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XaiXo · Jul 20, 2009, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by gulagman145

Lv 20 ascended on my 4 chars. Never leave any towns without henchies. GL trying to fight your way to Marhan's grotto with henchies. Everyone who said 'you're terrible' go blow it. How can a group of 8 20's (with a shitty AI mind you) take on an equally sized group of lv 24+ ? Not possible. Explain why this isn't an MMO. If it isn't an MMO, why is it that NCSoft (the franchise owner) lists it as an MMO? The beginning of the game, as someone pointed out, is challenging compared to other MMOs, but fun and doable. As for late game/end game content, there is no question that Guild Wars is significantly more difficult than other MMOs. Forget fighting from beacons to droks with henchies. So much nonsense in all the posts I won't even bother debating. NCSoft doesn't make enough money on game key sales to fund a higher quality game, but that's no excuse for this level of difficulty.

You don't ever have to use certain classes.
-Savio

Ok.. so I don't have to play a warrior.. I just Have to if I want to get to towns on my own..

Funny, since I've gotten to every outpost in Prophecies with no trouble on all characters (bar Rt and Para, who I only made recently) using Heroes and Henchmen.

As for 8 level 20's not being able to take on 8+ level 24+ enemies...You must be using some retarded build, I must say.

A character and 2 H/H Monks can take on a group of 8 with a proper build, anything else is just easier and easier.

moriz · Jul 20, 2009, 12:15 AM // 00:15

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How can a group of 8 20's (with a shitty AI mind you) take on an equally sized group of lv 24+ ? Not possible.

it's very possible. i hate to say it, but please stop sucking. each one of us had gone through the game multiple times, each going up against the same odds, and each one of us had done it without too much trouble. you need to improve your build, or improve your execution of said build, or both.

gremlin · Jul 20, 2009, 12:31 AM // 00:31

The key to this area has already been given to you and that's to have infused armour.
Apologies if you have already done this, all the henchmen here have infused armour so if you don't the mursat will cream you.

It was this part of the map that I became stuck when I brought my mesmer through.
My Necro had no problems so couldnt figure it out, some time later after playing my ranger and monk for a while I came back and the mesmer blitzed through.
All I needed was more experience in the game.

Anyway.

Infused armour
Henchmen chosen to compliment your characters build.
Use a bow to draw single enemies to your party.
Fight when and where you choose.
watch enemy movement patterns
Don't fight two mobs at the same time.
Know what enemy skills your facing and alter build to counter them.

nkuvu · Jul 20, 2009, 12:38 AM // 00:38

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Originally Posted by gulagman145

"...place them in huge groups and have them drop useless items that can only be sold for minimal gain."

Most groups aren't particularly large. Try pulling.

Also, the fact that you're upset that they don't drop wearable armor makes me wonder if you have max level armor already.

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Originally Posted by gulagman145

Lv 20 ascended on my 4 chars.

You realize that Ascension doesn't actually do anything in terms of how powerful your character is, right? You did read the dialogs for the primary quests and understand what Infusion is, right?

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Originally Posted by gulagman145

How can a group of 8 20's (with a shitty AI mind you) take on an equally sized group of lv 24+ ? Not possible.

I'm not claiming to be a great player, but I certainly found it possible.

In some quests, I even had to kill a level 28 character with my level 20 character. All alone. (see: Norn arena, Cold as Ice quest for some examples) Yes, I did have to think about it and yes I did have to change my build around (even had to do research on tips on how to do the quests) but it's certainly possible.

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Originally Posted by gulagman145

Forget fighting from beacons to droks with henchies.

Not a surprise. Level 10 henchies don't do well in areas designed for level 20 characters. I honestly don't know why Lornar's Pass and Dreadnought's Drift and Snake Dance explorable areas are there, but they're certainly not part of the primary storyline. If you're trying to go through Lornar's Pass with henchies, you're going the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by gulagman145

Ok.. so I don't have to play a warrior.. I just Have to if I want to get to towns on my own..

Rather than griping about how OMGHARD the game is and how impossible it is (which obviously it isn't given that a whole bunch of other people have done what you're trying to do -- get to the next town) maybe you'd want to actually give details. Tell us what profession you're playing, what armor you're wearing, what your skill bar looks like, which heroes and henchies you're taking.

Then people could actually give you constructive advice. But as it stands you've just made some very vague, easily refutable complaints. There are lots of people here willing to help with advice. There are probably even people who would be willing to party with you to help you get where you want to go.

pamelf · Jul 20, 2009, 12:57 AM // 00:57

Anet have made such a great game. Clearly given that Prophecies has been around for over 4 years, with still quite a large player base would suggest that it is a good game, with a very good difficulty curve. True, some areas are harder than others, but we've all been there and done that. You just need to be adaptable. Research into the difficulties you will encounter in any given area, and match builds accordingly.

I agree with the above poster. We've all done this, and would be more than happy to help you if you give us the team you're running with, perhaps the current level armour you're wearing, what runes you have equipped, what profession/build you're using etc.

Before claiming a game is designed badly, you should really re-evaluate the way you're playing it first. I'm not saying you're playing it wrong, but perhaps, with a little advice we could help you improve, and thus actually enjoy it more.

MagmaRed · Jul 20, 2009, 01:43 AM // 01:43

I smell a troll. How could anyone believe this guy is serious? I remember getting to Marhan's with hench before Factions was released, so no heroes or new skills around. Obviously he is trolling, or never learned the basics.

Shursh · Jul 20, 2009, 01:54 AM // 01:54

wow...seriously OP, do at least one of the following things:

A. research some builds
B. get max armor
C. bring full H/H with you all the time
D. don't over-aggro
E. bring a rez

honestly tho, if you really do have 4 characters who are ascended, and you're having problems getting from one town to the next...you might want to try a different game.

x sithis x · Jul 20, 2009, 02:09 AM // 02:09

ok someone has been playin wow to long & when they have a game that takes skill they QQ cuz its to hard ... wow ...

Zodiac Meteor · Jul 20, 2009, 02:20 AM // 02:20

Lol, try 8 players vs 10 monsters with Enraged (Doubles damage at 50% health) all are level 30 in Domain of Anguish, foundry of failed creations, hard mode. If I can beat it as a healer then you can easily beat southern shiverpeaks.

whisper me in game, Zodiac Ele, maybe I can help.

smilingscar · Jul 20, 2009, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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Originally Posted by gulagman145

How can a group of 8 20's (with a shitty AI mind you) take on an equally sized group of lv 24+ ? Not possible.

1. You have a brain. They do not. Thus, you can use strategy and target their weaknesses while they target randomly. Revise that to 7 20's with shitty AI + 1 20 with a brain and the scale tips in your favor.
2. Foes generally have less than full skill bars. This game is based around builds and skills. Your full skill bar is one of your biggest advantages.
3. Enemy groups are not usually as balanced in terms of offense and defense as player teams. The hardest areas will be closer to balanced, but many areas are not.
4. There are many exceptions, but many groups are smaller than your party, in the 4-6 range. Try pulling.

I'm willing to bet that any class could make it from droknar's to marhan's grotto with less that a full party.

gulagman145 · Jul 20, 2009, 06:50 AM // 06:50

Just felt like griping. Thanks to the forums for giving me an outlet. I do play wow, and I enjoy it, but I also enjoy GW. The characters are less cartoony, skill icons and color coding are top-notch. The dual-class system was a breakthrough and is applied well to the game. I play GW because the extra element of challenge is great after hours of annihilating murlocs or whatever, but sometimes it seems like the game is just trying too hard to make my life miserable. If you screw up once, its practically over. There is little forgiveness. The game transforms into more of a test than I enjoy. I get tested enough at school.. I need something that is a challenge, but that won't smother my enthusiasm. Maybe with a little more effort, I can figure it out. If you've got something negative to say, go suck a lemon.

Peace

Neo Nugget · Jul 20, 2009, 07:36 AM // 07:36

Question seems to have been answered. Nothing more needs to be added here.

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Jul 20, 2009, 07:36 AM // 07:36	#32
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Jul 20, 2009, 12:31 AM // 00:31	#23
gremlin Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: GWAR Profession: Me/Mo	The key to this area has already been given to you and that's to have infused armour. Apologies if you have already done this, all the henchmen here have infused armour so if you don't the mursat will cream you. It was this part of the map that I became stuck when I brought my mesmer through. My Necro had no problems so couldnt figure it out, some time later after playing my ranger and monk for a while I came back and the mesmer blitzed through. All I needed was more experience in the game. Anyway. Infused armour Henchmen chosen to compliment your characters build. Use a bow to draw single enemies to your party. Fight when and where you choose. watch enemy movement patterns Don't fight two mobs at the same time. Know what enemy skills your facing and alter build to counter them.

Jul 20, 2009, 12:57 AM // 00:57	#25
pamelf Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Australia Guild: Lost Templars [LoTe] Profession: Me/Mo	Anet have made such a great game. Clearly given that Prophecies has been around for over 4 years, with still quite a large player base would suggest that it is a good game, with a very good difficulty curve. True, some areas are harder than others, but we've all been there and done that. You just need to be adaptable. Research into the difficulties you will encounter in any given area, and match builds accordingly. I agree with the above poster. We've all done this, and would be more than happy to help you if you give us the team you're running with, perhaps the current level armour you're wearing, what runes you have equipped, what profession/build you're using etc. Before claiming a game is designed badly, you should really re-evaluate the way you're playing it first. I'm not saying you're playing it wrong, but perhaps, with a little advice we could help you improve, and thus actually enjoy it more.

Jul 20, 2009, 01:43 AM // 01:43	#26
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	I smell a troll. How could anyone believe this guy is serious? I remember getting to Marhan's with hench before Factions was released, so no heroes or new skills around. Obviously he is trolling, or never learned the basics.

Jul 20, 2009, 01:54 AM // 01:54	#27
Shursh Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2008 Guild: KaVa Profession: N/	wow...seriously OP, do at least one of the following things: A. research some builds B. get max armor C. bring full H/H with you all the time D. don't over-aggro E. bring a rez honestly tho, if you really do have 4 characters who are ascended, and you're having problems getting from one town to the next...you might want to try a different game.

Jul 20, 2009, 02:09 AM // 02:09	#28
x sithis x Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2009 Guild: [Pro] Profession: N/	ok someone has been playin wow to long & when they have a game that takes skill they QQ cuz its to hard ... wow ...

Jul 20, 2009, 02:20 AM // 02:20	#29
Zodiac Meteor Imma Firin Mah Rojway! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: At the Mac Store laughing at people that walk out with anything. Profession: E/Mo	Lol, try 8 players vs 10 monsters with Enraged (Doubles damage at 50% health) all are level 30 in Domain of Anguish, foundry of failed creations, hard mode. If I can beat it as a healer then you can easily beat southern shiverpeaks. whisper me in game, Zodiac Ele, maybe I can help.

Jul 20, 2009, 06:50 AM // 06:50	#31
gulagman145 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2009	Just felt like griping. Thanks to the forums for giving me an outlet. I do play wow, and I enjoy it, but I also enjoy GW. The characters are less cartoony, skill icons and color coding are top-notch. The dual-class system was a breakthrough and is applied well to the game. I play GW because the extra element of challenge is great after hours of annihilating murlocs or whatever, but sometimes it seems like the game is just trying too hard to make my life miserable. If you screw up once, its practically over. There is little forgiveness. The game transforms into more of a test than I enjoy. I get tested enough at school.. I need something that is a challenge, but that won't smother my enthusiasm. Maybe with a little more effort, I can figure it out. If you've got something negative to say, go suck a lemon. Peace