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WhiteAsIce · Jun 24, 2009, 07:48 AM // 07:48

I'm trying to complete the Vabbi quest Desperate Measures, where you have to kill the bosses of the Skree and Heket, with my Paragon. I can kill the Heket leader easily on my own. However, I can get nowhere near the Skree boss Render because of the masses of Griffins (HB Monks) and Singers (Paras with [["We Shall Return!"]. Triple Necro heroes can't do a thing against instant mass ressing. Is there nothing I can do about this without resorting to hiring a Perma to go kill the boss for me?

Jade · Jun 24, 2009, 07:53 AM // 07:53

I don't remember this one being too hard, but it has been a while since I've done it. Try this, from the official wiki:

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Alternative Walkthrough
This is not a true walkthrough, but it works. The quest implies that the Harpies and Heket are at war... take advantage of this. With a few running and damage reduction skills just run into the Harpie/Heket camp and bring them to the other one - make sure to bring the boss along - and watch the full scale war. Clean up any leftovers and you're done. If soloing, then bring an AoE spell/skill so you get the XP while they kill each other; this is very useful if trying to lvl up heroes - just don't take quest reward ever.

LicensedLuny · Jun 24, 2009, 07:58 AM // 07:58

I haven't tried that quest in a while, certainly not since the big buff. Just off the top of my head though, can you bring Frozen Soil on your bar or a hero's bar? Wouldn't that stop the Para's from rezzing? If it's just that one shout, you might also try Vocal Minority or Well of Silence. Another option would be to bring a mesmer to drain their energy. We Shall Return needs 25 energy now, and that can be hard on Paragons.

Good Luck!

EDIT - @ Jade, I'm guessing the recent update that buffed a lot of Paragon skills in PvE, including making We Shall Return an AoE rez, is what's causing trouble now.

WhiteAsIce · Jun 24, 2009, 08:12 AM // 08:12

I tried to bring them together to wage war. The Skree always win now due to the super buffed We Shall Return. Also, E-denial is no good, since foes seem to have infinite energy anyways. I tried to have Frozen Soil, but either they kill it right away, or I don't have enough firepower to outdamage the Griffon's heals since I lack a Discorder.

Resha · Jun 24, 2009, 09:29 AM // 09:29

Doing this right now with my imbagon using 2 paragon/1 orders derv for heroes and gave one of the paragons Frozen Soil. Just worked my way to him from the east killing a few mobs on the way (with frozen soil up for all of them - just set it up away from the mob and it'll be fine) and pulled him alone and he was easy, of course, while killing him about 4 other mobs decided to join in the fun and they eventually killed us but I got the boss so to heck with them!

I Will Heal You Ally · Jun 24, 2009, 09:54 AM // 09:54

Um I bring Frozen Soil for no rez?

rkubik · Jun 24, 2009, 11:25 AM // 11:25

I have done that quest on at least 8 characters and never had too much of a problem. Same strategy every time. I would just start to pull groups back to the rez shrine at the bottom fo the hill by Render. Once you start to pull a bunch of them come. For most of them I used the basic sabway hero build and had little problems doing it that way.

mathiastemplar · Jun 24, 2009, 01:37 PM // 13:37

Try Earthshaker.

Eragon Zarroc · Jun 24, 2009, 01:48 PM // 13:48

frozen soil is the easiest way to deal with the shout ressing. fortunately it is now affected by frozen unlike when the skill was first changed ;-) =D

Dre · Jun 24, 2009, 02:16 PM // 14:16

try vocal minority, they have no hex removal

Kattar · Jun 24, 2009, 02:45 PM // 14:45

There is no part a regular gameplay that can only be completed with some gimmick build like SF.

Just for future reference.

Helix Dreadlock · Jun 24, 2009, 07:47 PM // 19:47

Sf is even tough to kill them with! :O

Jun 24, 2009, 07:48 AM // 07:48	#1
WhiteAsIce Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2008 Profession: R/	Render impossible to reach without a Perma? I'm trying to complete the Vabbi quest Desperate Measures, where you have to kill the bosses of the Skree and Heket, with my Paragon. I can kill the Heket leader easily on my own. However, I can get nowhere near the Skree boss Render because of the masses of Griffins (HB Monks) and Singers (Paras with [["We Shall Return!"]. Triple Necro heroes can't do a thing against instant mass ressing. Is there nothing I can do about this without resorting to hiring a Perma to go kill the boss for me?

Jun 24, 2009, 02:45 PM // 14:45	#11
Kattar EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: SMS (lolgw2placeholder) Profession: Me/	There is no part a regular gameplay that can only be completed with some gimmick build like SF. Just for future reference. __________________ All seems lost now, but still we must fight on.

Jun 24, 2009, 07:58 AM // 07:58	#3
LicensedLuny Badly Influenced Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Buying Humps! (No kidding! Check my buy thread) Guild: Hello Kitty Krewe [HKK] Forever!-ish	I haven't tried that quest in a while, certainly not since the big buff. Just off the top of my head though, can you bring Frozen Soil on your bar or a hero's bar? Wouldn't that stop the Para's from rezzing? If it's just that one shout, you might also try Vocal Minority or Well of Silence. Another option would be to bring a mesmer to drain their energy. We Shall Return needs 25 energy now, and that can be hard on Paragons. Good Luck! EDIT - @ Jade, I'm guessing the recent update that buffed a lot of Paragon skills in PvE, including making We Shall Return an AoE rez, is what's causing trouble now.

Jun 24, 2009, 08:12 AM // 08:12	#4
WhiteAsIce Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2008 Profession: R/	I tried to bring them together to wage war. The Skree always win now due to the super buffed We Shall Return. Also, E-denial is no good, since foes seem to have infinite energy anyways. I tried to have Frozen Soil, but either they kill it right away, or I don't have enough firepower to outdamage the Griffon's heals since I lack a Discorder.

Jun 24, 2009, 09:29 AM // 09:29	#5
Resha Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Alberta, Mongolia Profession: P/	Doing this right now with my imbagon using 2 paragon/1 orders derv for heroes and gave one of the paragons Frozen Soil. Just worked my way to him from the east killing a few mobs on the way (with frozen soil up for all of them - just set it up away from the mob and it'll be fine) and pulled him alone and he was easy, of course, while killing him about 4 other mobs decided to join in the fun and they eventually killed us but I got the boss so to heck with them!

Jun 24, 2009, 09:54 AM // 09:54	#6
I Will Heal You Ally Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In my HoM Guild: Canthan Refugees [TOGO] Profession: E/Rt	Um I bring Frozen Soil for no rez?

Jun 24, 2009, 11:25 AM // 11:25	#7
rkubik Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2006	I have done that quest on at least 8 characters and never had too much of a problem. Same strategy every time. I would just start to pull groups back to the rez shrine at the bottom fo the hill by Render. Once you start to pull a bunch of them come. For most of them I used the basic sabway hero build and had little problems doing it that way.

Jun 24, 2009, 01:37 PM // 13:37	#8
mathiastemplar Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Denmark Guild: Jade Reapers [JD] Profession: W/	Try Earthshaker.

Jun 24, 2009, 01:48 PM // 13:48	#9
Eragon Zarroc Atra estern?? ono thelduin Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Madness Incarnate Guild: [Duo] Profession: W/P	frozen soil is the easiest way to deal with the shout ressing. fortunately it is now affected by frozen unlike when the skill was first changed ;-) =D

Jun 24, 2009, 02:16 PM // 14:16	#10
Dre Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Belgium Guild: Dutch Doom Brigade Profession: W/	try vocal minority, they have no hex removal

Jun 24, 2009, 07:47 PM // 19:47	#12
Helix Dreadlock Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Imperial Sanctum Guild: Legendary Drunken Masters [DUI] Profession: E/Me	Sf is even tough to kill them with! :O