Value of Reindeer Tonic Opinions - Guild Wars Forums

Shy Guy · Dec 03, 2009, 12:25 AM // 00:25

Okay well it's obvious that people tend to think of minis much higher value than tonics, seeing there are many more tonics than there are of the mini. But in the Wintersday contest, 20 Everlasting Reindeer tonics will be awarded to the top twenty entries. So my question is: How do you think this tonic will compare to, say the Mini Mad King's Gaurd(~12ke according to offers)

Thanks ^-^

Malice Black · Dec 03, 2009, 12:31 AM // 00:31

On release 1500e+
After xmas ~1000e

Pure guess really, but that's all anyone can do until they hit High End.

Eragon Zarroc · Dec 03, 2009, 12:37 AM // 00:37

arm and a leg+1750e

Malice Black · Dec 03, 2009, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

arm and a leg+1750e

You might be joking, but there is people so desperate for in-game e-peen that they'd offer that of they could.

Verene · Dec 03, 2009, 01:03 AM // 01:03

I'm sure we'll find out come January, when contest winners are announced and get their prizes.

Probably a lot, though.

jonnieboi05 · Dec 03, 2009, 01:52 AM // 01:52

My educated guess would be 10,000-20,000e. Look at the Mad Kings Guard mini... There were VERY little released to the public and there will only be 20 released for the EL tonic.

~LeNa~

Jinkies · Dec 03, 2009, 02:19 AM // 02:19

1500e-2500e maybe. We all know that rarity of the item does not coincide with prices.
Panda, Island Guardian, Vizu, Oni, Naga, Yeti etc are all prime examples that are either too much or too little.

Taking into account the henchman tonics, all of which are unique, I'd say 2500e was pushing the price of the tonic.

Lord Sojar · Dec 03, 2009, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Ok, that is just silly... my god... Ok.. not silly, completely insane. That is entirely too many ecto. Give me 500 ecto and I'll be happy to retire on that... lol

Eragon Zarroc · Dec 03, 2009, 02:40 AM // 02:40

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

My educated guess would be 10,000-20,000e. Look at the Mad Kings Guard mini... There were VERY little released to the public and there will only be 20 released for the EL tonic.

idk, i wouldn't think a tonic would raise that high

it can't be taken into gw2 through HoM like minis can. and 40-80 stacks of ecto is duping suspect if u ask me...

jonnieboi05 · Dec 03, 2009, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

idk, i wouldn't think a tonic would raise that high

it can't be taken into gw2 through HoM like minis can. and 40-80 stacks of ecto is duping suspect if u ask me...

Sorry, you're absolutely right. I completely disregarded the HoM aspect and based my conclusion off of mini pricing.

Having said that, I will reguess and say anywhere between 4,000-6,000e (and can go up or done depending on how much high-end collectors want it).

~LeNa~

Malice Black · Dec 03, 2009, 03:38 AM // 03:38

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Ok, that is just silly... my god... Ok.. not silly, completely insane. That is entirely too many ecto. Give me 500 ecto and I'll be happy to retire on that... lol

Coming from a man that made millions from droks runs and world tours back in the day

LBS hehe how you made us chuckle. The first l33t people in GW.

HawkofStorms · Dec 03, 2009, 04:02 AM // 04:02

Depends.

If a non-everlasting version of this tonic begins dropping this wintersday, then the everlasting one might not be as big of a deal.

If everybody in town has 80 regular reindeer tonics, the desire to buy an everlasting version will be slightly suppressed.

Hyperventilate · Dec 03, 2009, 07:00 AM // 07:00

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Depends.

If a non-everlasting version of this tonic begins dropping this wintersday, then the everlasting one might not be as big of a deal.

If everybody in town has 80 regular reindeer tonics, the desire to buy an everlasting version will be slightly suppressed.

I'd be happy with a non-everlasting version.

But, seriously. I think people will be offering their firstborn children for these tonics.

Quite sad, really. :\

FengShuiDove · Dec 03, 2009, 07:08 AM // 07:08

Compare with the henchman tonics, in my opinion.

So... a lot.

prey monkie · Dec 03, 2009, 11:18 AM // 11:18

who doesnt wanna run around in ur fav game looking like a reindeer especially in the summer^^. i think there are 2 prices. a Before SF nerf + / - 5000e and an after SF nerf when everybody goes nuts about ecto's cuz the rare mat trader sells them for 9k now and people who sit on a shitload of ecto's will not be spending tham as easy as they used 2 so that would make ur tonic be worth around 3500e. BRING IT ON ANET. /Facepalm SF nerf!

Covah · Dec 03, 2009, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Hyperventilate

I'd be happy with a non-everlasting version.

Who knows, maybe normal ones will drop this year with frosty/grentch.

Yawgmoth · Dec 03, 2009, 11:45 PM // 23:45

You can't HoM a tonic, this makes a BIG difference.

If you want a hint at price then go back with memory to when they gave away 27(?) first Everlasting Beetle Juice Tonics - they were extremelly unique items unlike anything else in game, the only existing everlasting tonics with no other way of obtaining them anymore, and they were something very special, not just another tonic.
For the first several moths they were going for like 500-700e (ectos back then at ~8.5k) ... EDIT: it was post lootscaling update so [email protected]

The new ones just can't go for more than 2500e if there are no regular versions, and for more than 1700-2000e if there are some 1-use versions available.

Quaker · Dec 04, 2009, 05:19 PM // 17:19

If you are looking for "opinions" on the "value" of the Reindeer Tonic - my opinion is that Tonics are a worthless gew-gaw that have no "value".

(They do nothing to affect the outcome or advancement of the game, so they have no value.)
Of course, like anything else, they are worth what some sucker will pay for them.

Martin Alvito · Dec 04, 2009, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

On release 1500e+
After xmas ~1000e

Pure guess really, but that's all anyone can do until they hit High End.

I think you underestimate the sheer number of ectos in existence. Way too many people have that and would be willing to bet on an increase rather than a dropoff. But I wholeheartedly agree that all we can do is guess, because we don't know enough.

Jinkies is right about item pricing being determined by the demand side as much as, if not more than, the supply side. Vizu sucks. Let's be honest. You can hardly see her, and so only the hardcore HoM types really want her. The henchman tonics are unique, but again they're just not that cool. As a rule, players want big, noisy, gaudy, flashy, look-at-me-I-am-so-cool things. Having the only item in the game that produces a blah effect is not nearly as desirable as having one of a very few items that produces a district-stopping effect.

There's some information that we still don't have that matters to demand on this tonic. Will the tonic be usable in explorables or just outposts? That'll matter quite a bit to the price. How large will it be? Movement animation? You can't estimate how "cool" it'll be in action from a snapshot.

HoM matters, but I'm willing to bet that not everyone bidding 10k+ ecto on dedicated Pandas is lying, and those don't go in HoM either...

I'd also say that the Mad King's Guard prices have some uncertainty built into them. We can feel reasonably confident that ANet isn't going to dump a bunch more Kanaxais or Pandas into the system. But these rewards might also be the rewards in next year's art contests. And the current pricing reflects that suspicion.

Dec 03, 2009, 12:25 AM // 00:25	#1
Shy Guy Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2009 Guild: ... Profession: W/	Value of Reindeer Tonic Opinions Okay well it's obvious that people tend to think of minis much higher value than tonics, seeing there are many more tonics than there are of the mini. But in the Wintersday contest, 20 Everlasting Reindeer tonics will be awarded to the top twenty entries. So my question is: How do you think this tonic will compare to, say the Mini Mad King's Gaurd(~12ke according to offers) Thanks ^-^

Dec 03, 2009, 12:31 AM // 00:31	#2
Malice Black Site Legend Join Date: Oct 2005	On release 1500e+ After xmas ~1000e Pure guess really, but that's all anyone can do until they hit High End. __________________ Old Skool '05

Dec 03, 2009, 02:31 AM // 02:31	#8
Lord Sojar The Fallen One Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Oblivion Guild: Irrelevant Profession: Mo/Me	Ok, that is just silly... my god... Ok.. not silly, completely insane. That is entirely too many ecto. Give me 500 ecto and I'll be happy to retire on that... lol __________________ We are the Borg

Dec 03, 2009, 11:45 PM // 23:45	#17
Yawgmoth Furnace Stoker Join Date: Apr 2005	You can't HoM a tonic, this makes a BIG difference. If you want a hint at price then go back with memory to when they gave away 27(?) first Everlasting Beetle Juice Tonics - they were extremelly unique items unlike anything else in game, the only existing everlasting tonics with no other way of obtaining them anymore, and they were something very special, not just another tonic. For the first several moths they were going for like 500-700e (ectos back then at ~8.5k) ... EDIT: it was post lootscaling update so [email protected] The new ones just can't go for more than 2500e if there are no regular versions, and for more than 1700-2000e if there are some 1-use versions available. Last edited by Yawgmoth; Dec 04, 2009 at 03:58 AM // 03:58..

Dec 03, 2009, 12:37 AM // 00:37	#3
Eragon Zarroc Atra estern?? ono thelduin Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Madness Incarnate Guild: [Duo] Profession: W/P	arm and a leg+1750e

Dec 03, 2009, 01:03 AM // 01:03	#5
Verene Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jan 2009 Guild: [SOTA] Profession: D/	I'm sure we'll find out come January, when contest winners are announced and get their prizes. Probably a lot, though.

Dec 03, 2009, 01:52 AM // 01:52	#6
jonnieboi05 Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mableton, Georgia Guild: Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]	My educated guess would be 10,000-20,000e. Look at the Mad Kings Guard mini... There were VERY little released to the public and there will only be 20 released for the EL tonic. ~LeNa~

Dec 03, 2009, 02:19 AM // 02:19	#7
Jinkies Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Korea Guild: Peace And Harmony [PnH] War Machine [WM]	1500e-2500e maybe. We all know that rarity of the item does not coincide with prices. Panda, Island Guardian, Vizu, Oni, Naga, Yeti etc are all prime examples that are either too much or too little. Taking into account the henchman tonics, all of which are unique, I'd say 2500e was pushing the price of the tonic.

Dec 03, 2009, 04:02 AM // 04:02	#12
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	Depends. If a non-everlasting version of this tonic begins dropping this wintersday, then the everlasting one might not be as big of a deal. If everybody in town has 80 regular reindeer tonics, the desire to buy an everlasting version will be slightly suppressed.

Dec 03, 2009, 07:08 AM // 07:08	#14
FengShuiDove Forge Runner Join Date: Sep 2007 Guild: Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] Profession: A/	Compare with the henchman tonics, in my opinion. So... a lot.

Dec 03, 2009, 11:18 AM // 11:18	#15
prey monkie Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2009 Guild: [OhNo] Mallyx and Friends Profession: Mo/	who doesnt wanna run around in ur fav game looking like a reindeer especially in the summer^^. i think there are 2 prices. a Before SF nerf + / - 5000e and an after SF nerf when everybody goes nuts about ecto's cuz the rare mat trader sells them for 9k now and people who sit on a shitload of ecto's will not be spending tham as easy as they used 2 so that would make ur tonic be worth around 3500e. BRING IT ON ANET. /Facepalm SF nerf!

Dec 04, 2009, 05:19 PM // 17:19	#18
Quaker Hell's Protector Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Brothers Disgruntled	If you are looking for "opinions" on the "value" of the Reindeer Tonic - my opinion is that Tonics are a worthless gew-gaw that have no "value". (They do nothing to affect the outcome or advancement of the game, so they have no value.) Of course, like anything else, they are worth what some sucker will pay for them.