Raptor Farming: Leechers? - Guild Wars Forums

Darkobra · Oct 10, 2008, 09:44 AM // 09:44

In Rata Sum, I'm seeing a lot of people ask for leechers to join them on raptor farming. When I asked them why, they claimed that it got them better gold drops and the leeches got Asuran points in return.

Now, I think they're talking out of the wrong end of their bodies, but I'm also curious. Is there any truth to this at all?

Iuris · Oct 10, 2008, 10:12 AM // 10:12

Depending upon arrangements.

Due to Loot scaling, it's hardy a loss in the proportion of drops, while it benefits the group by increasing the total drop numbers. Perhaps the deal is that the leecher gives up the drops and only gets faction?

kratimas · Oct 10, 2008, 10:22 AM // 10:22

I think you best bet would be to join a group or two as a leecher and see.

manitoba1073 · Oct 10, 2008, 10:53 AM // 10:53

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

In Rata Sum, I'm seeing a lot of people ask for leechers to join them on raptor farming. When I asked them why, they claimed that it got them better gold drops and the leeches got Asuran points in return.

Now, I think they're talking out of the wrong end of their bodies, but I'm also curious. Is there any truth to this at all?

No there is no truth to it. Infact they lose gold as it is shared between the whole party whether or not they are out of range. When party members are blacked out IE out of range the drops are the same as if you enter the instance solo.

R4nd0m · Oct 10, 2008, 11:57 AM // 11:57

It IS true.

I have run a lot of Raptorfarming with my E/Me and the loot IS increasing with full party. The group stays up at the shrine and get Asura rep points, but no xp or loot due to the distance from the kill.

I have tried going solo as well, but there is a huge difference in the droprate.
Better to take on leechers that can suck up som Asura reps as I get their loot.

So yes, it DOES work!

imnotyourmother · Oct 10, 2008, 12:40 PM // 12:40

Well if you are the one killing things and they are off the radar then I fully agree with the statement above. I have also found that if I run missions solo I get way more drops then if I was to kill the same baddies in an explorable area.

Furthermore, my findings are that the "collectable item" that the baddies drop that I am seeking to stockpile are dropped more often in missons that in explorable areas.

MagmaRed · Oct 10, 2008, 12:44 PM // 12:44

Funny thing is, hero+hench do the same thing as people, but don't take time to find. Might be plenty of people looking to leech, but it takes time to add them all. Then you have to make sure they know what they need to do, or they come running into the cave with you. Hero+hench affect loot scaling the same way real people do, and they obey their flags, join when asked, and don't complain about your build.

Never tried it myself, so I don't know if it works. However, I wouldn't expect it to be any different. People claim it is, who do the farm though, so I either think they lie, or are correct.

Rhamia Darigaz · Oct 10, 2008, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

People claim it is, who do the farm though, so I either think they lie, or are correct.

or dumb enough to think their limited personal experience can tell them anything conclusive about how a full out-of-range party affects drop rates.

Tom Swift · Oct 10, 2008, 01:44 PM // 13:44

I really don't know if it works with the raptors or not but I do know that in pre-searing if I go north of the wall alone a little more than half the charrs drop something but if I have my 2nd account with me and leave him by the gate then I get nearly 100% drops.

The idea is supposed to be the same, that drops are triggered for a full party but are not assigned to the people who are off the radar.

However, it has been pretty convincingly shown that killing things very rapidly also limits drops and since you are killing 30+ in less than a minute I would strongly doubt there is much difference with a full party vs solo. (and in my experience there is not enough of a difference to notice) And even if it does, most of the difference would be in the amount of white and blue junk that I don't usually bother to pick up anyway (I want points or holiday items, neither of which is affected by loot scaling, and stopping to merch every 5 runs is a real pain).

However, giving free points is a nice thing to do and killing raptors all alone can get boring so its sometimes nice to have some conversation going on.

Shasgaliel · Oct 10, 2008, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

or dumb enough to think their limited personal experience can tell them anything conclusive about how a full out-of-range party affects drop rates.

Have a look at farming section on this forum. Many people found a lot of valuable rules behind loot scaling etc on the basis of several repetitive tries on raptor farm and not only there. You can find there quite excessive studies made with some basic statistical knowledge and logical thinking put into practice. I would not discredit their effort since their observations match the facts perfectly. Actually have you ever heard the term statistics?

wind fire and ice · Oct 10, 2008, 03:21 PM // 15:21

Because its nice,and the chat keeps you awake,oh and the fact that its almost double the cash..that kinda helps too.

CagedinSanity · Oct 10, 2008, 03:54 PM // 15:54

I personally don't take leechers. They slow me down. In the time it takes to get a small group of them, a runner could have done 4 runs.

Personally I think the time/cash balance and/or sacrifice is worth it.
My current record is 4 golds in one run with no leechers. Not bad in my opinion. I rarely see anyone get more than that. And I've been a leecher before on other characters.

GODh · Oct 10, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by R4nd0m

It IS true.

I have run a lot of Raptorfarming with my E/Me and the loot IS increasing with full party. The group stays up at the shrine and get Asura rep points, but no xp or loot due to the distance from the kill.

I have tried going solo as well, but there is a huge difference in the droprate.
Better to take on leechers that can suck up som Asura reps as I get their loot.

So yes, it DOES work!

What if you take heroes and hench and flag them at the shrine??

R4nd0m · Oct 10, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by GODh

What if you take heroes and hench and flag them at the shrine??

Here is the thing...

If u go out ALONE, mobs will only drop 1/8 of the total loot.
If u go out with ONE party member, mobs will drop 2/8 of the total loot...

Same goes for gold COINS...

So if a party of 8 goes out, mobs will drop FULL 8/8 loot for the whole party.

If the farmer get out of radar range of his little buddies, 8/8 loot will drop at his feet IF his little buddies are HUMAN players.

If his little buddies are HEROES, the hero part of the loot will be magically transported into the pockets of forementioned little heroes...

So taking a party of 8 HUMAN players increase the LOOT, the GOLD COINS and the chance of UNIDENTIFIED GOLD ITEMS...

Everyone up to speed???

It is GOOD tp play with 8/8 HUUUUMANS

It is BAD to play with HEEEROES
It is BAD to play ALOOOOONE...

So MagmaRed, can u hear me on the back row in the classroom? U need to put on ur finest suite and go out and find REAL players to farm with... As they get Asura rep pts, the will not only thank you, the will be happy

Who knows, if ur lucky, one of them just MIGHT be a REAL girl

joshuarodger · Oct 10, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by R4nd0m

a lot of stuff he can't prove

listen, i'm not saying you're not right, but until you can give a source other than your own experience you shouldn't claim a theory is fact. there have been multiple threads that discuss loot scaling and the effects of a full party vs. solo farming and the only conclusive thing that can be gained from them is no one knows for sure. the same thing holds true in relation to a mainly AI party and a full human one.

buzzerman · Oct 10, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by R4nd0m

If the farmer get out of radar range of his little buddies, 8/8 loot will drop at his feet IF his little buddies are HUMAN players.

If his little buddies are HEROES, the hero part of the loot will be magically transported into the pockets of forementioned little heroes...

Do you have any reliable source or solid empirical evidence backing these assertions? If the heroes are out of compass range (just like the human players typically are for this raptor farm) why would the loot be "transported" into their [non-existing] pockets instead of also "dropping at the feet" of the farmer? Doesn't make much sense really.

Perhaps what you are trying to say is that the loot scaling is not based on the party size, but based on the number of human players in the party. This would make more sense IMO.. But at this point I am not convinced that somebody really tested -- in a statistically significant manner -- that taking human leechers instead of H/H really makes a difference in the amount of [ scalable ] loot getting assigned to the farmer..

Striken7 · Oct 10, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by R4nd0m

Here is the thing...

If u go out ALONE, mobs will only drop 1/8 of the total loot.
If u go out with ONE party member, mobs will drop 2/8 of the total loot...

Same goes for gold COINS...

So if a party of 8 goes out, mobs will drop FULL 8/8 loot for the whole party.

If the farmer get out of radar range of his little buddies, 8/8 loot will drop at his feet IF his little buddies are HUMAN players.

If his little buddies are HEROES, the hero part of the loot will be magically transported into the pockets of forementioned little heroes...

So taking a party of 8 HUMAN players increase the LOOT, the GOLD COINS and the chance of UNIDENTIFIED GOLD ITEMS

It is so wrong, it's funny.

But I'm pretty sure this post is a joke, so theres not point trying to correct it.

jackinthe · Oct 10, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09

wow so many different opinions. guess imma just have to findout for maself :/

Dante the Warlord · Oct 10, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

Well leech farming isn't for drops, in terms of gold, its mostly for speed. Since farmers don't want to travel back if they can just get someone to port back to Rata Sum it saves them time and time is money.

Pae · Oct 10, 2008, 08:06 PM // 20:06

Resigning is pretty fast too :P. If you want to make sure that you're close to the entrance, zone out, back in, resign, and gogo.

Oct 10, 2008, 09:44 AM // 09:44	#1
Darkobra Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scotland Guild: Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot Profession: E/Me	Raptor Farming: Leechers? In Rata Sum, I'm seeing a lot of people ask for leechers to join them on raptor farming. When I asked them why, they claimed that it got them better gold drops and the leeches got Asuran points in return. Now, I think they're talking out of the wrong end of their bodies, but I'm also curious. Is there any truth to this at all?

Oct 10, 2008, 01:44 PM // 13:44	#9
Tom Swift Jungle Guide Join Date: Aug 2007	I really don't know if it works with the raptors or not but I do know that in pre-searing if I go north of the wall alone a little more than half the charrs drop something but if I have my 2nd account with me and leave him by the gate then I get nearly 100% drops. The idea is supposed to be the same, that drops are triggered for a full party but are not assigned to the people who are off the radar. However, it has been pretty convincingly shown that killing things very rapidly also limits drops and since you are killing 30+ in less than a minute I would strongly doubt there is much difference with a full party vs solo. (and in my experience there is not enough of a difference to notice) And even if it does, most of the difference would be in the amount of white and blue junk that I don't usually bother to pick up anyway (I want points or holiday items, neither of which is affected by loot scaling, and stopping to merch every 5 runs is a real pain). However, giving free points is a nice thing to do and killing raptors all alone can get boring so its sometimes nice to have some conversation going on. Last edited by Tom Swift; Oct 10, 2008 at 01:51 PM // 13:51..

Oct 10, 2008, 10:12 AM // 10:12	#2
Iuris Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Crazy ducks from the Forest Profession: W/	Depending upon arrangements. Due to Loot scaling, it's hardy a loss in the proportion of drops, while it benefits the group by increasing the total drop numbers. Perhaps the deal is that the leecher gives up the drops and only gets faction?

Oct 10, 2008, 10:22 AM // 10:22	#3
kratimas Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Order of the Setting Sun Profession: R/	I think you best bet would be to join a group or two as a leecher and see.

Oct 10, 2008, 11:57 AM // 11:57	#5
R4nd0m Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The European Union	It IS true. I have run a lot of Raptorfarming with my E/Me and the loot IS increasing with full party. The group stays up at the shrine and get Asura rep points, but no xp or loot due to the distance from the kill. I have tried going solo as well, but there is a huge difference in the droprate. Better to take on leechers that can suck up som Asura reps as I get their loot. So yes, it DOES work!

Oct 10, 2008, 12:40 PM // 12:40	#6
imnotyourmother Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: in a house Guild: The Knitters Guild Profession: W/R	Well if you are the one killing things and they are off the radar then I fully agree with the statement above. I have also found that if I run missions solo I get way more drops then if I was to kill the same baddies in an explorable area. Furthermore, my findings are that the "collectable item" that the baddies drop that I am seeking to stockpile are dropped more often in missons that in explorable areas.

Oct 10, 2008, 12:44 PM // 12:44	#7
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	Funny thing is, hero+hench do the same thing as people, but don't take time to find. Might be plenty of people looking to leech, but it takes time to add them all. Then you have to make sure they know what they need to do, or they come running into the cave with you. Hero+hench affect loot scaling the same way real people do, and they obey their flags, join when asked, and don't complain about your build. Never tried it myself, so I don't know if it works. However, I wouldn't expect it to be any different. People claim it is, who do the farm though, so I either think they lie, or are correct.

Oct 10, 2008, 03:21 PM // 15:21	#11
wind fire and ice Jungle Guide Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: There Guild: [ToA]	Because its nice,and the chat keeps you awake,oh and the fact that its almost double the cash..that kinda helps too.

Oct 10, 2008, 03:54 PM // 15:54	#12
CagedinSanity Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Away from you. Profession: W/	I personally don't take leechers. They slow me down. In the time it takes to get a small group of them, a runner could have done 4 runs. Personally I think the time/cash balance and/or sacrifice is worth it. My current record is 4 golds in one run with no leechers. Not bad in my opinion. I rarely see anyone get more than that. And I've been a leecher before on other characters.

Oct 10, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09	#18
jackinthe Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2007	wow so many different opinions. guess imma just have to findout for maself :/

Oct 10, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22	#19
Dante the Warlord Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: W/R	Well leech farming isn't for drops, in terms of gold, its mostly for speed. Since farmers don't want to travel back if they can just get someone to port back to Rata Sum it saves them time and time is money.

Oct 10, 2008, 08:06 PM // 20:06	#20
Pae Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2005	Resigning is pretty fast too :P. If you want to make sure that you're close to the entrance, zone out, back in, resign, and gogo.