Game Design Bug - Guild Wars Forums

gulagman145 · Jul 19, 2009, 08:30 PM // 20:30

For some reason, my characters can never survive a trip between cities with enemies at or above my level. What gives? Who was the genius who decided to make a game in which the monsters make finding your way to a new camp or town impossible without being a certain class combination?

Here's how I think it went down:

"Hey Bill, I've got an idea for that Guild Wars game we're supposed to be working on. Instead of having monsters drop armor that the players can use, lets make them impossible to kill, place them in huge groups and have them drop useless items that can only be sold for minimal gain."

"Oh yeah! That sounds great! Maybe we should make it so only certain classes can even hope to survive traveling between cities!"

"..Hmmm there's still the lack of content issue.. why don't we just make a tiny level cap of 20 so we don't have to make any more armor, weapons or quests than we need to!"

But seriously though.. no other mmo has this problem. At max level in any other game I can travel between max level zones like it's nobody's business.

Savio · Jul 19, 2009, 09:25 PM // 21:25

This isn't a bug and you aren't playing right. What are you doing, running by yourself between outposts? You don't ever have to use certain classes.

Covah · Jul 19, 2009, 09:26 PM // 21:26

good thing GW isn't an MMO. You are max lvl, bring heroes and you can get through anything. If you can't you are bad since there is HARD MODE which can be done with one person.

Introverted Dimensions · Jul 19, 2009, 09:38 PM // 21:38

Gonna assume you're a level three in a zone with level 20 monsters.

xxx wraith xxx · Jul 19, 2009, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by gulagman145

But seriously though.. no other mmo has this problem. At max level in any other game I can travel between max level zones like it's nobody's business.

No really m8...get a group of henchman and dont fail by trying to run to outposts

Ginger Hunter · Jul 19, 2009, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Use heroes and hench.

Or go back to your classic mmorpg bullshit D:

Teknikaali · Jul 19, 2009, 09:56 PM // 21:56

Too much hostility in this thread..

My thought is that OP haven't brought heroes / henchies with him.
You should always think what you're facing:
If you're lvl20 you have to think you can somehow take out one lvl20 enemy..
You can't clearly take out group of those lvl20's by yourself, so what you do: bring allies to fight beside you.

It's Guild Wars. You're part of something bigger that can help you out. Use it.

meh ^^

Kook~NBK~ · Jul 19, 2009, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by gulagman145

For some reason, my characters can never survive a trip between cities with enemies at or above my level. What gives?

The reason is simple: you haven't figured out how to play the game well. Do some research on builds for your profession, get yourself some max armor and apply some runes/insignias, and be sure to take a H/H monk (or two if you're in 8-person party areas) as part of a full compliment of party members.

moriz · Jul 19, 2009, 10:15 PM // 22:15

OP must've never heard of ARMOR CRAFTERS.

gulagman145 · Jul 19, 2009, 10:28 PM // 22:28

Lv 20 ascended on my 4 chars. Never leave any towns without henchies. GL trying to fight your way to Marhan's grotto with henchies. Everyone who said 'you're terrible' go blow it. How can a group of 8 20's (with a shitty AI mind you) take on an equally sized group of lv 24+ ? Not possible. Explain why this isn't an MMO. If it isn't an MMO, why is it that NCSoft (the franchise owner) lists it as an MMO? The beginning of the game, as someone pointed out, is challenging compared to other MMOs, but fun and doable. As for late game/end game content, there is no question that Guild Wars is significantly more difficult than other MMOs. Forget fighting from beacons to droks with henchies. So much nonsense in all the posts I won't even bother debating. NCSoft doesn't make enough money on game key sales to fund a higher quality game, but that's no excuse for this level of difficulty.

You don't ever have to use certain classes.
-Savio

Ok.. so I don't have to play a warrior.. I just Have to if I want to get to towns on my own..

Earth · Jul 19, 2009, 10:32 PM // 22:32

I suggest you get yourself infused. People have fought their way to Marhan's before, so it clearly is possible. The only thing that stands in your way of getting to Marhan's is you.

And has it ever crossed your mind that the reason you can't get to droks with H/H is because they're not even level 20?

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Infusion

CronkTheImpaler · Jul 19, 2009, 10:35 PM // 22:35

No you dont. You can slog your way through all campaigns with any profession. To say this game is too difficult is really stretching it.

The only time ive ever said wow this is just to hard was the titan quests. Limited party size made it kinda rough. Oh BTW i made it through those quests as well. I played more and whined less on the forumns.

Every single profession has solid effective builds that mop the floor in PvE. Quit sayin CANT and just do a little homework.

Cronk

Menlai Littiz · Jul 19, 2009, 10:53 PM // 22:53

Ok guys calm down maybe this person is new and hasnt grasped the idea that gw isnt a traditional MMO, to OP, Guild wars relies on you cooperating with people, playing in parties is one of the main foundations gw was built on, you should bring skills that help the team either by mitigating damage through damage reduction or through offense that will kill enemies before they kill you, you also have to bare in mind that GW is also based on tactics and skills not just numbers, and with this, the player usually has the upperhand, research the area you are going to using wiki.guildwars.com and find what skills will be most effective against what you are going to face.

eldrethv · Jul 19, 2009, 11:00 PM // 23:00

I've VQ'd the southern shiverpeaks.
That's H/H in Hardmode.

It's clearly possible to get there H/H NM.

BadgerzFTW · Jul 19, 2009, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by gulagman145

Lv 20 ascended on my 4 chars. Never leave any towns without henchies. GL trying to fight your way to Marhan's grotto with henchies. Everyone who said 'you're terrible' go blow it. How can a group of 8 20's (with a shitty AI mind you) take on an equally sized group of lv 24+ ? Not possible. Explain why this isn't an MMO. If it isn't an MMO, why is it that NCSoft (the franchise owner) lists it as an MMO? The beginning of the game, as someone pointed out, is challenging compared to other MMOs, but fun and doable. As for late game/end game content, there is no question that Guild Wars is significantly more difficult than other MMOs. Forget fighting from beacons to droks with henchies. So much nonsense in all the posts I won't even bother debating. NCSoft doesn't make enough money on game key sales to fund a higher quality game, but that's no excuse for this level of difficulty.

Ok.. so I don't have to play a warrior.. I just Have to if I want to get to towns on my own..

Have you actually TRIED fighting the level 24s with level 20 henchies? Unless you're fighting mursaat with uninfused armor, they are really easy. Just because it's a bigger number doesn't mean they automatically wtfpwn you. The only thing the level adds is slightly more hp. Anet expected people to be able to beat opponents without a full bar of skills and bad AI. And about henchmen AI, it's bad, but it's not the worst. They follow what you do, so if you stand in the middle of 5 mobs with henchies and the henchies aggro all five, it's still your fault for not flagging the henchies or pulling the mob. It was obviously not the intent of the designers to have you fight from beacon's to drok's because the henchman are level 10. Make sure you have max armor with runes and max damage weapons. If you're still having problems, you need to either /uninstall or stop QQing on forums and spend the time learning to play.

Bob Slydell · Jul 19, 2009, 11:28 PM // 23:28

OP just needs to learn the game, just...like...the...rest...of...us.

KZaske · Jul 19, 2009, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by gulagman145

Lv 20 ascended on my 4 chars. Never leave any towns without henchies. GL trying to fight your way to Marhan's grotto with henchies...

I have got to be missing something here. I vanquished those areas using a ranger toon, three heros and a hench monk. I was not using any special builds like Discord or Cryway either. Just normal builds for my team. Let me guess, you are one of the full steam ahead "players."
Honestly, Take a look at your builds, make sure your skills work togther with as few attribs as possible. Try to keep your primary skills and attributes aligned, don't use more than three attribs. Make sure everyone has a rez, DP remover if you are unsure of yourself. Most of all, take your time. Let your healers and casters rebuild thier engery before you go charging off into death's jaws.

Teknikaali · Jul 19, 2009, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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ArenaNet's Competitive Online RPG, Guild Wars.

CRPG. They've never said it was an MMO ^^;;

The Air Revenger · Jul 19, 2009, 11:45 PM // 23:45

agro control, take one group on at a time let things recharge and go for the next. Thats the way i did it and i can do pretty much anything like that.

*Darcy* · Jul 19, 2009, 11:46 PM // 23:46

@OP - Do you have Thunderhead Keep mapped? The hardest problem you face between Thunderhead and Marhan's is ice imps. And this is a case of bringing both hench healers and pulling one group at a time. Also watch out for the patrolling mursaat on that route.

We realize that some areas are more frustrating than others. But no area is impossible. Don't forget that everyone with a Tyrian Cartography title has cleared the whole Ice Floe area and many of us did it before heroes were in the game.

By the way, NCSoft had nothing to do with the development of GW. It's all ArenaNet's fault and we love them for it.

Jul 19, 2009, 08:30 PM // 20:30	#1
gulagman145 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2009	Game Design Bug For some reason, my characters can never survive a trip between cities with enemies at or above my level. What gives? Who was the genius who decided to make a game in which the monsters make finding your way to a new camp or town impossible without being a certain class combination? Here's how I think it went down: "Hey Bill, I've got an idea for that Guild Wars game we're supposed to be working on. Instead of having monsters drop armor that the players can use, lets make them impossible to kill, place them in huge groups and have them drop useless items that can only be sold for minimal gain." "Oh yeah! That sounds great! Maybe we should make it so only certain classes can even hope to survive traveling between cities!" "..Hmmm there's still the lack of content issue.. why don't we just make a tiny level cap of 20 so we don't have to make any more armor, weapons or quests than we need to!" But seriously though.. no other mmo has this problem. At max level in any other game I can travel between max level zones like it's nobody's business.

Jul 19, 2009, 09:25 PM // 21:25	#2
Savio Teenager with attitude Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	This isn't a bug and you aren't playing right. What are you doing, running by yourself between outposts? You don't ever have to use certain classes. __________________ People are stupid.

Jul 19, 2009, 10:28 PM // 22:28	#10
gulagman145 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2009	wow.. I mean ... wow Lv 20 ascended on my 4 chars. Never leave any towns without henchies. GL trying to fight your way to Marhan's grotto with henchies. Everyone who said 'you're terrible' go blow it. How can a group of 8 20's (with a shitty AI mind you) take on an equally sized group of lv 24+ ? Not possible. Explain why this isn't an MMO. If it isn't an MMO, why is it that NCSoft (the franchise owner) lists it as an MMO? The beginning of the game, as someone pointed out, is challenging compared to other MMOs, but fun and doable. As for late game/end game content, there is no question that Guild Wars is significantly more difficult than other MMOs. Forget fighting from beacons to droks with henchies. So much nonsense in all the posts I won't even bother debating. NCSoft doesn't make enough money on game key sales to fund a higher quality game, but that's no excuse for this level of difficulty. You don't ever have to use certain classes. -Savio Ok.. so I don't have to play a warrior.. I just Have to if I want to get to towns on my own..

Jul 19, 2009, 11:46 PM // 23:46	#20
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	@OP - Do you have Thunderhead Keep mapped? The hardest problem you face between Thunderhead and Marhan's is ice imps. And this is a case of bringing both hench healers and pulling one group at a time. Also watch out for the patrolling mursaat on that route. We realize that some areas are more frustrating than others. But no area is impossible. Don't forget that everyone with a Tyrian Cartography title has cleared the whole Ice Floe area and many of us did it before heroes were in the game. By the way, NCSoft had nothing to do with the development of GW. It's all ArenaNet's fault and we love them for it. __________________ That's me, the old stick-in-the-mud non-fun moderator. (and non-understanding, also)

Jul 19, 2009, 09:26 PM // 21:26	#3
Covah Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Guild: Catching Jellyfish With [소N트T ] Profession: Me/Rt	good thing GW isn't an MMO. You are max lvl, bring heroes and you can get through anything. If you can't you are bad since there is HARD MODE which can be done with one person.

Jul 19, 2009, 09:38 PM // 21:38	#4
Introverted Dimensions Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: R/	Gonna assume you're a level three in a zone with level 20 monsters.

Jul 19, 2009, 09:51 PM // 21:51	#6
Ginger Hunter Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: England Guild: HEH Profession: A/D	Use heroes and hench. Or go back to your classic mmorpg bullshit D:

Jul 19, 2009, 09:56 PM // 21:56	#7
Teknikaali Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2007 Profession: Rt/	Too much hostility in this thread.. My thought is that OP haven't brought heroes / henchies with him. You should always think what you're facing: If you're lvl20 you have to think you can somehow take out one lvl20 enemy.. You can't clearly take out group of those lvl20's by yourself, so what you do: bring allies to fight beside you. It's Guild Wars. You're part of something bigger that can help you out. Use it. meh ^^

Jul 19, 2009, 10:15 PM // 22:15	#9
moriz ??ber t??k-n??sh'??n Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Profession: R/	OP must've never heard of ARMOR CRAFTERS.

Jul 19, 2009, 10:32 PM // 22:32	#11
Earth Always Outnumbered Join Date: Jul 2006	I suggest you get yourself infused. People have fought their way to Marhan's before, so it clearly is possible. The only thing that stands in your way of getting to Marhan's is you. And has it ever crossed your mind that the reason you can't get to droks with H/H is because they're not even level 20? http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Infusion

Jul 19, 2009, 10:35 PM // 22:35	#12
CronkTheImpaler Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: midwest Guild: AE Profession: W/Me	No you dont. You can slog your way through all campaigns with any profession. To say this game is too difficult is really stretching it. The only time ive ever said wow this is just to hard was the titan quests. Limited party size made it kinda rough. Oh BTW i made it through those quests as well. I played more and whined less on the forumns. Every single profession has solid effective builds that mop the floor in PvE. Quit sayin CANT and just do a little homework. Cronk

Jul 19, 2009, 10:53 PM // 22:53	#13
Menlai Littiz Academy Page Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK (Wales) Guild: United in Battle [UIB] Profession: W/	Ok guys calm down maybe this person is new and hasnt grasped the idea that gw isnt a traditional MMO, to OP, Guild wars relies on you cooperating with people, playing in parties is one of the main foundations gw was built on, you should bring skills that help the team either by mitigating damage through damage reduction or through offense that will kill enemies before they kill you, you also have to bare in mind that GW is also based on tactics and skills not just numbers, and with this, the player usually has the upperhand, research the area you are going to using wiki.guildwars.com and find what skills will be most effective against what you are going to face.

Jul 19, 2009, 11:00 PM // 23:00	#14
eldrethv Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2009 Guild: [DL] Profession: Mo/E	I've VQ'd the southern shiverpeaks. That's H/H in Hardmode. It's clearly possible to get there H/H NM.

Jul 19, 2009, 11:28 PM // 23:28	#16
Bob Slydell Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2007	OP just needs to learn the game, just...like...the...rest...of...us.

Jul 19, 2009, 11:45 PM // 23:45	#19
The Air Revenger Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2008 Guild: Looking For TA Guild! Profession: W/	agro control, take one group on at a time let things recharge and go for the next. Thats the way i did it and i can do pretty much anything like that.