tank/dps - Guild Wars Forums

rudy9443 · Jul 04, 2009, 11:53 PM // 23:53

hey guys, my fiance and i are just starting up and were looking to build characters that can basically tag-team most mobs (along with a couple heroes of course). what professions do you suggest(she wants to be tank, me dps) and builds for each would be awesome. thanks!

subarucar · Jul 05, 2009, 12:30 AM // 00:30

Dont tank in GW, its slow and completely fails outside of specific builds for a very limited amount of areas. Your also being very broad, if you could be more specific, it would be easier to give you classes you may enjoy more.

For DPS I could recommend Warrior, Assassin, Dervish, Elementalist and Ranger.

The best recommendation I can give, and I am sure others will agree, is to try each class out, there is no penalty for deleting characters, give each one a play through, then choose the one the was most enjoyable to play.

rudy9443 · Jul 05, 2009, 12:43 AM // 00:43

so she shouldnt tank, what would you suggest as a working team then if im an elementalist?

RotteN · Jul 05, 2009, 12:52 AM // 00:52

Tanking in the classic MMO meaning isn't realy done in Guild Wars.

However, due to their high armor combined with decent DPS, warriors are often considered the "classic" front line character. Although any melee character can easely do this.

A warrior's job isn't to tank all the damage though, but rather disrupt the enemy, and keep them away from your squishies through body blocks, knock downs, ... It is then up to your backline (prot monks, ritualists, ...) to keep you on your feet.

**Marty Silverblade** · Jul 05, 2009, 01:07 AM // 01:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by RotteN

A warrior's job isn't to tank all the damage though, but rather disrupt the enemy, and keep them away from your squishies through body blocks, knock downs, ... It is then up to your backline (prot monks, ritualists, ...) to keep you on your feet.

You forgot the most important part: deal insane amounts of damage. KD's and stuff are there to make life easier, but ultimately the Warrior is there to drop targets as fast as possible.

rudy9443 · Jul 05, 2009, 01:15 AM // 01:15

so what secondary prof would you suggest for the warrior? builds?

RotteN · Jul 05, 2009, 01:30 AM // 01:30

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/f...play.php?f=210

Subforum 100% dedicated to warriors

@Marty: i classify killing enemies very fast under "disrupting the enemy, and keeping them away from your squishies" ... :P

Lux Aeterna · Jul 05, 2009, 02:02 AM // 02:02

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:W/an..._Slash_Warrior
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:W/an..._Slash_Warrior

Best warrior build for pve.

The Riven · Jul 05, 2009, 07:27 AM // 07:27

With 2 human players and 6 heros... Everything is possible.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned a paragon / curses necro combo (with heros), insane dmg and insane protection.

subarucar · Jul 05, 2009, 12:18 PM // 12:18

Builds dont matter so much at an earlier stage, but when you get further into the game, i would highly recommend running a discord setup with the player Ele running the caller build, and the warrior could run an earthshacker or d-slash build with save yourselves.

For builds, head over to PvXwiki.com
It has almost every build you could ever need.

Super Igor · Jul 05, 2009, 12:30 PM // 12:30

You dont need a tank in majority of gw pve, it will only slow you down. oO

Crash Override · Jul 06, 2009, 07:39 AM // 07:39

Haha, I take it you and your fianc??e played WoW before switching over to GW? (I say that only because my friends asked very similar questions when trying out GW from WoW)

Tanks aren't really needed, like everyone else has said. And really, any class can do "dps" (I always despised that term). Oh, and unless you're running some sort of 600/smite or SF gimmick, you can't exactly 2-man your way through the game.

I'd focus more on what you enjoy doing in an MMO as opposed to what you would necessarily "need". I can't tell you how many times I've deleted a character only to re-create it a month later; in fact, I find a lot of fun in rolling a new character to try out new playstyles and builds.

Life Bringing · Jul 06, 2009, 07:49 AM // 07:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crash Override

you can't exactly 2-man your way through the game.

lolwut? What game have you been playing? You can two man your way through any area of the game. Hell, you could probably even do urgie/deep 2 man. (ofc with heroes, but henchmen could still do all of proph).

Tenebrae · Jul 06, 2009, 11:11 AM // 11:11

Tanking is a bad idea , unlike other games you dont have skills that can draw aggro to you when used and so on . GW IA system is different ; sure a warrior can tank so well but can also do a good DPS , KD , inflict conditions etc. Quite funny , diff weapns to use without needing to change your secondary prof.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Riven

With 2 human players and 6 heros... Everything is possible.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned a paragon / curses necro combo (with heros), insane dmg and insane protection.

Yeah but not so many ppl really know it. Paragon syncs well with all physical profs due to Command att line . Even moti has some good things for casters its really slow due to casting times ( at least 50% of them should be taken away ).

Crassus Praetor · Jul 06, 2009, 03:43 PM // 15:43

Tanking in the form of body blocking through the use of a wall
or other large object can be effective, however
I wouldn't dedicate any skills towards it, just make use of positioning.

In general though throughout NM there shouldn't be a need for
any form of tanking.

I would just suggest that you play whichever character suits you
best, if you wish to branch out into HM and are interested in DPS
I would suggest using a Necromancer and would stay away from
Elementalist and Ranger.

If you do insist on tanking I would use a Warrior.

Trinity Fire Angel · Jul 06, 2009, 04:01 PM // 16:01

i recommend the best two professions you can have are the ones that attract you the most. in the end you get heros and hencies so they can be your "tanks", healers, etc etc.

i started as an E/W back when i didn;t know about builds, etc etc. i used to run around with a firey sword and mark of rodgert. was definitely called a noob once or twice when i started interacting with other players once i got into PVP...

just play the game you love. i now exclusively play monk and only bring out my ele for special tasks my monk cannot do. monks are great, they are good in a team of monk + warrior. with a monk and a warrior you can do anything in the game. ... i really think that monks and warriors belong together... just check out Koss and Tahlkora

Forgotton200 · Jul 07, 2009, 03:54 AM // 03:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by rudy9443

hey guys, my fiance and i are just starting up and were looking to build characters that can basically tag-team most mobs (along with a couple heroes of course). what professions do you suggest(she wants to be tank, me dps) and builds for each would be awesome. thanks!

For physical, I'd go for a assassin since you're looking for dps. My hypothesis was that, warriors are the superior dps'er but I started playing around with both warriors and assassins. After playing the meta build for each, I concluded that assassins can potentially deal higher dps (as long as critical agility is maintained.) Majority of the posters on campfire is a section of high sociological deviance, but unlike most other sections has enough cerebral capacity and maturity to talk about the subject honestly. There will probably be people who will say otherwise due to predilection for warriors and becomes a vexatious situation.

Anyway, these are the two meta build for assassins.
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:A/D_...cythe_Assassin
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:A/any_PvE_Moebius_Sin

For tanking in elite area, a permasin (a.k.a. God mode assassins, abusing the shadow form which can be kept on permanently) makes the best tank. Like other stated, tank is a waste in general PvE.

Also, bookmark this page: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Edit: If you don't have Critical Agility, don't bother running assassins. This skill is needed for assassins to function well.

_Nihilist_ · Jul 07, 2009, 04:06 AM // 04:06

As far as Casters, a Necromancer is going to outperform an Elementalist @ DPS all day long. Necros have quite a few armor-ignoring damage skills whereas Elementalists only have a couple with most of their skills dealing Elemental damage (Cold, Earth, Fire, Lightning).

Many of the Necromancer's best armor-ignoring damage skills rely on the enemy you target to be hit with Physical (Blunt, Slashing, Piercing) damage, which goes hand-in-hand with your fiance' playing a "Tank" (best suggestion there has already been made - Warrior; without the Nightfall campaign, and the Sunspear skill Critical Agility, an Assassin isn't going to be able to make it as a frontliner). As a Necro, you would supply the Hexes, your fiance' would supply Physical damage, and the Hexes would trigger, making things go BOOM!

Those are the best suggestions that I can give you, other than that you should try out each Profession and see what you like or don't like. If you have any other questions, PM me (clicky my name to the left!), and I'll be happy to try and help!

Regards,

Tyrael

Jul 04, 2009, 11:53 PM // 23:53	#1
rudy9443 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2008	tank/dps hey guys, my fiance and i are just starting up and were looking to build characters that can basically tag-team most mobs (along with a couple heroes of course). what professions do you suggest(she wants to be tank, me dps) and builds for each would be awesome. thanks!

Jul 07, 2009, 04:06 AM // 04:06	#18
_Nihilist_ Will Bull's Strike for $! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Isle of the Dead	As far as Casters, a Necromancer is going to outperform an Elementalist @ DPS all day long. Necros have quite a few armor-ignoring damage skills whereas Elementalists only have a couple with most of their skills dealing Elemental damage (Cold, Earth, Fire, Lightning). Many of the Necromancer's best armor-ignoring damage skills rely on the enemy you target to be hit with Physical (Blunt, Slashing, Piercing) damage, which goes hand-in-hand with your fiance' playing a "Tank" (best suggestion there has already been made - Warrior; without the Nightfall campaign, and the Sunspear skill Critical Agility, an Assassin isn't going to be able to make it as a frontliner). As a Necro, you would supply the Hexes, your fiance' would supply Physical damage, and the Hexes would trigger, making things go *BOOM! Those are the best suggestions that I can give you, other than that you should try out each Profession and see what you like or don't like. If you have any other questions, PM me (clicky my name to the left!), and I'll be happy to try and help! Regards, Tyrael* __________________ Warrior for Hire

Jul 05, 2009, 12:30 AM // 00:30	#2
subarucar Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Zealand Guild: None	Dont tank in GW, its slow and completely fails outside of specific builds for a very limited amount of areas. Your also being very broad, if you could be more specific, it would be easier to give you classes you may enjoy more. For DPS I could recommend Warrior, Assassin, Dervish, Elementalist and Ranger. The best recommendation I can give, and I am sure others will agree, is to try each class out, there is no penalty for deleting characters, give each one a play through, then choose the one the was most enjoyable to play.

Jul 05, 2009, 12:43 AM // 00:43	#3
rudy9443 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2008	so she shouldnt tank, what would you suggest as a working team then if im an elementalist?

Jul 05, 2009, 12:52 AM // 00:52	#4
RotteN Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: W/	Tanking in the classic MMO meaning isn't realy done in Guild Wars. However, due to their high armor combined with decent DPS, warriors are often considered the "classic" front line character. Although any melee character can easely do this. A warrior's job isn't to tank all the damage though, but rather disrupt the enemy, and keep them away from your squishies through body blocks, knock downs, ... It is then up to your backline (prot monks, ritualists, ...) to keep you on your feet.

Jul 05, 2009, 01:15 AM // 01:15	#6
rudy9443 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2008	so what secondary prof would you suggest for the warrior? builds?

Jul 05, 2009, 01:30 AM // 01:30	#7
RotteN Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: W/	http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/f...play.php?f=210 Subforum 100% dedicated to warriors @Marty: i classify killing enemies very fast under "disrupting the enemy, and keeping them away from your squishies" ... :P

Jul 05, 2009, 02:02 AM // 02:02	#8
Lux Aeterna Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: RAH Guild: Close Enough [XVII] Profession: W/A	http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:W/an..._Slash_Warrior http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:W/an..._Slash_Warrior Best warrior build for pve.

Jul 05, 2009, 07:27 AM // 07:27	#9
The Riven Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2007 Guild: None worth mentioning Profession: P/	With 2 human players and 6 heros... Everything is possible. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned a paragon / curses necro combo (with heros), insane dmg and insane protection.

Jul 05, 2009, 12:18 PM // 12:18	#10
subarucar Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Zealand Guild: None	Builds dont matter so much at an earlier stage, but when you get further into the game, i would highly recommend running a discord setup with the player Ele running the caller build, and the warrior could run an earthshacker or d-slash build with save yourselves. For builds, head over to PvXwiki.com It has almost every build you could ever need.

Jul 05, 2009, 12:30 PM // 12:30	#11
Super Igor Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Guild: why should you kno? Oo Profession: A/W	You dont need a tank in majority of gw pve, it will only slow you down. oO

Jul 06, 2009, 07:39 AM // 07:39	#12
Crash Override Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Georgia Guild: The Syko Mafia [SOMA] Profession: R/	Haha, I take it you and your fianc??e played WoW before switching over to GW? (I say that only because my friends asked very similar questions when trying out GW from WoW) Tanks aren't really needed, like everyone else has said. And really, any class can do "dps" (I always despised that term). Oh, and unless you're running some sort of 600/smite or SF gimmick, you can't exactly 2-man your way through the game. I'd focus more on what you enjoy doing in an MMO as opposed to what you would necessarily "need". I can't tell you how many times I've deleted a character only to re-create it a month later; in fact, I find a lot of fun in rolling a new character to try out new playstyles and builds.

Jul 06, 2009, 03:43 PM // 15:43	#15
Crassus Praetor Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: England Guild: Jade Reapers [JD] Profession: W/	Tanking in the form of body blocking through the use of a wall or other large object can be effective, however I wouldn't dedicate any skills towards it, just make use of positioning. In general though throughout NM there shouldn't be a need for any form of tanking. I would just suggest that you play whichever character suits you best, if you wish to branch out into HM and are interested in DPS I would suggest using a Necromancer and would stay away from Elementalist and Ranger. If you do insist on tanking I would use a Warrior.

Jul 06, 2009, 04:01 PM // 16:01	#16
Trinity Fire Angel Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Desert Guild: Legions of Engalion [自由] Profession: Mo/W	i recommend the best two professions you can have are the ones that attract you the most. in the end you get heros and hencies so they can be your "tanks", healers, etc etc. i started as an E/W back when i didn;t know about builds, etc etc. i used to run around with a firey sword and mark of rodgert. was definitely called a noob once or twice when i started interacting with other players once i got into PVP... just play the game you love. i now exclusively play monk and only bring out my ele for special tasks my monk cannot do. monks are great, they are good in a team of monk + warrior. with a monk and a warrior you can do anything in the game. ... i really think that monks and warriors belong together... just check out Koss and Tahlkora