Weapon Requirements and Damage - Guild Wars Forums

aubray1741 · Apr 17, 2009, 05:13 AM // 05:13

Is there any definitive research that weapons with max damage and lower than req9 do more damage? Is there any difference in damage if you meet the requirement for both a max damage req9 or req12 weapon? (I want screenshots, charts, etc. proving it if you say "yes").

Common sense tells me "no", but some players vehemently claim that lower req weapons do more damage or that "someone had a thread somewhere about it, but I can't find it".

snaek · Apr 17, 2009, 05:21 AM // 05:21

no

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Antares Ascending · Apr 17, 2009, 05:36 AM // 05:36

A lower req weapon will do max damage sooner but once min is reached there is no dif. I thought for sure a req 8 would do more damage than a req 9 at 12 attribute but nope..same damage. Check it out on Great temple of balth damage area.

MisterB · Apr 17, 2009, 05:45 AM // 05:45

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10027353

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Weapon#Linked_attribute

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Requirement

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Damage_calculation

The thread at the top is the linked thread in the Q&A FAQ sticky at the top.

Gift3d · Apr 17, 2009, 06:17 AM // 06:17

weapon damage more or less depends on your overall weapon mastery attribute
like say you have a req9 sword and a req13 sword but you're running 14 sword -- they'll both do the same damage
but like ascending said you'll just be able to reap the max damage from the weapon with a lower attribute from a lower req weapon

Archress Shayleigh · Apr 17, 2009, 09:44 AM // 09:44

no. a q9 and q13 wand would do the same damage IF you have the requirements.

kupp · Apr 17, 2009, 11:17 AM // 11:17

A req. 9 sword with a req. 9 in your attributes will do LESS damage than the same sword with a req. 12 Swordsmanship but beyond that you won't gain much benefit. That's what I gatter from the wiki:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Damage_calculation

Stop The Storm · Apr 17, 2009, 11:39 AM // 11:39

basically aslong as you meet the requirement, they will all do the same damage and it will only increase as you raise your swordsmanship attribute points, NOT your weapon requirement

Improvavel · Apr 17, 2009, 02:00 PM // 14:00

In conclusion lower req weapons are more expensive because of epenis status (they drop less often than higher req ones though) not efficiency.

The only thing to consider is the chance you might suffer from weakness. But req 11/12 weapons should be safe all time (and even req 13 should be adequate for general PvE and PvP).

Skyy High · Apr 17, 2009, 02:22 PM // 14:22

No, no, and no again. This has been answered so many times already; the only reason I can think of for the continued "confusion" is people spreading the rumor that lower req = more damage so they can sell their req9s for higher prices.

TheodenKing · Apr 17, 2009, 03:30 PM // 15:30

The effect of Weakness should be taken into account when choosing your weapon. Other than that, the value of low-req weapons relates to rarity, not utility. I didn't take screenies, but I did spend some time with Master of Damage in our high-tech weapons lab.

Everything I stated is true (except for the weapons lab). :-P

Rhamia Darigaz · Apr 17, 2009, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by kupp

A req. 9 sword with a req. 9 in your attributes will do LESS damage than the same sword with a req. 12 Swordsmanship but beyond that you won't gain much benefit. That's what I gatter from the wiki:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Damage_calculation

if you had used the word "req." 2 times fewer your post would make sense and be correct.
as it is i can't tell what you're trying to say - particularly whether by "the same sword with a req. 12 swordsmanship" you mean the same req. 9 sword but with 12 in the attribute or the same sword other than that it requires 12 swordsmanship; the difference is pretty significant in determining whether you know what you're talking about or not.

assuming your post is correct and only poorly written, it still doesn't really answer OP's question. he asked if, for example, a req 9 sword would do more damage than a req 12 sword if a character has 14 swordsmanship. (the answer is no btw). you told him that a req 9 sword will do more damage with 12 swordsmanship than with 9 - not quite on topic.

to the OP, the link in kupp's post explains damage calculation very well; i suggest you read it if you have questions about damage calculation.

Loki Seiguro · Apr 18, 2009, 02:08 AM // 02:08

don't demand that we give you charts and what not.

And yes use your gamer instincts, a lower req means you can get max dmg oout of weapons sooner and with less skill points in it.

kupp · Apr 18, 2009, 12:06 PM // 12:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

if you had used the word "req." 2 times fewer your post would make sense and be correct.
as it is i can't tell what you're trying to say - particularly whether by "the same sword with a req. 12 swordsmanship" you mean the same req. 9 sword but with 12 in the attribute or the same sword other than that it requires 12 swordsmanship; the difference is pretty significant in determining whether you know what you're talking about or not.

assuming your post is correct and only poorly written, it still doesn't really answer OP's question. he asked if, for example, a req 9 sword would do more damage than a req 12 sword if a character has 14 swordsmanship. (the answer is no btw). you told him that a req 9 sword will do more damage with 12 swordsmanship than with 9 - not quite on topic.

to the OP, the link in kupp's post explains damage calculation very well; i suggest you read it if you have questions about damage calculation.

I'll give you that, reading it now even I can't tell what I'm trying to say.

What I meant is that a player with let's say, 12 swordsmanship, wielding a req. 12 sword will do less damage than if he'd be wielding another sword with req. 9.

In other words, after you've met the minimum requirement you'll increasingly be doing more damage, toping at 12, so swords with lower reqs will do more damage than swords with higher ones. Beyond 12 swordsmanship (with the exception for req.13 swords), the +dmg you'll gain is insignificant.

This is what I've understood by reading the wiki link (look at the math below the first table), I'm following this discussion as well trying to understand whose right and whose wrong, but for some reason I've always played GW with the notion that lower req = more damage.

Rhamia Darigaz · Apr 19, 2009, 12:37 AM // 00:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by kupp

I'll give you that, reading it now even I can't tell what I'm trying to say.

What I meant is that a player with let's say, 12 swordsmanship, wielding a req. 12 sword will do less damage than if he'd be wielding another sword with req. 9.

In other words, after you've met the minimum requirement you'll increasingly be doing more damage, toping at 12, so swords with lower reqs will do more damage than swords with higher ones. Beyond 12 swordsmanship (with the exception for req.13 swords), the +dmg you'll gain is insignificant.

This is what I've understood by reading the wiki link (look at the math below the first table), I'm following this discussion as well trying to understand whose right and whose wrong, but for some reason I've always played GW with the notion that lower req = more damage.

it seems after you've explained yourself that you're actually wrong. you seem to have somewhat understandably misunderstood the effect of increasing attributes beyond requirements.

i'll try to explain it in my own words to see if that helps clear things up.

your weapon attribute is essentially a multiplier on your weapon's base damage. i believe there is a table on the damage calculation wiki page which displays the effective multiplier associated with each weapon attribute. 12 weapon mastery will act as a 1x multiplier on your weapon's base damage - higher attributes correspond with higher multipliers and lower attributes correspond with lower multipliers.

the weapon's requirement serves only to determine the weapons base damage at each attribute spec. for a weapon requiring x in an attribute the weapon's base damage will be the listed damage range for all attribute specs greater than or equal to x. for all attribute specs less than x the weapon's base damage will be the minimum damage range for its weapon type.

this means that any two weapons which differ only in attribute requirement will deal equal damage at any attribute spec greater than or equal to the higher requirement.

Savio · Apr 19, 2009, 02:32 AM // 02:32

Apr 17, 2009, 05:13 AM // 05:13	#1
aubray1741 Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: East Coast, USA Profession: Mo/	Weapon Requirements and Damage Is there any definitive research that weapons with max damage and lower than req9 do more damage? Is there any difference in damage if you meet the requirement for both a max damage req9 or req12 weapon? (I want screenshots, charts, etc. proving it if you say "yes"). Common sense tells me "no", but some players vehemently claim that lower req weapons do more damage or that "someone had a thread somewhere about it, but I can't find it".

Apr 19, 2009, 02:32 AM // 02:32	#16
Savio Teenager with attitude Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	__________________ People are stupid.

Apr 17, 2009, 05:21 AM // 05:21	#2
snaek Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: N/	no abcdefghijklmnopqrawrstuvwxyz

Apr 17, 2009, 05:36 AM // 05:36	#3
Antares Ascending Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2008 Profession: E/	A lower req weapon will do max damage sooner but once min is reached there is no dif. I thought for sure a req 8 would do more damage than a req 9 at 12 attribute but nope..same damage. Check it out on Great temple of balth damage area.

Apr 17, 2009, 05:45 AM // 05:45	#4
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10027353 http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Weapon#Linked_attribute http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Requirement http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Damage_calculation The thread at the top is the linked thread in the Q&A FAQ sticky at the top.

Apr 17, 2009, 06:17 AM // 06:17	#5
Gift3d Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Guild: Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR] Profession: W/E	weapon damage more or less depends on your overall weapon mastery attribute like say you have a req9 sword and a req13 sword but you're running 14 sword -- they'll both do the same damage but like ascending said you'll just be able to reap the max damage from the weapon with a lower attribute from a lower req weapon

Apr 17, 2009, 09:44 AM // 09:44	#6
Archress Shayleigh Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Guild Hall Profession: R/	no. a q9 and q13 wand would do the same damage IF you have the requirements.

Apr 17, 2009, 11:17 AM // 11:17	#7
kupp Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Shiverpeaks Guild: [KISS] Profession: W/	A req. 9 sword with a req. 9 in your attributes will do LESS damage than the same sword with a req. 12 Swordsmanship but beyond that you won't gain much benefit. That's what I gatter from the wiki: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Damage_calculation

Apr 17, 2009, 11:39 AM // 11:39	#8
Stop The Storm Keeping DoA Alive Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: England Guild: Were In [DoA] Profession: A/N	basically aslong as you meet the requirement, they will all do the same damage and it will only increase as you raise your swordsmanship attribute points, NOT your weapon requirement

Apr 17, 2009, 02:00 PM // 14:00	#9
Improvavel Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2007	In conclusion lower req weapons are more expensive because of epenis status (they drop less often than higher req ones though) not efficiency. The only thing to consider is the chance you might suffer from weakness. But req 11/12 weapons should be safe all time (and even req 13 should be adequate for general PvE and PvP).

Apr 17, 2009, 02:22 PM // 14:22	#10
Skyy High Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2006 Profession: R/	No, no, and no again. This has been answered so many times already; the only reason I can think of for the continued "confusion" is people spreading the rumor that lower req = more damage so they can sell their req9s for higher prices.

Apr 17, 2009, 03:30 PM // 15:30	#11
TheodenKing Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: DoA Guild: Dark Order of Retarded Knights (doRk) Profession: N/Me	The effect of Weakness should be taken into account when choosing your weapon. Other than that, the value of low-req weapons relates to rarity, not utility. I didn't take screenies, but I did spend some time with Master of Damage in our high-tech weapons lab. Everything I stated is true (except for the weapons lab). :-P

Apr 18, 2009, 02:08 AM // 02:08	#13
Loki Seiguro Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: IGN: Scarlet Test Ace Guild: We play Isketch in [HoH] Profession: E/	don't demand that we give you charts and what not. And yes use your gamer instincts, a lower req means you can get max dmg oout of weapons sooner and with less skill points in it.