Protective Bond and SY - Guild Wars Forums

Lukyboy · May 18, 2010, 03:44 PM // 15:44

I'm sorry if this question has been asked before. I couldn't find the info.

In some team builds I've seen ER prot ele's with protective bond coupled with physicals using SY

I was wondering how those 2 skills work together though

Will Protective bond's damage reduction apply first? and then the extra damage reduction as a result of the +100 armor

Or will SY trigger first, reducing damage to a point where protective bond will not trigger. Or maybe SY reduces damage, yet not enough so that prot bond still triggers (basicly making SY a waste of a skill slot)

So yeah... how do they work together?

Dzjudz · May 18, 2010, 04:02 PM // 16:02

PB reduces damage.
Damage is calculated by effective dmg x defensive adjustment (meaning initial dmg x armor level).

So armor (with SY) is taken into consideration first and the damage is then reduced by PB.

Do the bonders bond everyone in the team? If so, SY is only used if the bonds are stripped. If not, SY is used on members who are not bonded.

FoxBat · May 18, 2010, 04:25 PM // 16:25

More likely prot bond is just insurance for when SY! isn't up for whatever reason.

Bristlebane · May 18, 2010, 04:38 PM // 16:38

SY doesn't protect the user which is probably the frontliner pumping adrenaline, so most likely a prot bond on this player only.

Eragon Zarroc · May 18, 2010, 04:42 PM // 16:42

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

SY doesn't protect the user which is probably the frontliner pumping adrenaline, so most likely a prot bond on this player only.

he said that the monks were specifically bonding the ele's too though.

Reformed · May 18, 2010, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

More likely prot bond is just insurance for when SY! isn't up for whatever reason.

It's the exact opposite of this actually...SY! is there in case you have a catastrophic/deep strip like Chilblains, Mirror of Disenchantment or Rend.

Lukyboy · May 18, 2010, 04:50 PM // 16:50

Quick replies

tyvm!

Dzjudz · May 18, 2010, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

he said that the monks were specifically bonding the ele's too though.

The bonders are eles, outprotting and outhealing any monk out there.

ElnoreVarda · May 18, 2010, 08:18 PM // 20:18

As someone already said, PB is for when SY isnt up (SY usually reduces the damage to so low numbers PB wont trigger). PB also take cares of armor ignoring damage.

PB in general PvE usually means ER bonders, so I assume thats what youre talking about. The ER usually bonds everyone, depending on area and what other defenses you have. The more often PB triggers, the harder it will be to keep up.

PB and SY dont synergize in any particular way, its just layered defense.

Age · May 18, 2010, 08:39 PM // 20:39

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

PB reduces damage.
Damage is calculated by effective dmg x defensive adjustment (meaning initial dmg x armor level).

So armor (with SY) is taken into consideration first and the damage is then reduced by PB.

Do the bonders bond everyone in the team? If so, SY is only used if the bonds are stripped. If not, SY is used on members who are not bonded.

Bonds are only thrown on the frontines not the entire team and I would use lifebond.

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The bonders are eles, outprotting and outhealing any monk out there.

They do not as they can't use blessed signet or even boon signet as Bonders are best done on primary Monk.

Dzjudz · May 18, 2010, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by Age

Bonds are only thrown on the frontines not the entire team and I would use lifebond.

They do not as they can't use blessed signet or even boon signet as Bonders are best done on primary Monk.

I suggest you read the link I posted in my previous post (which you omitted in your quote).

Age · May 18, 2010, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

I suggest you read the link I posted in my previous post (which you omitted in your quote).

You mean the pvx build this one is betterbuild although I would go withAoFwhich is better for the elite slot.

AtomicMew · May 19, 2010, 01:28 AM // 01:28

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Originally Posted by Age

You mean the pvx build this one is betterbuild although I would go withAoFwhich is better for the elite slot.

Age: you quite clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've just been away from GW for a little while. So - I strongly suggest you try to get up to speed on meta before posting any more.

Luminarus · May 19, 2010, 02:39 AM // 02:39

ER Monks are the most overpowered heal build out there... they can heal and prot probably better then a team of 8 monks could due to the insane energy, self heals, and damage reduction available to them from ER & like 3 enchantments.

Age · May 19, 2010, 08:13 AM // 08:13

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Originally Posted by trcvrs

Age: you quite clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've just been away from GW for a little while. So - I strongly suggest you try to get up to speed on meta before posting any more.

Believe me I do know what I am talking about the rhe less energy you have as I have base of 48 the better the regen is and with -2 pips which you will have.You will have hard time regaining it.it is better to use your elite slot on something else other than ER that will keep someone alive.

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ER Monks are the most overpowered heal build out there... they can heal and prot probably better then a team of 8 monks could due to the insane energy, self heals, and damage reduction available to them from ER & like 3 enchantments.

There is no such thing as ER Monks and they could replace 8 Monks if they wanted to and I play and Ele as well and take me some time re gain my. energy back.It would much better for an Ele to be the resser with renew life instead so the Monk doesn't have to res.

Does this mean Monks can nuke now or play the role of an Ele.

**Marty Silverblade** · May 19, 2010, 08:38 AM // 08:38

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Originally Posted by Age

Believe me I do know what I am talking about the rhe less energy you have as I have base of 48 the better the regen is and with -2 pips which you will have.

Regen on an ER is irrelevant. When the ER Ele casts a spell, they'll get at least 12 energy back, potentially much much more than that. When you consider all the sub 1 second casting time spells they usually take, their energy is literally limitless. ER's don't maintain until -2 energy regen because they need to. They do it because they can, and could do more if they wanted.

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You will have hard time regaining it.it is better to use your elite slot on something else other than ER that will keep someone alive.

ER means you can cast the biggest heal for free (both health and energy wise) on no recharge. That, in addition to PS/SB on recharge, counts for 'keeping people alive' as far as I'm concerned.

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It would much better for an Ele to be the resser with renew life instead so the Monk doesn't have to res.

The last slot of an ER Ele's bar is more valuable than one on a Monks. Besides, the argument is redundant because there are other midliners to put rezzes on.

Xenomortis · May 19, 2010, 09:34 AM // 09:34

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Originally Posted by Age

Bonds are only thrown on the frontines not the entire team and I would use lifebond.

Protective Bond can (and often is) thrown on everybody if there are two ERs. If there is only one I wouldn't advocate PB but it can be run and one should be able to maintain 4 to 6.
Negative energy generation is of no concern to an ER Elementalist when they can maintain a skill that should be granting them at least 16 energy every time they cast a spell (and they can easily get more than that). If they cast a spell every 3 seconds that becomes equivalent to 16+ pips of regeneration (17 with Aura and much, much more when enchantments start getting stacked everywhere and they start spamming).

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Originally Posted by Age

Does this mean Monks can nuke now or play the role of an Ele.

But why would they want to do that? Besides, Ray of Judgement is popular and I can't imagine it being significantly worse than the popular nuking options Eles have open to them.
All an Ele has is support.

Bristlebane · May 19, 2010, 10:04 AM // 10:04

I tested ER for fun before, managed to maintain 14 bonds and -10 energy regen. That was fun :-) Although wouldn't have very practical with so many bonds of course.

Dzjudz · May 19, 2010, 11:26 AM // 11:26

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Originally Posted by Age

Believe me I do know what I am talking about the rhe less energy you have as I have base of 48 the better the regen is and with -2 pips which you will have.You will have hard time regaining it.it is better to use your elite slot on something else other than ER that will keep someone alive.

There is no such thing as ER Monks and they could replace 8 Monks if they wanted to and I play and Ele as well and take me some time re gain my. energy back.It would much better for an Ele to be the resser with renew life instead so the Monk doesn't have to res.

Does this mean Monks can nuke now or play the role of an Ele.

I'm starting to think you are just trolling but I'll try one more time.

Imagine this:
- being able to maintain protective bond (a souped up version of protective spirit that mitigates more damage and is everlasting) on most if not all team members without energy problems.
- being able to continuously spam other prots and heals without energy problems.
- being able to spam, literally SPAM SPAM SPAM, infuse health for uber healz without any energy or health problems.

Now imagine the build you posted saying it's better:
- you can't bond as many.
- you can only mitigate about 75% dmg with 2 bonds instead of 95% with just one bond.
- after a few bonds, all you can do for your team is idle, don't use any other energy intensive spells, only spamming blessed signet on recharge.
- you really really need another monk to make red bars go back up.

Seriously, can't you see any advantages to the ER infuse ele?

Erys Vasburg · May 19, 2010, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

I'm starting to think you are just trolling but I'll try one more time.

He's just legitimately ridiculous. Don't bother trying to educate him; the rest of us gave up years ago.

May 18, 2010, 03:44 PM // 15:44	#1
Lukyboy Elite Guru Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: The Mirror of Reason [SNOW] Profession: D/A	Protective Bond and SY I'm sorry if this question has been asked before. I couldn't find the info. In some team builds I've seen ER prot ele's with protective bond coupled with physicals using SY I was wondering how those 2 skills work together though Will Protective bond's damage reduction apply first? and then the extra damage reduction as a result of the +100 armor Or will SY trigger first, reducing damage to a point where protective bond will not trigger. Or maybe SY reduces damage, yet not enough so that prot bond still triggers (basicly making SY a waste of a skill slot) So yeah... how do they work together?

May 18, 2010, 04:02 PM // 16:02	#2
Dzjudz Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz	PB reduces damage. Damage is calculated by effective dmg x defensive adjustment (meaning initial dmg x armor level). So armor (with SY) is taken into consideration first and the damage is then reduced by PB. Do the bonders bond everyone in the team? If so, SY is only used if the bonds are stripped. If not, SY is used on members who are not bonded.

May 18, 2010, 04:25 PM // 16:25	#3
FoxBat Furnace Stoker Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: Amazon Basin [AB] Profession: Mo/Me	More likely prot bond is just insurance for when SY! isn't up for whatever reason.

May 18, 2010, 04:38 PM // 16:38	#4
Bristlebane Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2008 Profession: Mo/	SY doesn't protect the user which is probably the frontliner pumping adrenaline, so most likely a prot bond on this player only.

May 18, 2010, 04:50 PM // 16:50	#7
Lukyboy Elite Guru Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: The Mirror of Reason [SNOW] Profession: D/A	Quick replies tyvm!

May 18, 2010, 08:18 PM // 20:18	#9
ElnoreVarda Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2008 Profession: E/	As someone already said, PB is for when SY isnt up (SY usually reduces the damage to so low numbers PB wont trigger). PB also take cares of armor ignoring damage. PB in general PvE usually means ER bonders, so I assume thats what youre talking about. The ER usually bonds everyone, depending on area and what other defenses you have. The more often PB triggers, the harder it will be to keep up. PB and SY dont synergize in any particular way, its just layered defense.

May 19, 2010, 02:39 AM // 02:39	#14
Luminarus Furnace Stoker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Guild: Haze of Light [pure] Profession: R/	ER Monks are the most overpowered heal build out there... they can heal and prot probably better then a team of 8 monks could due to the insane energy, self heals, and damage reduction available to them from ER & like 3 enchantments.

May 19, 2010, 10:04 AM // 10:04	#18
Bristlebane Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2008 Profession: Mo/	I tested ER for fun before, managed to maintain 14 bonds and -10 energy regen. That was fun :-) Although wouldn't have very practical with so many bonds of course.