Can Duncan The Black be killed? - Guild Wars Forums

T RAND · Feb 03, 2009, 08:35 PM // 20:35

I'm in Slavers' Exile. I have The Last Hierophant quest. The fifth part of the quest is to destroy Duncan the Black. Duncan the Black has an army of spirits around him. The henchmen are programmed to attack the spirits. They won't attack Duncan. Duncan replaces the spirits just as quickly as the spirits are killed. I tried pulling Duncan many times. He doesn't move. Before I leave, is there something I'm missing in this area that will help to kill Duncan?

warrior running · Feb 03, 2009, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Bring heroes and ppl or call Duncan as it target

dr love · Feb 03, 2009, 08:42 PM // 20:42

i've only heard of it being done with players. one person goes and DIES beside duncan so you can use the necro Signet of Sorrow to kill him. but before u do that, another person uses the sin skill SWAP, to swap out as many spirits as you want to a location where they wont bother you. once you get the spirits out of the way, the necro can just signet him to death while being healed.

Yang Whirlwind · Feb 03, 2009, 09:15 PM // 21:15

Like it has been said, you need to move (not kill) the spirits with Swap.
When they are at locations where they cannot interfere, you go in to kill Duncan himself.

Degen skills like: Suffering, Rotting Flesh, Conjure Nightmare, Shrinking Armor and Summoning PvE skills like Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support combined with protection skills on the characters who have to go close to him, is the way to go.

As always Wiki is good. Don't forget to check the Discussion page for each Dungeon/Quest/Mission (found above the head line) - there's usually good tips to be found there.

Tharg · Feb 03, 2009, 09:52 PM // 21:52

to use signet of sorrow, can you just bring heroes and henchies - flag one hero next to Duncan and let him/her die?

Fragile Feeling · Feb 03, 2009, 09:59 PM // 21:59

The problem with that is the henchies would automatically use their rez on the downed hero. Unless you flagged henchies far back, and used one hero to heal the one that was up beside him. It could work I suppose

kupp · Feb 03, 2009, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by dbulger

i've only heard of it being done with players. one person goes and DIES beside duncan so you can use the necro Signet of Sorrow to kill him. but before u do that, another person uses the sin skill SWAP, to swap out as many spirits as you want to a location where they wont bother you. once you get the spirits out of the way, the necro can just signet him to death while being healed.

I H/H'ed it a few days ago. What I did was bringing Olias as an MM for the whole dungeon but with split atributes into blood.

The trick was flagging him in the spot where spirits can hit him, I went next to Duncan to get myself killed and for the whole time I was microing him to cast [spoil victor][signet of sorrow] and [life siphon] for an added kick. The backfire from his monster spell triggered SV on every SoS hit.

Meanwhile, Talkhora was keeping PS on him the whole time, and Gwen had [unnatural signet] with her every other skilled disabled so she could spam it endlessly, dealing with the spirits in front of the stairs easily. The whole party was flagged a little in the back to avoid Duncan's hit. As for henchies, I took Eve, Cynn and the 2 monks.

It wasn't that slow, maybe 10 minutes? 15, maximum don't recall exactly.

And lucky, found a screenshot I took to celebrate the event

Teutonic Paladin · Feb 03, 2009, 10:03 PM // 22:03

I used the above mentioned strategy to beat Slavers' with H/H.

-Cancel all the res skills
-Kill someone next to him
-Force cast Prot Spirit on your Necromancer
-Flag him somewhere that he can cast on Duncan but not be hit by spirits
-Micro Prot Spirit for 20 minutes
-Win

Raku Clayman · Feb 03, 2009, 10:35 PM // 22:35

The SoS method is the fastest method. Make sure you kill all the touchers.

The way it was done in the beginning, before nobody figured it out, was to just ignore the spirits and everyone rush to Duncan and collectively kill him. Or, you could still swap out the spirits first. They are annoying. You still have to kill the touchers first. The ones on the side of the stage and in behind Duncan.

BTW, facing the stage, you do not need to move the spirits to the left of Duncan. You only need to swap out the ones on the right.

legacyofkain85 · Feb 03, 2009, 10:47 PM // 22:47

all skills that u really want to bring for duncan are:[swap],[spoil victor],[signet of sorrow],[protective spirit].

T RAND · Feb 03, 2009, 11:51 PM // 23:51

Y'all are telling me to use skills that I don't have. So it looks like there's no possible way for me to kill Duncan.

kupp · Feb 04, 2009, 12:34 AM // 00:34

If you don't have the skills though, get them. Or you don't have Factions or NF? In any case, if you can find some way to deal with the spirits, with some smart flaging and plenty of patience I suppose you can kill him in a normal fashion. Swap would be great for that though, the constant spirits respawn makes killing them useless.

ac1inferno · Feb 04, 2009, 01:51 AM // 01:51

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Originally Posted by guildwiki

hints for defeating duncan the black
- now that duncan's defense deals back damage even from such skills as [[pain inverter], [[backfire], [[mistrust], [[guilt], and [[empathy], it is no longer advisable to attack him in this manner. (in the past, these skills were not affected by duncan's defense, and were therefore very effective.)
- all forms of health degeneration can help with getting duncan's health down. He has no defense against [[life transfer], [[life siphon], burning, etc.
- a player with [[swap], [[gaze of fury], or [[unnatural signet] can move his spirits to a much more manageable position or destroy them as necessary. Spirits of [[recuperation] and [[disenchantment] should be considered primary targets, but as long as one is swapping spirits, one may as well swap all of them.
-- consider using [[consume soul] to destroy these spirits instantly.
-- players more commonly use [[swap]. If two party members bring swap, the process is very quick and you can remove all the spirits to a safe spot where they can affect neither duncan nor you.
-- using [[recall] also helps when swapping the spirits near duncan; this way you avoid being spiked by duncan's channeling magic.
- another method to defeat duncan is to let a party member die near him and have a necromancer spam [[signet of sorrow] on him, but remember that the necromancer will take damage from duncan's defense.
- many more pop up touchers are added in hard mode and can be deadly.

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Tearmaker · Feb 04, 2009, 02:13 AM // 02:13

I H/H it a few nights ago.

All my heroes were Ray of Judgment smiters with one being Protection/Smite and one being Healing/Smite, brought Healing and Protection hench, Fire, and Mesmer.

I got the Swap skill and went R/A... Moved all the spirits out of the way and then when I went to kill Duncan... I was in the middle and I flagged the henchies behind me, two heroes back a little to the right and one back a little to the left. Need to spread them out our Duncan's Rift will destroy you.

I hit Duncan with Poison Arrow and Barbed Arrow (bleeding) and then I would micro the smiters to Ray him... he went down pretty fast.

Kerwyn Nasilan · Feb 04, 2009, 03:46 AM // 03:46

The SoS/Swap method works best and has been mentioned earlier and is piss easy.

White_Chaos · Feb 04, 2009, 10:43 AM // 10:43

Can anyone ls tell me how long does his part of the quest take? (dungeon + killing Duncan)

Raven Wing · Feb 04, 2009, 10:59 AM // 10:59

In HM with good team and cons it takes around 30mins to clear the dungeon and 10-20 mins to deal with duncan and his spirits. I tried once with h/h in NM, it took almost 2 hours lol.
So a good team can likely do it all in 30mins.
My best advice is aggro carecully and always run a bit ahead and then back to awaken the popup spirits.
A mob of summit together with 6 toucher spirits can wipe most teams.

Covah · Feb 04, 2009, 04:33 PM // 16:33

Took about 25 min total with 5 rojs 2 melee (me sin and a friend dev hammer) and a UA healer. Just ran up after killing the mobs and spammed RoJ on him. This was in HM as well.

Tearmaker · Feb 04, 2009, 11:06 PM // 23:06

When I H/H it in NM it took about an hour, but that is mostly because using Swap takes time and it was the first time I had ever done it... I was a little unsure on how far to move the spirits so in some cases I probably over did it - lol.

T RAND · Feb 04, 2009, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Went back and killed Duncan today. Swap was the only skill that I had to buy. Put spoil victor and signet of sorrow on Livia. Flagged Olias at Duncan. Had to res him twice because he would take a few steps away from Duncan after getting to the flag. Third time I kept reflagging him so he wouldn't step away from Duncan.

Feb 03, 2009, 08:35 PM // 20:35	#1
T RAND Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Axe Gang Profession: E/	Can Duncan The Black be killed? I'm in Slavers' Exile. I have The Last Hierophant quest. The fifth part of the quest is to destroy Duncan the Black. Duncan the Black has an army of spirits around him. The henchmen are programmed to attack the spirits. They won't attack Duncan. Duncan replaces the spirits just as quickly as the spirits are killed. I tried pulling Duncan many times. He doesn't move. Before I leave, is there something I'm missing in this area that will help to kill Duncan?

Feb 03, 2009, 10:35 PM // 22:35	#9
Raku Clayman Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Marquette MI Guild: Elite Lan Gamer Profession: E/Me	The SoS method is the fastest method. Make sure you kill all the touchers. The way it was done in the beginning, before nobody figured it out, was to just ignore the spirits and everyone rush to Duncan and collectively kill him. Or, you could still swap out the spirits first. They are annoying. You still have to kill the touchers first. The ones on the side of the stage and in behind Duncan. BTW, facing the stage, you do not need to move the spirits to the left of Duncan. You only need to swap out the ones on the right. Last edited by Raku Clayman; Feb 03, 2009 at 10:37 PM // 22:37..

Feb 03, 2009, 08:39 PM // 20:39	#2
warrior running Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2008 Guild: The Cape Is A Lie[Trim] Profession: W/E	Bring heroes and ppl or call Duncan as it target

Feb 03, 2009, 08:42 PM // 20:42	#3
dr love ...is in denial Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hyperion Guild: starcraft 2 Profession: P/Me	i've only heard of it being done with players. one person goes and DIES beside duncan so you can use the necro Signet of Sorrow to kill him. but before u do that, another person uses the sin skill SWAP, to swap out as many spirits as you want to a location where they wont bother you. once you get the spirits out of the way, the necro can just signet him to death while being healed.

Feb 03, 2009, 09:15 PM // 21:15	#4
Yang Whirlwind ~ Retired ~ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark (GMT +1) Profession: E/	Like it has been said, you need to move (not kill) the spirits with Swap. When they are at locations where they cannot interfere, you go in to kill Duncan himself. Degen skills like: Suffering, Rotting Flesh, Conjure Nightmare, Shrinking Armor and Summoning PvE skills like Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support combined with protection skills on the characters who have to go close to him, is the way to go. As always Wiki is good. Don't forget to check the Discussion page for each Dungeon/Quest/Mission (found above the head line) - there's usually good tips to be found there.

Feb 03, 2009, 09:52 PM // 21:52	#5
Tharg Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Massachusetts Guild: Omega Glory Profession: Mo/	to use signet of sorrow, can you just bring heroes and henchies - flag one hero next to Duncan and let him/her die?

Feb 03, 2009, 09:59 PM // 21:59	#6
Fragile Feeling Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2008 Profession: Mo/	The problem with that is the henchies would automatically use their rez on the downed hero. Unless you flagged henchies far back, and used one hero to heal the one that was up beside him. It could work I suppose

Feb 03, 2009, 10:03 PM // 22:03	#8
Teutonic Paladin Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2006 Guild: TW Profession: W/	I used the above mentioned strategy to beat Slavers' with H/H. -Cancel all the res skills -Kill someone next to him -Force cast Prot Spirit on your Necromancer -Flag him somewhere that he can cast on Duncan but not be hit by spirits -Micro Prot Spirit for 20 minutes -Win

Feb 03, 2009, 10:47 PM // 22:47	#10
legacyofkain85 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2006 Guild: Lady Ainowa	all skills that u really want to bring for duncan are:[swap],[spoil victor],[signet of sorrow],[protective spirit].

Feb 03, 2009, 11:51 PM // 23:51	#11
T RAND Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Axe Gang Profession: E/	Y'all are telling me to use skills that I don't have. So it looks like there's no possible way for me to kill Duncan.

Feb 04, 2009, 12:34 AM // 00:34	#12
kupp Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Shiverpeaks Guild: [KISS] Profession: W/	If you don't have the skills though, get them. Or you don't have Factions or NF? In any case, if you can find some way to deal with the spirits, with some smart flaging and plenty of patience I suppose you can kill him in a normal fashion. Swap would be great for that though, the constant spirits respawn makes killing them useless.

Feb 04, 2009, 02:13 AM // 02:13	#14
Tearmaker Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Guild: Sovereign Knights [SK] Profession: R/	I H/H it a few nights ago. All my heroes were Ray of Judgment smiters with one being Protection/Smite and one being Healing/Smite, brought Healing and Protection hench, Fire, and Mesmer. I got the Swap skill and went R/A... Moved all the spirits out of the way and then when I went to kill Duncan... I was in the middle and I flagged the henchies behind me, two heroes back a little to the right and one back a little to the left. Need to spread them out our Duncan's Rift will destroy you. I hit Duncan with Poison Arrow and Barbed Arrow (bleeding) and then I would micro the smiters to Ray him... he went down pretty fast.

Feb 04, 2009, 03:46 AM // 03:46	#15
Kerwyn Nasilan Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: WHERE DO YOU THINK Profession: W/	The SoS/Swap method works best and has been mentioned earlier and is piss easy.

Feb 04, 2009, 10:43 AM // 10:43	#16
White_Chaos Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Evrope	Can anyone ls tell me how long does his part of the quest take? (dungeon + killing Duncan)

Feb 04, 2009, 10:59 AM // 10:59	#17
Raven Wing Jungle Guide Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: The Imperial Guards of Istan [TIGI] Profession: N/	In HM with good team and cons it takes around 30mins to clear the dungeon and 10-20 mins to deal with duncan and his spirits. I tried once with h/h in NM, it took almost 2 hours lol. So a good team can likely do it all in 30mins. My best advice is aggro carecully and always run a bit ahead and then back to awaken the popup spirits. A mob of summit together with 6 toucher spirits can wipe most teams.

Feb 04, 2009, 04:33 PM // 16:33	#18
Covah Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Guild: Catching Jellyfish With [소N트T ] Profession: Me/Rt	Took about 25 min total with 5 rojs 2 melee (me sin and a friend dev hammer) and a UA healer. Just ran up after killing the mobs and spammed RoJ on him. This was in HM as well.

Feb 04, 2009, 11:06 PM // 23:06	#19
Tearmaker Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Guild: Sovereign Knights [SK] Profession: R/	When I H/H it in NM it took about an hour, but that is mostly because using Swap takes time and it was the first time I had ever done it... I was a little unsure on how far to move the spirits so in some cases I probably over did it - lol.

Feb 04, 2009, 11:23 PM // 23:23	#20
T RAND Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Axe Gang Profession: E/	Went back and killed Duncan today. Swap was the only skill that I had to buy. Put spoil victor and signet of sorrow on Livia. Flagged Olias at Duncan. Had to res him twice because he would take a few steps away from Duncan after getting to the flag. Third time I kept reflagging him so he wouldn't step away from Duncan.