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Kyolic · Jan 17, 2010, 09:17 AM // 09:17

Hi all,

I am a current wow player (warlock) but being totally frustrated with pvp aspect of the game (people who play it should guess what I mean), I am looking for an other mmorpg which would satisfy my needs. I am only interested in pvp and as far as I heard, Guild Wars is the right mmorpg for this.

I have a question beforehand and it would be great if some of the experienced people would care answering:

Is this game so very gear dependant like wow? If so, is accsessing to good gear is also pain in the neck like wow?

Thanks in advance.

bsoltan · Jan 17, 2010, 09:26 AM // 09:26

No, accessing perfect gear is extremely easy for PvP characters.

For PvP you can unlock equipment using the faction you earn from winning PvP matches, you can then use this equipment on your PvP characters. The equipment is also unlocked account wide for all PvP characters so the next one you make will have access from the start.
Once players get the equipment unlocked you are at the same level as every other player as there are no better weapons or armour than what is available from unlocks.

When you start PvP you will already have armour and weapons available to you, the only thing you need to unlock are modifiers for these weapons and armour.

As an aside if you do try the PvE aspect of the game, anything you identify and unlock that way also unlocks account wide for PvP.

Oh, if you really want there is a PvP Equipment unlock pack which will unlock all the gear for you at a small cost of RL money, I'm not sure how much it is though but that makes for a quicker way of getting access to the equipment.

Also note that you will be wanting to use the faction you earn in PvP to unlock skills as well as equipment.

Zodiac Meteor · Jan 17, 2010, 09:34 AM // 09:34

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Originally Posted by Kyolic

Hi all,

I am a current wow player (warlock) but being totally frustrated with pvp aspect of the game (people who play it should guess what I mean), I am looking for an other mmorpg which would satisfy my needs. I am only interested in pvp and as far as I heard, Guild Wars is the right mmorpg for this.

I have a question beforehand and it would be great if some of the experienced people would care answering:

Is this game so very gear dependant like wow? If so, is accessing to good gear is also pain in the neck like wow?

Thanks in advance.

Guild Wars PvP is... different in some what of a bad way.
It is split into low-end and high-end areas.
Low end list:
Random Arena's
Alliance Battles
Fort Aspenwood and Jade Quarry

High end list:
Guild Battles
Codex Arena's
Heroes Ascent

Low end is a okay way to start off, but you WILL need to PvE if you don't want to buy the PvP Packs.
High End is broken sadly. Putting it simply, you suck, you don't play.
To jump into high end you will need all 4 games, nearly every skill and item unlocked for hard-core PvP.
There is still some guilds that are welcoming people to join to start PvPing in high end. Don't expend flawless win streaks, but do expect having fun trying new things.

What is great about Guild Wars, it takes an average player 6 or 7 hours to get to max level, max armor and strongest weapon in PvE. In PvP that's all done for you instantly. Also compared to WoW PvP in Guild Wars is all about fast reactions, reading your opponent and future timing. You will get to know this really well playing as a monk.

I'm not saying you will love the PvP, but you can't really go wrong as you can get 3 games for $50 and not have to pay a subscription.

WARNING: Get used to the controls and layout before jumping right into PvP. Simply PvE a little, A lot of stupid tactics is formed by not knowing what to do.

Kyolic · Jan 17, 2010, 10:08 AM // 10:08

Perfect!

Thank you for your answers guys.

So which unlock pack should I buy and how much would it cost?

Tbh, spending some bucks on the pack and getting accsess to everything instantly makes better sense to me.

branamanp · Jan 17, 2010, 11:06 AM // 11:06

all of the unlock packs are 9.99
there is the equipment pack for all your armors and then there are 5 skill unlock packs
core, prof, factions, nightfall, and eotn
so if you dont want to have to bother with unlocking in game from faction gained it will cost you around $60.
also there are 2 options for buying the game
if you are completely sure you dont want to do any pve you can get just the pvp version or you can buy all 4 so you can get all the skills.
you an also find the games cheaper if you shop around online and get them indavidualy instead of getting the trilogy

Pugs Not Drugs · Jan 17, 2010, 02:07 PM // 14:07

If you do get the PvP pack, I would not jump into high end PvP just yet. I would first do lots and lots of low end PvP and find a position you like and get comfortable with the bars. Then I would find a good, active, and low pressure guild to get used to GvG or HA with.

Obrien Xp · Jan 17, 2010, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Guild was is skill based, gear is easy to get, the more you pay the better it LOOKS. In pvp it is even easier to get good gear.

Welcome to gw enjoy.

Kyolic · Jan 17, 2010, 10:53 PM // 22:53

Thank you for the replies and warm welcome guys.

Now if I buy:

Guild Wars?? PvP Access Kit

https://secure.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/St...tem;item_id=62

Will I need to buy some unlock packs too?

bsoltan · Jan 17, 2010, 11:43 PM // 23:43

Yep, that will give you a few items.

However you'll also need this if you want all the equipment unlocks: PvP Item Unlock Pack

Plus all the separate skill packs if you want those too.

Kyolic · Jan 18, 2010, 12:03 AM // 00:03

Hmm...

1- Guild Wars?? PvP Access Kit

https://secure.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/St...tem;item_id=62

2- PvP Item Unlock Pack

https://secure.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/St...tem&item_id=98

3- Core Skill Unlock Pack

https://secure.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/St...&item_id=10 0

I don't need anything else at all right?

Dytonis Strom · Jan 18, 2010, 12:58 AM // 00:58

Either way you should deffinetly settle for GW for pvp i dont like wow pvp anyways ^_^

Stealth Bomberman · Jan 18, 2010, 01:40 AM // 01:40

big difference in wow and gw pvp. gw pvp u can move and fight at the same time =). hopefully this changes somewhat in gw2

Dzjudz · Jan 18, 2010, 02:11 AM // 02:11

Core skill are not all skills! Core skills are skills that can be found in all 3 campaigns (prophecies, factions and nightfall). This is only a portion of all skills.

glacialphoenix · Jan 18, 2010, 07:01 AM // 07:01

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I don't need anything else at all right?

Yes, yes you do. Dzjudz just said it - core skills are skills that can be found in all three campaigns (e.g. Word of Healing, Mind Burn, Barrage...) You won't get very far with just those - you're going to need Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall skills as well.

Kyolic · Jan 18, 2010, 08:58 AM // 08:58

Ok then can somebody tell me what to buy exactly if I want to have all skills and gear available at once?

My latest guess is this:

1- Guild Wars?? Trilogy

https://secure.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/St...&item_id=11 0

2- PvP Item Unlock Pack

https://secure.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/St...tem&item_id=98

3- Core Skill Unlock Pack

https://secure.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/St...&item_id=10 0

Or I don't need Core Skill Unlock Pack when I buy #1 and #2?

glacialphoenix · Jan 18, 2010, 09:14 AM // 09:14

You're going to need all the unlock packs - look here, wiki has a list of the skills they unlock.

EDIT: I'm not sure if the campaign packs overlap with the Core one, though, someone else should confirm it.

Also, number of skills in each campaign here, and FAQ from the GW main site here.

If you already have all the campaigns, you probably won't need the PvP Access Kit; if you're just starting, you may also find it more worthwhile to just play a few characters through the game to unlock stuff and get used to the system that way.

Kyolic · Jan 18, 2010, 09:23 AM // 09:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

You're going to need all the unlock packs - look here, wiki has a list of the skills they unlock.

EDIT: I'm not sure if the campaign packs overlap with the Core one, though, someone else should confirm it.

In that case game will cost me about 90??? (130$).

glacialphoenix · Jan 18, 2010, 09:25 AM // 09:25

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Originally Posted by Kyolic

In that case game will cost me about 90??? (130$).

That's if you're getting everything by buying the unlock packs. If the campaigns as a whole are cheaper, it's probably more worthwhile to get the campaigns + eye of the north, play through them, unlock skills that way - once one character learns a new skill, it's considered unlocked and usable by all heroes and all PvP characters of that profession.

It also drops the need for a PvP access kit, since you'll get access to PvP from buying the campaigns; you'll also have PvE if you want to take a break from PvP.

Neky · Jan 18, 2010, 10:14 AM // 10:14

Buy the trilogy, play PVE with 3-4 toons to get to know the mechanics of the game and all that.

In this way you:

1. Save RL money.
2. Find your favorite profession to PVP with.
3. Unlock 70% of skills/weapon/armor mods (Unlock=make it available for every PVP toon on the same account, as well as available for heroes on the same acc)
4. Enjoy the fine game of Guild Wars.

Not as fast as "buy buy buy" but much more enjoyable and also cheaper.

Nechrond · Jan 18, 2010, 11:16 AM // 11:16

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Originally Posted by Neky

Buy the trilogy, play PVE

THIS

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with 3-4 toons to get to know the mechanics of the game and all that.

In this way you:

1. Save RL money.
2. Find your favorite profession to PVP with.
3. Unlock 70% of skills/weapon/armor mods (Unlock=make it available for every PVP toon on the same account, as well as available for heroes on the same acc)
4. Enjoy the fine game of Guild Wars.

Not as fast as "buy buy buy" but much more enjoyable and also cheaper.

Or just build a PvE monk, unlock a bunch of monk skills in PvE, then build a PvP monk and do RA. You'll get lots of wins because your team will have a monk and over half the time, theirs won't. Wins = faction points = m0ar unlocks. You'll have fun doing it, you'll get a sense of satisfaction out of it because you're improving your future characters, and you'll save money.

Jan 17, 2010, 10:53 PM // 22:53	#8
Kyolic Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jan 2010	Thank you for the replies and warm welcome guys. Now if I buy: Guild Wars?? PvP Access Kit https://secure.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/St...tem;item_id=62 Will I need to buy some unlock packs too? Last edited by Kyolic; Jan 17, 2010 at 10:57 PM // 22:57..

Jan 18, 2010, 08:58 AM // 08:58	#15
Kyolic Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jan 2010	Ok then can somebody tell me what to buy exactly if I want to have all skills and gear available at once? My latest guess is this: 1- Guild Wars?? Trilogy https://secure.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/St...&item_id=11 0 2- PvP Item Unlock Pack https://secure.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/St...tem&item_id=98 3- Core Skill Unlock Pack https://secure.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/St...&item_id=10 0 Or I don't need Core Skill Unlock Pack when I buy #1 and #2? Last edited by Kyolic; Jan 18, 2010 at 09:09 AM // 09:09..

Jan 18, 2010, 09:14 AM // 09:14	#16
glacialphoenix Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Singapore Guild: Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL] Profession: Mo/	You're going to need all the unlock packs - look here, wiki has a list of the skills they unlock. EDIT: I'm not sure if the campaign packs overlap with the Core one, though, someone else should confirm it. Also, number of skills in each campaign here, and FAQ from the GW main site here. If you already have all the campaigns, you probably won't need the PvP Access Kit; if you're just starting, you may also find it more worthwhile to just play a few characters through the game to unlock stuff and get used to the system that way. Last edited by glacialphoenix; Jan 18, 2010 at 09:22 AM // 09:22..

Jan 17, 2010, 09:17 AM // 09:17	#1
Kyolic Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jan 2010	Newbie question Hi all, I am a current wow player (warlock) but being totally frustrated with pvp aspect of the game (people who play it should guess what I mean), I am looking for an other mmorpg which would satisfy my needs. I am only interested in pvp and as far as I heard, Guild Wars is the right mmorpg for this. I have a question beforehand and it would be great if some of the experienced people would care answering: Is this game so very gear dependant like wow? If so, is accsessing to good gear is also pain in the neck like wow? Thanks in advance.

Jan 17, 2010, 09:26 AM // 09:26	#2
bsoltan Site Contributor Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK Guild: [SoF]	No, accessing perfect gear is extremely easy for PvP characters. For PvP you can unlock equipment using the faction you earn from winning PvP matches, you can then use this equipment on your PvP characters. The equipment is also unlocked account wide for all PvP characters so the next one you make will have access from the start. Once players get the equipment unlocked you are at the same level as every other player as there are no better weapons or armour than what is available from unlocks. When you start PvP you will already have armour and weapons available to you, the only thing you need to unlock are modifiers for these weapons and armour. As an aside if you do try the PvE aspect of the game, anything you identify and unlock that way also unlocks account wide for PvP. Oh, if you really want there is a PvP Equipment unlock pack which will unlock all the gear for you at a small cost of RL money, I'm not sure how much it is though but that makes for a quicker way of getting access to the equipment. Also note that you will be wanting to use the faction you earn in PvP to unlock skills as well as equipment. Last edited by bsoltan; Jan 17, 2010 at 09:28 AM // 09:28..

Jan 17, 2010, 10:08 AM // 10:08	#4
Kyolic Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jan 2010	Perfect! Thank you for your answers guys. So which unlock pack should I buy and how much would it cost? Tbh, spending some bucks on the pack and getting accsess to everything instantly makes better sense to me.

Jan 17, 2010, 11:06 AM // 11:06	#5
branamanp Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Oct 2008 Guild: [MOB] Profession: A/	all of the unlock packs are 9.99 there is the equipment pack for all your armors and then there are 5 skill unlock packs core, prof, factions, nightfall, and eotn so if you dont want to have to bother with unlocking in game from faction gained it will cost you around $60. also there are 2 options for buying the game if you are completely sure you dont want to do any pve you can get just the pvp version or you can buy all 4 so you can get all the skills. you an also find the games cheaper if you shop around online and get them indavidualy instead of getting the trilogy

Jan 17, 2010, 02:07 PM // 14:07	#6
Pugs Not Drugs Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2009	If you do get the PvP pack, I would not jump into high end PvP just yet. I would first do lots and lots of low end PvP and find a position you like and get comfortable with the bars. Then I would find a good, active, and low pressure guild to get used to GvG or HA with.

Jan 17, 2010, 05:52 PM // 17:52	#7
Obrien Xp Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Guild: The First Dragon Slayers [FDS]	Guild was is skill based, gear is easy to get, the more you pay the better it LOOKS. In pvp it is even easier to get good gear. Welcome to gw enjoy.

Jan 17, 2010, 11:43 PM // 23:43	#9
bsoltan Site Contributor Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK Guild: [SoF]	Yep, that will give you a few items. However you'll also need this if you want all the equipment unlocks: PvP Item Unlock Pack Plus all the separate skill packs if you want those too.

Jan 18, 2010, 12:03 AM // 00:03	#10
Kyolic Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jan 2010	Hmm... 1- Guild Wars?? PvP Access Kit https://secure.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/St...tem;item_id=62 2- PvP Item Unlock Pack https://secure.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/St...tem&item_id=98 3- Core Skill Unlock Pack https://secure.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/St...&item_id=10 0 I don't need anything else at all right?

Jan 18, 2010, 12:58 AM // 00:58	#11
Dytonis Strom Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: PA, USofA Guild: The Funny People Profession: E/A	Either way you should deffinetly settle for GW for pvp i dont like wow pvp anyways ^_^

Jan 18, 2010, 01:40 AM // 01:40	#12
Stealth Bomberman Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2008	big difference in wow and gw pvp. gw pvp u can move and fight at the same time =). hopefully this changes somewhat in gw2

Jan 18, 2010, 02:11 AM // 02:11	#13
Dzjudz Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz	Core skill are not all skills! Core skills are skills that can be found in all 3 campaigns (prophecies, factions and nightfall). This is only a portion of all skills.

Jan 18, 2010, 10:14 AM // 10:14	#19
Neky Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2009 Guild: Incredible Edible Bookah [YUM] Profession: D/W	Buy the trilogy, play PVE with 3-4 toons to get to know the mechanics of the game and all that. In this way you: 1. Save RL money. 2. Find your favorite profession to PVP with. 3. Unlock 70% of skills/weapon/armor mods (Unlock=make it available for every PVP toon on the same account, as well as available for heroes on the same acc) 4. Enjoy the fine game of Guild Wars. Not as fast as "buy buy buy" but much more enjoyable and also cheaper.