Can you get banned...(a supporter for the poster. Acts of racism through scribbles!!) - Guild Wars Forums

Phantom Flux · Aug 04, 2008, 07:17 AM // 07:17

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Originally Posted by Sypherious

I was with a team today and someone was drawing innaproriate images on the mini map. We asked him over and over, he wouldnt stop. No one know who it was, and I reported the screenie. I just want to know if they can get banned for doing this, and if anet can find out who it is, thanks.

Players who scribble inappropriate stuff on the mini maps SHOULD BE BANNED! WTF are people going against you for asking a very importan question.

I'm sick of some racist drawing swatikas on the mini maps. THAT'S OFFENSIVE!!! If Anet is going to allow such things to be allowed, then anet they should be sued for Racial discrimination.

Unlike other countries, America doesn't tolerate racism. We actually have hate crimes and stuff I've seen written in chats and scribbled on map from time to time are considered acts of hate.

Anet the poster has a very good point! I don't understand why the moderator closed that other thread, unless he agrees to allow prejudice and inappropriate sexual behaviors allowed in GW, even if on the scribble map.

The scribble maps are meant to guide players through the game, not offend them.

Agent Mold3r · Aug 04, 2008, 07:18 AM // 07:18

Umm the poster admitted it was him that drew all the stuff.

Phantom Flux · Aug 04, 2008, 07:21 AM // 07:21

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Originally Posted by Agent Mold3r

Umm the poster admitted it was him that drew all the stuff.

Yeah, I just caught that and that poster was stupid. However, I admit, it brought to my attention from time to time some arrogant player drawing swastikas and write FAG on the mini map. That should be intolerable!

Anet should deal with issues like that or it would seem they are allowing in even that way, for players to promote hate.

Agent Mold3r · Aug 04, 2008, 07:36 AM // 07:36

Its a cheap way to bypass the curse filter in my opinion

**Marty Silverblade** · Aug 04, 2008, 08:06 AM // 08:06

It should be bannable if it was meant to offend people, but I don't think that'd be the case a lot of the time. It's probably just an immature 12 year old thinking he's cool. Still, the person should be warned that continuing to do that will get them banned (assuming it was bannable). Besides, if the person who is drawing doesn't admit they're doing it then how are you going to get them banned?

Phantom Flux · Aug 04, 2008, 08:16 AM // 08:16

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

It should be bannable if it was meant to offend people, but I don't think that'd be the case a lot of the time. It's probably just an immature 12 year old thinking he's cool. Still, the person should be warned that continuing to do that will get them banned (assuming it was bannable). Besides, if the person who is drawing doesn't admit they're doing it then how are you going to get them banned?

Anet has the capability of making it possible.

Sypherious · Aug 04, 2008, 08:26 AM // 08:26

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

immature 12 year old thinking he's cool.

Ummm, people that come to this asumption are obviously immature little 12 year olds themselves. Maybe I'm just bored, with nothing else to do then to draw some penises on the map for shits and giggles, nothing more.

strcpy · Aug 04, 2008, 08:28 AM // 08:28

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

Players who scribble inappropriate stuff on the mini maps SHOULD BE BANNED! WTF are people going against you for asking a very importan question.

In this I agree - but then I think that pretty much anyone who is trying to ruin someone else time in game ought to be banned (this includes many other activities people engage in). This bypasses the filter and is worthy of it, just as I would say any attempt at bypassing the filter is so.

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I'm sick of some racist drawing swatikas on the mini maps. THAT'S OFFENSIVE!!! If Anet is going to allow such things to be allowed, then anet they should be sued for Racial discrimination.

That is silly, for it to be racial discrimination Anet would have to favor one over another (and for most laws would have to favor the majority over the minority, the reverse isn't illegal in most places though to me racism is racism). As far as I can tell they just ignore all of it unless there are enough complaints.

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Unlike other countries, America doesn't tolerate racism. We actually have hate crimes and stuff I've seen written in chats and scribbled on map from time to time are considered acts of hate.

You don't understand hate crimes. We have our first amendment rights to hate, and express that hate, as long as it doesn't violate any other laws. That is one can be a member of the KKK or the Black Panthers, express that the other races should all die, and preach it to the world as long as you don't act on it. As far as legality goes everything you mention is protected under the first amendment rules (though Anet is perfectly allowed to ban for almost any reason that they choose as long as they state it up-front). Further "hate crimes" are in a state by state jurisdiction, not federal so it would be difficult to say what you do even if in some states it was illegal to "hate". It is unclear how these laws will eventually pan out in the long term (my guess is go away, they do not really make much since are are *really* hard to prove - the crime originally committed should carry with it sufficient punishment. Murder is murder regardless of it was jealousy, hate on another race, hate on another lifestyle, hate on anything, or just plain random).

Not to mention that hating racists and acting upon it is also a hate crime in many circumstances. I'm sure you feel justified, however so do those other people. I'm not particularly fond of hating anyone though no one has to like everyone.

Elder III · Aug 04, 2008, 08:31 AM // 08:31

Phantom Flux: while I agree with you that such people should be banned, Anet does not have the manpower to watch what every single person is doing all the time. Even if you submitted a complaint, bringing it to their attention, who are you going to be naming for them to "watch out for"? It's just not likely to happen.
The best thing to do is Ignore them. Whether it be an immature kid or a true racist adult, their actions in a game like GW have no power if you ignore them, like they don't even exist. If it really bothers you that much, just never party with anyone that was there that time and you're all set.

HollaBigj · Aug 04, 2008, 08:51 AM // 08:51

Agreed with Phantom Flux. I don't want to make myself sounds like a victocrat or a little bit off the topic, but I wanted to share the experience I had with those ignorants.

Since Guild Wars the guild of the week and Beckett Massive Online Gamer magazine had nominated my former guild Elite Deaf Team including myself. I have received overwhelming number of audism (yes, it's a word and no it's not autism) against deaf people including myself; deaf mute, omfg I didn't know those deaf people play gw because I thought they're too dumb to use gw interface, haha you're deaf and I'm very sorry for your parents to have you, are you American? I thought you're illegal foreign in the us because you're deaf, etc etc. I find it very offensive and unsavory to me, I don't know why those ignorants acting like an internet charlatan gangsta or some ninnyhammer tough wannabe treated you like a shit to make themselves feel better.

I do supports 1st amendment 100%, but I find these words are unsavory. Yes, I did reported to Anet, and they didn't do anything to perma-ban those people due to hate crime.

obsidian ectoplasm · Aug 04, 2008, 08:54 AM // 08:54

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

Unlike other countries, America doesn't tolerate racism.

American isnt racist....? I lol'ed

Harashima Maki · Aug 04, 2008, 09:08 AM // 09:08

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

America doesn't tolerate racism.

Yeah i see your point and agree but America isn't the only country that doesn't tolerate racism.

willypiggy · Aug 04, 2008, 09:12 AM // 09:12

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

Unlike other countries, America doesn't tolerate racism.

afaik this isn't America, its the internet, and on the internet pretty much everything goes.

If you are uncomfortable with a person then it is your responsibility to put them on your ignore list, or if your in a team where people are drawing a swastika on the map (which I am not offended by) or writing words with derogatory meaning (again, I am not offended by) then it is your responsibility to leave that team, ask in party chat (politely may I add) that they stop and if they don't then simply leave, the whole game can be done with heroes/henchmen anyway so you can't really complain about not being able to solo. If you want an example of the internet at its worst (and sometimes best) then check out 4chan's random board, that will show you how unregulated the internet is and that you should be glad not many of those people play Guild Wars.

Nightmares Hammer · Aug 04, 2008, 09:12 AM // 09:12

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

Unlike other countries, America doesn't tolerate racism.

Um... No. In the UK, you get arrested for Nazism, hate crimes, etc. But the American Government supports those things...

The guy above me is pretty much right...

Alex Dimitri · Aug 04, 2008, 09:12 AM // 09:12

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

Unlike other countries, America doesn't tolerate racism.

This is strange cause i could swear that KKK was invented in America, and if i`m correct in south of U.S.A. up until late 1960`s u had places with sign posts NO COLORED PEOPLE ALLOWED !!!

P.S. I don`t aprove racist behaviour, but drawing on the mini map and insulting people just show how lame some people (kids) are.U would be surprised how anonimity+internet=huge amount of a**holes !

t00115577 · Aug 04, 2008, 09:13 AM // 09:13

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Originally Posted by obsidian ectoplasm

American isnt racist....? I lol'ed

I lol'ed too

Yol · Aug 04, 2008, 09:14 AM // 09:14

I may have missed this, but did this happen in an outpost or an explorable? If it happened in an outpost, you could /report for verbal abuse (he admitted to drawing the offensive images, yes?) and send a screenshot to support. Contrary to popular belief, the /report system does work...just not as often as many of us would like it to.

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Originally Posted by HollaBigj

Since Guild Wars the guild of the week and Beckett Massive Online Gamer magazine had nominated my former guild Elite Deaf Team including myself...

GWO?

pamelf · Aug 04, 2008, 09:18 AM // 09:18

Mini map drawings are easy to ignore, and are not in and of themselves malicious often.

The swastika is originally a hindu symbol for peace. A swastika is in and of itself not offensive. It only becomes offensive if the person was saying stuff in the chat to suggest they were drawing with racist intent. That is then verbal abuse and can be reported.

HollaBigj · Aug 04, 2008, 10:11 AM // 10:11

Yol -- GWO = GWOnline [GWO] guild, or what do you mean?

Phantom Flux -- I wish "America doesn't tolerate racism" is absolute, but it never happen for many years. We do have expensively long history of racism in America: Indians (native americans), Black -- slavery, black code, Louisiana written exam, jim crow law and "separate but equal", French, Jewish, Italians, Irish, Asians, and right now we're dealing with middle-eastern and hispanics racism. When the US "introduced" an new race in America that caused people disgruntled with the "new race". It takes a while for them to accept the "new race" and then those derogatory terminologies that used often and racism disappeared.

The best weapon to prevent those derogatory terminologies and racism is ignore them. They will stop, eventually.

Yol · Aug 04, 2008, 10:51 AM // 10:51

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Originally Posted by HollaBigj

Yol -- GWO = GWOnline [GWO] guild, or what do you mean?

Yes...I played with some deaf players from [GWO] a few months ago (nice guys), and wondered if they were who you were referring to.

on-topic - all you can do is report or ignore...one sadly under-used, the other sadly over-used.

Aug 04, 2008, 09:18 AM // 09:18	#18
pamelf Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Australia Guild: Lost Templars [LoTe] Profession: Me/Mo	Mini map drawings are easy to ignore, and are not in and of themselves malicious often. The swastika is originally a hindu symbol for peace. A swastika is in and of itself not offensive. It only becomes offensive if the person was saying stuff in the chat to suggest they were drawing with racist intent. That is then verbal abuse and can be reported. Last edited by pamelf; Aug 04, 2008 at 09:23 AM // 09:23..

Aug 04, 2008, 07:18 AM // 07:18	#2
Agent Mold3r Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: Death Legion Of Cantha Profession: W/Rt	Umm the poster admitted it was him that drew all the stuff.

Aug 04, 2008, 07:36 AM // 07:36	#4
Agent Mold3r Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: Death Legion Of Cantha Profession: W/Rt	Its a cheap way to bypass the curse filter in my opinion

Aug 04, 2008, 08:06 AM // 08:06	#5
Marty Silverblade Administrator Join Date: Jun 2006	It should be bannable if it was meant to offend people, but I don't think that'd be the case a lot of the time. It's probably just an immature 12 year old thinking he's cool. Still, the person should be warned that continuing to do that will get them banned (assuming it was bannable). Besides, if the person who is drawing doesn't admit they're doing it then how are you going to get them banned?

Aug 04, 2008, 08:31 AM // 08:31	#9
Elder III Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ohio Guild: I Will Never Join Your Guild (NTY) Profession: R/	Phantom Flux: while I agree with you that such people should be banned, Anet does not have the manpower to watch what every single person is doing all the time. Even if you submitted a complaint, bringing it to their attention, who are you going to be naming for them to "watch out for"? It's just not likely to happen. The best thing to do is Ignore them. Whether it be an immature kid or a true racist adult, their actions in a game like GW have no power if you ignore them, like they don't even exist. If it really bothers you that much, just never party with anyone that was there that time and you're all set.

Aug 04, 2008, 08:51 AM // 08:51	#10
HollaBigj Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2006	Agreed with Phantom Flux. I don't want to make myself sounds like a victocrat or a little bit off the topic, but I wanted to share the experience I had with those ignorants. Since Guild Wars the guild of the week and Beckett Massive Online Gamer magazine had nominated my former guild Elite Deaf Team including myself. I have received overwhelming number of audism (yes, it's a word and no it's not autism) against deaf people including myself; deaf mute, omfg I didn't know those deaf people play gw because I thought they're too dumb to use gw interface, haha you're deaf and I'm very sorry for your parents to have you, are you American? I thought you're illegal foreign in the us because you're deaf, etc etc. I find it very offensive and unsavory to me, I don't know why those ignorants acting like an internet charlatan gangsta or some ninnyhammer tough wannabe treated you like a shit to make themselves feel better. I do supports 1st amendment 100%, but I find these words are unsavory. Yes, I did reported to Anet, and they didn't do anything to perma-ban those people due to hate crime.

Aug 04, 2008, 10:11 AM // 10:11	#19
HollaBigj Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2006	Yol -- GWO = GWOnline [GWO] guild, or what do you mean? Phantom Flux -- I wish "America doesn't tolerate racism" is absolute, but it never happen for many years. We do have expensively long history of racism in America: Indians (native americans), Black -- slavery, black code, Louisiana written exam, jim crow law and "separate but equal", French, Jewish, Italians, Irish, Asians, and right now we're dealing with middle-eastern and hispanics racism. When the US "introduced" an new race in America that caused people disgruntled with the "new race". It takes a while for them to accept the "new race" and then those derogatory terminologies that used often and racism disappeared. The best weapon to prevent those derogatory terminologies and racism is ignore them. They will stop, eventually.