Asuran Scan V.S. "I am the Strongest" - Guild Wars Forums

Frozen Bacon · Oct 22, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38

If you had to take only one out of the two skills mentioned above, which one would you take (given that both titles are maxed)?

Or in other words, which one would result in more dps?

Sorry, I never went beyond Math 100 in college.

Edit: grammer

**Marty Silverblade** · Oct 22, 2008, 07:12 AM // 07:12

Depends on how much damage you do.

If you do crap damage, +x% will multiply crap into slightly better crap. If you do good damage, +x% will multiply good into very good. You just need to find at which point the multiplication gives more bonus damage than the constant +y.

PS: I find it funny that you edited to fix grammar but didn't spell grammar correctly.

Racthoh · Oct 22, 2008, 07:14 AM // 07:14

"I am the Strongest!" against everything that doesn't take forever to kill. Buffed physicals will be able to kill a target in the time it takes Asuran Scan just to recharge.

Asuran Scan also has the aftercast delay which is annoying. In Hard Mode areas with healers and level 30 enemies I'd consider it.

Luminarus · Oct 22, 2008, 07:42 AM // 07:42

If it was my choice.. I would run with Ebon Battle Standard of Honor instead of either. It buffs everyone around you for slightly less then I Am The Strongest, but lasts unlimited hits (for 20 seconds). It also doesnt go to waste if you change targets (Asuran Scan), and is unremovable.

But out of the two u suggested.... I would go with Asuran Scan in HM, and IatS in NM.

realtalk916 · Oct 22, 2008, 09:47 AM // 09:47

keep asuran scan, works great with discord way, since u can just cast a hex on each target you're gonna atk next

Frozen Bacon · Oct 22, 2008, 10:26 AM // 10:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

PS: I find it funny that you edited to fix grammar but didn't spell grammar correctly.

Hahahha...I guess I failed to mention I didn't do so well in the english department either.

Ebon Battle Standard of Honor

"Notes

* Although the full description says "strike," which would imply it only raises the damage of attacks, this in fact raises all damage done by non-armor-ignoring skills and attacks used while in the ward." - wiki

Does this means that spells like Fireball, Lightning Strike will be affected, but hexes such as Spiteful Spirit and Spoil Victor won't?

Rothan Celt · Oct 22, 2008, 10:50 AM // 10:50

I am the strongest > imo its just better

im pretty sure SS and SV would be but ive not tested it.

AcidDaze · Oct 22, 2008, 11:59 AM // 11:59

i like asura scan but thats probably cos i done have IATS and my norn rank is crap

Zen1331 · Oct 22, 2008, 01:08 PM // 13:08

For my dervish/necro I use Asuran scan and wounding strike with my discord team. The Asuran scan is the hex and my wounding strike causes the condition and the discord team take care of the rest. And if I'm in area's where there aren't too many fleshy creatures I'll take along enfeeble or weaken armor to help the discord team dish out dmg.

Obsidian Fissure · Oct 22, 2008, 01:19 PM // 13:19

Like in some of the above posts, I like asuran scan more cause it goes well with discord way.

TheDragonmaster · Oct 22, 2008, 01:23 PM // 13:23

By the wording of EBSoH it should increase the damage dealt by SS (I haven't seen the numbers myself, but I've been in a team where the SS necro brought EBSoH

), however, since SV is health loss rathe than damage, I'm pretty sure it won't be affected.

beserk · Oct 22, 2008, 01:29 PM // 13:29

Interesting, never considered using IATS, though asuran scan fits perfectly into my DSLASH SY build. Might test IATS out and see which is more fruitful

Tharg · Oct 22, 2008, 02:33 PM // 14:33

would EBSoH also affect the damage done by the minions when you run Sabway or Discordway?

Anime Divine · Oct 22, 2008, 02:41 PM // 14:41

WHY!! not take both

seriously its fun to do 100+damage to 200 damage on HM monsters. use it when i vanquish. granted it takes some enrgy but still just wonderfull if you can kill a monk in 3 hits

illidan009 · Oct 23, 2008, 12:52 AM // 00:52

I use Asuran Scan on my sin...she's only r3 but it help do a shit load of damage using db+ms
Then again, i'd use I am the Strongest on a barrage ranger...depends on the build OP

Tyla · Oct 23, 2008, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Asuran Scan g-g-g-goooooo!

MisterB · Oct 23, 2008, 09:58 PM // 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozen Bacon

Does this means that spells like Fireball, Lightning Strike will be affected, but hexes such as Spiteful Spirit and Spoil Victor won't?

That is correct. Skills that ignore armor don't get the bonus from EBSoH, or at least that is my understanding of how that skill works. All the skills I have tested in the ward follow that rule.

Bonus damage from attack skills ignores armor, but they are still attacks, so they still receive the bonus.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tvalentijn

would EBSoH also affect the damage done by the minions when you run Sabway or Discordway?

Minions are allies, too, so any minion in the ward receives the bonus damage to their attack. Fiends can do some sick damage with that.

isamu kurosawa · Oct 23, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

asuran scan is awesome against bosses, especially dungeon and end game bosses. Its less effective against normal foes in a physical heavy team because things just die too fast.

So to answer your question, it is entirely situational.

dilan155 · Oct 24, 2008, 01:24 AM // 01:24

there are only a very few things that arent buffed by EBSoH, even traps are buffed as long as it does non- armor ignoring damage. so that would be better than both of those, OT however i would go with asuran scan if you have enough nergy to keep using it.

wind fire and ice · Oct 24, 2008, 02:46 AM // 02:46

Depends on what your doing-high armor/very durable foes=asuran scan,every thing else=IATS.

Oct 22, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38	#1
Frozen Bacon Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2008	Asuran Scan V.S. "I am the Strongest" If you had to take only one out of the two skills mentioned above, which one would you take (given that both titles are maxed)? Or in other words, which one would result in more dps? Sorry, I never went beyond Math 100 in college. Edit: grammer

Oct 22, 2008, 07:12 AM // 07:12	#2
Marty Silverblade Administrator Join Date: Jun 2006	Depends on how much damage you do. If you do crap damage, +x% will multiply crap into slightly better crap. If you do good damage, +x% will multiply good into very good. You just need to find at which point the multiplication gives more bonus damage than the constant +y. PS: I find it funny that you edited to fix grammar but didn't spell grammar correctly. __________________

Oct 24, 2008, 01:24 AM // 01:24	#19
dilan155 Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2007 Location: living room Profession: N/	there are only a very few things that arent buffed by EBSoH, even traps are buffed as long as it does non- armor ignoring damage. so that would be better than both of those, OT however i would go with asuran scan if you have enough nergy to keep using it. Last edited by dilan155; Oct 26, 2008 at 08:59 PM // 20:59..

Oct 22, 2008, 07:14 AM // 07:14	#3
Racthoh Did I hear 7 heroes? Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)	"I am the Strongest!" against everything that doesn't take forever to kill. Buffed physicals will be able to kill a target in the time it takes Asuran Scan just to recharge. Asuran Scan also has the aftercast delay which is annoying. In Hard Mode areas with healers and level 30 enemies I'd consider it.

Oct 22, 2008, 07:42 AM // 07:42	#4
Luminarus Furnace Stoker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Guild: Haze of Light [pure] Profession: R/	If it was my choice.. I would run with Ebon Battle Standard of Honor instead of either. It buffs everyone around you for slightly less then I Am The Strongest, but lasts unlimited hits (for 20 seconds). It also doesnt go to waste if you change targets (Asuran Scan), and is unremovable. But out of the two u suggested.... I would go with Asuran Scan in HM, and IatS in NM.

Oct 22, 2008, 09:47 AM // 09:47	#5
realtalk916 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: California Guild: Reign Of Judgment [RoJ] Profession: W/E	keep asuran scan, works great with discord way, since u can just cast a hex on each target you're gonna atk next

Oct 22, 2008, 10:50 AM // 10:50	#7
Rothan Celt Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2008 Guild: Aura Profession: Mo/R	I am the strongest > imo its just better im pretty sure SS and SV would be but ive not tested it.

Oct 22, 2008, 11:59 AM // 11:59	#8
AcidDaze Academy Page Join Date: Jan 2008 Guild: EKSF Profession: E/Me	i like asura scan but thats probably cos i done have IATS and my norn rank is crap

Oct 22, 2008, 01:08 PM // 13:08	#9
Zen1331 Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Guild: Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] Profession: N/	For my dervish/necro I use Asuran scan and wounding strike with my discord team. The Asuran scan is the hex and my wounding strike causes the condition and the discord team take care of the rest. And if I'm in area's where there aren't too many fleshy creatures I'll take along enfeeble or weaken armor to help the discord team dish out dmg.

Oct 22, 2008, 01:19 PM // 13:19	#10
Obsidian Fissure Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: Quality Rage [qR] Profession: W/	Like in some of the above posts, I like asuran scan more cause it goes well with discord way.

Oct 22, 2008, 01:23 PM // 13:23	#11
TheDragonmaster Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2008 Profession: R/	By the wording of EBSoH it should increase the damage dealt by SS (I haven't seen the numbers myself, but I've been in a team where the SS necro brought EBSoH ), however, since SV is health loss rathe than damage, I'm pretty sure it won't be affected.

Oct 22, 2008, 01:29 PM // 13:29	#12
beserk Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2008 Location: UK Profession: W/	Interesting, never considered using IATS, though asuran scan fits perfectly into my DSLASH SY build. Might test IATS out and see which is more fruitful

Oct 22, 2008, 02:33 PM // 14:33	#13
Tharg Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Massachusetts Guild: Omega Glory Profession: Mo/	would EBSoH also affect the damage done by the minions when you run Sabway or Discordway?

Oct 22, 2008, 02:41 PM // 14:41	#14
Anime Divine Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2007 Profession: W/	WHY!! not take both seriously its fun to do 100+damage to 200 damage on HM monsters. use it when i vanquish. granted it takes some enrgy but still just wonderfull if you can kill a monk in 3 hits

Oct 23, 2008, 12:52 AM // 00:52	#15
illidan009 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2008 Location: Volterra, Italy Profession: A/	I use Asuran Scan on my sin...she's only r3 but it help do a shit load of damage using db+ms Then again, i'd use I am the Strongest on a barrage ranger...depends on the build OP

Oct 23, 2008, 09:04 PM // 21:04	#16
Tyla Emo Goth Italics Join Date: Sep 2006	Asuran Scan g-g-g-goooooo!

Oct 23, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12	#18
isamu kurosawa Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: United Kingdom Profession: Me/	asuran scan is awesome against bosses, especially dungeon and end game bosses. Its less effective against normal foes in a physical heavy team because things just die too fast. So to answer your question, it is entirely situational.

Oct 24, 2008, 02:46 AM // 02:46	#20
wind fire and ice Jungle Guide Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: There Guild: [ToA]	Depends on what your doing-high armor/very durable foes=asuran scan,every thing else=IATS.