and the only way it's getting reversed is if you successfully press a costly, time-consuming lawsuit to nullify the portions of the EULA that they're using to hit you with the ban stick. Plus you'd risk opening yourself up to litigation from the buyer who could try and argue you defrauded them, and from ANET who could try and argue that you damaged their business in some way. Plus there's no guarantee that the EULA wouldn't just be upheld anyway.

You can, but it would be pretty stupid to waste your time and money doing so, so if you have any sense about you, don't.

sixty7velle · May 27, 2008, 04:25 PM // 16:25

It is more common than most people think. I've sold a couple of games/accounts on ebay, and as long as they aren't tied to your plaync account, it's easily done. If the account is tied to the plaync account, then you cannot change the account name (email address), but only change the plaync email. Thus, you will have to sell your plaync account also, so that the buyer will be able to change passwords, contact information, etc.
My conspiracy on the bonus missions were to get people to spend money on the gw store to make them tie their account to a plaync account. Thinking that this would make account changes more difficult than it's worth, people would stop exchanging accounts.
The EULA stuff... well that's just rules anet enforces. As long as you have the right text stating what you are selling and who's property it is in your ebay listing, Ebay will not remove your auction.
hopefully this will help you in getting banned ~hehe

Hodgie · May 27, 2008, 04:25 PM // 16:25

You can, but you can bet your lucky socks that you will get banned.

majikmajikmajik · May 27, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Highly questionable interpretation. Ownership rights trump EULAs, that was already hashed out in a case brought by Adobe against someone who purchased and then resold a number of Adobe products. It's a very small step to then take the argument to "I uninstalled the software, negating the license's full effect, and then transferred the entire thing to someone else".

Not cut and dry at all.

As stated in another thread, this is not a hard and fast fact. EULAs have been the subject of a number of competing interpretations in different districts and in different circumstances. Their enforceability is still highly suspect.

That's their argument, but it's never actually been tested as far as I know.

That's not the same thing. You can transfer the license, in full, from one computer to another, which is what selling your account would be, effectively. Microsoft has terms against that in their OEM agreements, but I don't know if they've ever tried to enforce them and had it tested in court (since it's mostly meant to prevent sleazy builders from using a single OEM disc on multiple machines).

No, it wouldn't. Not even close. One is a felony: theft (and fraud from the other end of the transaction), the other is infringement on IP. One is criminal, the other is not. That's a terrible analogy.

Also, here's an EFF page on "Unconscionability" in click wrap licensing that's particularly interesting:

Unconscionability

Contract law and contracts are not nearly as hard and fast as most people assume them to be. Many, MANY contracts that we're subject to in our daily lives very likely on continue to exist because nobody has yet had a good enough reason, or the resources necessary, to challenge them.

well this says it all, i think they should close this, dont need the same tread every week

tmakinen · May 27, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33

About the enforceability of the EULA and such things ...

GW is an online game. You buy the client and get a permit to access data on ANet's servers. All character and item data are on those servers which are private property that you are allowed to enter at the sole discretion of ANet. Think about your purchase as an entrance fee to an amusement park or a night club. It is not public space, and you have no right to be there other than with a permission given by the owner of the property. The owner can make his own rules of conduct and revoke the permission if people do not observe those rules. You have the choice of obeying, or not using the service in the first place. This is as it should be, so live with it

Phaern Majes · May 27, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by Hodgie

You can, but you can bet your lucky socks that you will get banned.

Lol you mean the guy who buys it will get banned.

EULA may or may not hold up in court, as several have said it depends on the court and the judge really. At worst it would be a civil suit, you getting sued, nothing criminal. But really Anet isn't going to waste money on court fees and what not to sue someone for selling one account. Now if you were selling a few hundred accounts or more than who knows. And lastly WoW does have a section in its EULA stating you can't sell accounts, gold, or items. I just read their EULA last night to see what it said specifically about addons. Whether they enforce it or not I don't know, as stated on the first page it would hurt them more than help them to ban accounts that were sold.

Ravious · May 27, 2008, 04:36 PM // 16:36

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Originally Posted by Ctb

As stated in another thread, this is not a hard and fast fact. EULAs have been the subject of a number of competing interpretations in different districts and in different circumstances. Their enforceability is still highly suspect.

It is a contract. It may not be an enforceable contract. A legal ocean of difference there.

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Contract law and contracts are not nearly as hard and fast as most people assume them to be. Many, MANY contracts that we're subject to in our daily lives very likely on continue to exist because nobody has yet had a good enough reason, or the resources necessary, to challenge them.

Most would fail, IMHO.

Back to OP, you can sell it. The license to use A.Net's resources to play GW is property, and the law really doesn't like property that is unalienable (laymen's terms: not allowed to be given/transferred/sold/etc.). However, A.Net has the power to simply terminate the account prior to any court ruling.... or really even a legal action.

imnotyourmother · May 27, 2008, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Please delete this thread.

I wanted to have some sort of good stuff you explain how much better guild wars is so that I could convince my friends to buy it and join my guild.

This is not what I expected. I was saying to my friends that gw is free and free is always better.. Isn't it?

Inde · May 27, 2008, 04:53 PM // 16:53

I believe his question was answered... repeatedly. Closed.

May 27, 2008, 03:53 PM // 15:53	#21
imnotyourmother Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: in a house Guild: The Knitters Guild Profession: W/R	So basically if I wanted to sell it I can not as it is for my enjoyment only. If I want to buy and sell and make RL gold I would simply get WOW or the others and do so there. Works for me. I just had a thought. I have never played WOW as it would cost me money to play or something like that. Guild wars does not charge for online play. If doing the same things as on WOW, buying gold, selling toons and stuff would result in my having to PAY RL Money for every second that I played then PLEASE do not change a thing. I play like min 5 hours a night so that would be VERY bad for me as I would never make that back cause I am in live for Pre-Searing. Last edited by imnotyourmother; May 27, 2008 at 03:59 PM // 15:59..

May 27, 2008, 04:25 PM // 16:25	#23
sixty7velle Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2007	It is more common than most people think. I've sold a couple of games/accounts on ebay, and as long as they aren't tied to your plaync account, it's easily done. If the account is tied to the plaync account, then you cannot change the account name (email address), but only change the plaync email. Thus, you will have to sell your plaync account also, so that the buyer will be able to change passwords, contact information, etc. My conspiracy on the bonus missions were to get people to spend money on the gw store to make them tie their account to a plaync account. Thinking that this would make account changes more difficult than it's worth, people would stop exchanging accounts. The EULA stuff... well that's just rules anet enforces. As long as you have the right text stating what you are selling and who's property it is in your ebay listing, Ebay will not remove your auction. hopefully this will help you in getting banned ~hehe

May 27, 2008, 04:25 PM // 16:25	#24
Hodgie Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: On A Chair Guild: Rise Of Corruption Profession: Mo/	You can, but you can bet your lucky socks that you will get banned.

May 27, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33	#26
tmakinen Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: www.mybearfriend.net Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: E/	About the enforceability of the EULA and such things ... GW is an online game. You buy the client and get a permit to access data on ANet's servers. All character and item data are on those servers which are private property that you are allowed to enter at the sole discretion of ANet. Think about your purchase as an entrance fee to an amusement park or a night club. It is not public space, and you have no right to be there other than with a permission given by the owner of the property. The owner can make his own rules of conduct and revoke the permission if people do not observe those rules. You have the choice of obeying, or not using the service in the first place. This is as it should be, so live with it

May 27, 2008, 04:49 PM // 16:49	#29
imnotyourmother Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: in a house Guild: The Knitters Guild Profession: W/R	Please delete this thread. I wanted to have some sort of good stuff you explain how much better guild wars is so that I could convince my friends to buy it and join my guild. This is not what I expected. I was saying to my friends that gw is free and free is always better.. Isn't it?

May 27, 2008, 04:53 PM // 16:53	#30
Inde Site Contributor Join Date: Dec 2004	I believe his question was answered... repeatedly. Closed.