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pumpkin pie · Jun 12, 2010, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

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You call syncing a crime, i call it a necessity for the higher ranked gladiators.
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If someone is higher ranked gladiators, shouldn't they already be good in RA?

If someone thinking they are higher ranked, but cannot even cope in a lower ranked arena, how the hell they deserved the higher ranked title?

And why do you ask the question? You seem to have already formed an opinion on the subject.

The thing is, everyone can play RA, get wins equally easily when everyone abides by the rules of entering RA RANDOMLY WITHOUT SYNC. Because some small population of scumbags discovered sync, TA was remove because RA was overrun with Sync team resulting in - players who do not sync, can't play, and no one even wants to attempt TA because RA sync was much easier.

ArenaNet did not cause TA to be remove, synchers did. and now you want to resort to sync?

I can see it now, RA removed, and Gladiator title removed. Is that what you want? Like Heroes Battle.

pinkeyflower · Jun 12, 2010, 03:08 PM // 15:08

Really? I thought TA was removed because of the 'broken meta'.

pumpkin pie · Jun 12, 2010, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by pinkeyflower

Really? I thought TA was removed because of the 'broken meta'.

What broken meta?

If there's a broken meta, whats the different of bringing the broken meta and sync into RA? no different.

Terrible Surgeon · Jun 14, 2010, 08:49 AM // 08:49

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Originally Posted by Swahnee

The title isn't meant to be maxed

Really, who told you that? In comparison to HERO rank and CHAMP rank it is about the same. Given not everyone is in a 1200 rating guild. However, i think this is your opinion that it is not meant to be maxed. If you are a hardcore pvper rather than a casual pvper or pver you could have maxed it pretty easy by now if TA was never removed.
What about other titles like the wisdom title track in pve, that title being maximized seems more unattainable that gladiator. However, people can buy rank in pve. Thisis exactly why title should not have been introduced like the wisdom title. If you can buy a title, it is not meaningful and carries no weight with the community.
People syncing are not buying their title, they still need to win and often do lose even though they get a good sync.

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

The thing is, everyone can play RA, get wins equally easily when everyone abides by the rules of entering RA RANDOMLY WITHOUT SYNC. Because some small population of scumbags discovered sync, TA was remove because RA was overrun with Sync team resulting in - players who do not sync, can't play, and no one even wants to attempt TA because RA sync was much easier.

ArenaNet did not cause TA to be remove, synchers did. and now you want to resort to sync?

You think everyone gets wins equally if they enter "correctly?" Give me a break. You are way off on that claim. A total noob entering RA has a lower chance of getting wins and lowers his teams chance of getting wins. You are assuming everyone is on the same skill level, that would be the only way to say everyone gets the same chance of winning. And no, Skill level is not equally and randomly allocated in RA. Can you randomly allocate skill level in an equal manner? LMFAO...that's just dumb to think.
TA was removed because of broken Meta, syncers were not the leading cause of it being removed. Also, i can think of bigger scumbags in the game. At the least, the syncers in RA just upping their chances of having a monk on their team. For example, 4 people try to sync, if two of those people end up on the same team they are lucky. Why play for 2 hours non-stop to end up MAYBE getting 1 glad point?
Honestly, every title needs removed from the game, all you GWAMMS can cry a river, title are the only thing keeping this game alive. They give people a reason to log on and grind. People are bored with this game. If it weren't for the shinies and titles and guild ranks this game would be in a far worse state than it is now. I say this because, when you beat a campaign it is like beating any game whether it is mario or god of war, you are done with it. Titles however keep people coming back....shiny RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing shit keeps people coming back.
Remove the exploits from the game, i'm all for that. Make the titles more player friendly, im all for that. Make pvp a team effort, i'm all for that too.

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

What broken meta?

If there's a broken meta, whats the different of bringing the broken meta and sync into RA? no different.

Obviously you didn't play Ta too often. It was like playing the same team over and over again. Day in and day out it was like that until the next skill update.
Whats the difference now between broken meta and syncing? Are you serious? This is a question? I think you need to pvp more before you come into a pvp thread acting like you know everything. It would make you sound smarter or at least make it sound like you know wtf yo are talking about.

Swahnee · Jun 14, 2010, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

Really, who told you that? In comparison to HERO rank and CHAMP rank it is about the same. Given not everyone is in a 1200 rating guild. However, i think this is your opinion that it is not meant to be maxed. If you are a hardcore pvper rather than a casual pvper or pver you could have maxed it pretty easy by now if TA was never removed.
What about other titles like the wisdom title track in pve, that title being maximized seems more unattainable that gladiator. However, people can buy rank in pve. Thisis exactly why title should not have been introduced like the wisdom title. If you can buy a title, it is not meaningful and carries no weight with the community.
People syncing are not buying their title, they still need to win and often do lose even though they get a good sync.

Yes, i can't prove that the glad title isn't meant to be maxed, i come to this conclusion when i think about the amount of points needed to max it, compared to the difficulty of earning those points, and the fact that, if i'm not mistaken, the glad title seemed to be used mainly to distinguish "good" players from "bad" ones (well, maybe "experienced" is a better adjective), rather than to maintain people busy. A similar thing can be said for the other PvP titles. Maybe if ANet had foreseen these issues, they would have implemented not maxable titles: the higher your level is, the more experienced you are in other people's eyes, end of the story.

However, if your idea that it makes sense for the glad title to be maxed (you didn't openly said that, i'm assuming it, i don't want to put words in your mouth

) comes from a comparison with the PvE side of the title world, well, i have to completely disagree with you.

I remember that, back in 2007 when i started playing, HM was fresh new and having rank 2 KoaBD was worth of admiration, there weren't any "max title" syndrome. Titles like kurzick, luxon, wisdom, treasure hunter etc. were maxed only by a few people with a lot of time on their hands (or at least, this was my impression, correct me if i'm wrong). Amongst the people i knew at that time, nobody thought that spending tons of hours grinding to max those titles could have some sense. People in PvE did missions, fow/uw, new hm missions and vanquishes, rolled new chars etc.

The "max title", "GWAMM" syndrome started after EotN and all the new titles that made maxing the KoaBD title an achievable aim (also for "normal" people). So the focus of a lot of people (and i saw this clearly in my guild) switched from playing to enjoy the PvE content, to playing to grind titles, and maxing also the "long" ones started to be a normal thing. From that moment, it became rather impossible to play only for fun. People did HM only if they needed it for the titles (finding help became much harder than before), when HFFF was discovered (that which consisted on putting flags on the local map) a lot of people became really addicted to it. There were no more uw/fow runs, except from time to time, sorrow's furnace totally disappeared, etc. I know this very well, because at that time i was addicted too.

All this wall of text, in the end, is to try to explain why i think that the "long" titles, originally weren't meant to be maxed (at least for the majority of players), and how they stopped to be like that when people started to realize that with the new EotN titles the epic eliteness of the mighty GWAMM title was at their reach.

Apparently, then, the max title syndrome has started to infect also the PvP side of the world, and people (not only the most addicted ones) started to think that it would have been nice to try to max also the hero, gladiator, etc.. titles. Not to mention HoM. However, this is only an assumption, in fact i'm really curious to know, as far as you remember, if the sync problem and the rush for glad points were present with this virulence also before all this "max title" crazyness.

From my point of view, then, i really don't think that the wisdom title (for example) in PvE is more difficult to be maxed than the glad one. You are right when you say that to achieve glad points at least people have to work, because to max the wisdom one the only thing you need is Grind Endurance. I farmed luxon assassins in spring 2008 for 2-3 months passing from 200 identified gold to 5000 more or less, with minimal inputs from my brain, because the run was ridiculously easy. I really can't believe that somebody could work for half the glad title in some months, no matter how hard he works, and no matter if TA is even present (maybe i didn't played TA enough, though). I remember some time ago the news of the first person who maxed the HA title. How many people have maxed it now? Shall we, looking at that number, think that maxing those kind of titles isn't something for very few people, but instead it's accessible to the average PvPer? If not, i wouldn't use as an argument something that is true only for very few people.

I also agree with you when you say that the opportunity of buying a title makes it meaningless. If the glad title have to mean that someone has some "team-play experience", then it's perfectly right that people wanting to achieve that title have to work, and not to buy it. But this, unfortunately, doesn't allow people to try to speed up their rush for the title playing RA "not randomly", when other people instead accept the characteristic of the format, and for this reason they get a disadvantage in relation to people who sync. I fully agree that there should be a place where people can play 4v4 seriously, but its absence now doesn't allow anybody to screw up the random format we are left with, in my opinion.

Neo Nugget · Jun 14, 2010, 05:04 PM // 17:04

I just realized there are two topics on syncing. If you want to continue the discussion, you can go post in this thread in Riverside.

Closed.

Jun 14, 2010, 05:04 PM // 17:04	#26
Neo Nugget Site Contributor Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: R/	I just realized there are two topics on syncing. If you want to continue the discussion, you can go post in this thread in Riverside. Closed. __________________ "Even if the morrow is barren of promises, nothing shall forestall my return."

Jun 12, 2010, 03:08 PM // 15:08	#22
pinkeyflower Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2010	Really? I thought TA was removed because of the 'broken meta'.