Match manipulation? - Guild Wars Forums

LSX · Sep 03, 2010, 11:05 PM // 23:05

So liek when i log into gw they said they banned 3700 accounts for botting and Match manipulation. i dont excalty get what Match manipulation is. Does it mean we cant sync PVP anymore?

Chrisworld · Sep 03, 2010, 11:12 PM // 23:12

I believe the match manipulation they refer to is the use of bots in PvP. Specifically Mesmer interrupt bots. Because after all, it's PvP, not Bot vs Player or Bot vs Bot...

As for being banned for syncing, I really don't think they can or will without hard evidence such as admitting to it. Sure they can look at guild tags, but coincidences happen too, plus non guildies can also gang up on ventrilo or some other VOIP and go sync and arenanet wouldn't really know. Lots of people could be hitting the enter battle button at the same time. This doesn't mean nothing should still be done about it..

Dawn Angelheart · Sep 03, 2010, 11:27 PM // 23:27

Match manipulation is only cared about in Gvg.

FoxBat · Sep 03, 2010, 11:42 PM // 23:42

The syncing they are referring to is sync entering two champ-range guilds into a GvG match and throwing it one way or the other to farm champ points. Nothings going to be done against RA syncers.

*Darcy* · Sep 04, 2010, 12:06 AM // 00:06

Most Match Manipulation is deciding ahead of time who will win the match. Then one team resigns or doesn't actually fight or makes sure to lose.

X Ghoul · Sep 04, 2010, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by Dawn Angelheart

Match manipulation is only cared about in Gvg.

enuff said, there have been plenty of forums showing emails from support where they literally dont consider syncing RA match manipulation

LSX · Sep 04, 2010, 06:27 AM // 06:27

so, its only gvg. FA, JQ, RA, and AB is allowable?

AB = 3 teams of 4 syncing at the same time.

pinkeyflower · Sep 04, 2010, 10:04 AM // 10:04

Deciding the outcome of a match before it has begun through various means. Match manipulation can exist in all forms of PvP but in terms of banning, Anet tends to focus on GvG before the other forms (AB, JQ, FA have small playerbases and aren't really PvP).

raddish · Sep 04, 2010, 01:30 PM // 13:30

syncing in RA is really impossible to stop, and they therefore cant take any action. if they did try and challenge someone saying that they were syncing you can just say something stupid like "we just happened to be entering in RA at the same time" and they cant really disprove that, so your completely safe. all they care about is bots.

Missing HB · Sep 04, 2010, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by pinkeyflower

Deciding the outcome of a match before it has begun through various means. Match manipulation can exist in all forms of PvP but in terms of banning, Anet tends to focus on GvG before the other forms (AB, JQ, FA have small playerbases and aren't really PvP).

Yes , i would like to know what they mean by match manipulation to be honest : do they mean only making your opponent predictable ( and thus it concerns syncing in GvG only ) ?
I personnaly consider ganking in hall of heroes match manipulation since you make sure one team will win .... Aswell , syncing in RA isn't completly manipulation , but if you sync there , you are sure you will win , thus it can also be manipulation...

@ raddish : ye , there isn't an easy way to fix syncing in RA , but was deleting TA a good and smart idea though ...

Fluffy Kittens · Sep 04, 2010, 06:44 PM // 18:44

People still sync in Codex Arena for quick zquest or quick points isn't that a match manipulation?
Also.. yeah ganking in HoH should be punishable...imo it should be 72 hour ban for that kind of match manipulation because it's just kills the pleasure of playing anymore.
I know what I'm talking about.. after all I'm person who gets ganked in at least 50% HoH matches

*lemming* · Sep 04, 2010, 08:03 PM // 20:03

The only form of match manipulation that they ban for is syncing in GvG for champ points.

Fluffy Kittens · Sep 04, 2010, 08:26 PM // 20:26

But how is that different than syncing codex for honor points?

*lemming* · Sep 04, 2010, 09:21 PM // 21:21

It isn't, they just don't care about it.

Missing HB · Sep 06, 2010, 10:14 AM // 10:14

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Originally Posted by lemming

The only form of match manipulation that they ban for is syncing in GvG for champ points.

But do people need to be reported to get banned for syncing in GvG ? Some people are still doing it every day on dead hour ( only getting 2 pts/day though)...
I don't know for how long people did complain of syncing in RA , whereas syncing in gvg was caught very fast and banned as fast aswell, and if you consider also that you can play all day RA and not get any glad point due to syncers...

pinkeyflower · Sep 06, 2010, 12:52 PM // 12:52

I guess RA just isn't really important enough to implement banning. However, the nature of the arena makes the case of proving someone is syncing somewhat difficult. Someone could just be extremely lucky (A few times I've played in RA by myself and then suddenly 3/4 guildies show up on my team). Also, syncers could just move to another alliance guild so that it wouldn't be as obvious to their opponents that they were syncing. Blah blah blah, and then we end up with more QQ threads and some legitimate players being accidentally banned...

nos two · Sep 06, 2010, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Happy Red Resign day!!!!
have fun lol lol lol

LSX · Sep 06, 2010, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by nos two

Happy Red Resign day!!!!
have fun lol lol lol

LOL they didnt ban people for red resign day right? they took Hero battles out.

Missing HB · Sep 10, 2010, 07:11 AM // 07:11

I would like to know if people could get banned for doing the following ; this takes place in Heroes Ascent at dead hour :

My team is 8/8. 3 of us leave team fast , to make randomway , and rage quit just when zaishens are dead , in order to go back to previous team. That 8/8 team would go in very fast , and would fight for sure that randomway ( its dead hour ).
I noticed that when some guy did it , and found it very smart , in order to be sure to get halls 1v1 ( thus with antibuild or whatever...)

But my question is , it's match manipulation for sure but is it bannable ?

Fluffy Kittens · Sep 10, 2010, 08:27 AM // 08:27

no it aint but its the reason why Anet should do some changes... 8 months ago they announced new HoH map and where is it now? could someone tell me that please

Sep 03, 2010, 11:05 PM // 23:05	#1
LSX Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2008 Guild: LIAR Profession: W/D	Match manipulation? So liek when i log into gw they said they banned 3700 accounts for botting and Match manipulation. i dont excalty get what Match manipulation is. Does it mean we cant sync PVP anymore?

Sep 04, 2010, 12:06 AM // 00:06	#5
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	Most Match Manipulation is deciding ahead of time who will win the match. Then one team resigns or doesn't actually fight or makes sure to lose. __________________ That's me, the old stick-in-the-mud non-fun moderator. (and non-understanding, also)

Sep 04, 2010, 08:03 PM // 20:03	#12
lemming The Hotshot Join Date: May 2006 Location: Honolulu Guild: International District [id???]	The only form of match manipulation that they ban for is syncing in GvG for champ points. __________________ Interested in GvG? Want to watch some high-level PvP? Check out some streams and recordings!

Sep 04, 2010, 09:21 PM // 21:21	#14
lemming The Hotshot Join Date: May 2006 Location: Honolulu Guild: International District [id???]	It isn't, they just don't care about it. __________________ Interested in GvG? Want to watch some high-level PvP? Check out some streams and recordings!

Sep 03, 2010, 11:12 PM // 23:12	#2
Chrisworld Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2010 Guild: Gameamp Guides [AMP] Profession: W/	I believe the match manipulation they refer to is the use of bots in PvP. Specifically Mesmer interrupt bots. Because after all, it's PvP, not Bot vs Player or Bot vs Bot... As for being banned for syncing, I really don't think they can or will without hard evidence such as admitting to it. Sure they can look at guild tags, but coincidences happen too, plus non guildies can also gang up on ventrilo or some other VOIP and go sync and arenanet wouldn't really know. Lots of people could be hitting the enter battle button at the same time. This doesn't mean nothing should still be done about it..

Sep 03, 2010, 11:27 PM // 23:27	#3
Dawn Angelheart Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2008 Guild: We Bought Plan C On [Ebay] Profession: W/E	Match manipulation is only cared about in Gvg.

Sep 03, 2010, 11:42 PM // 23:42	#4
FoxBat Furnace Stoker Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: Amazon Basin [AB] Profession: Mo/Me	The syncing they are referring to is sync entering two champ-range guilds into a GvG match and throwing it one way or the other to farm champ points. Nothings going to be done against RA syncers.

Sep 04, 2010, 06:27 AM // 06:27	#7
LSX Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2008 Guild: LIAR Profession: W/D	so, its only gvg. FA, JQ, RA, and AB is allowable? AB = 3 teams of 4 syncing at the same time.

Sep 04, 2010, 10:04 AM // 10:04	#8
pinkeyflower Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2010	Deciding the outcome of a match before it has begun through various means. Match manipulation can exist in all forms of PvP but in terms of banning, Anet tends to focus on GvG before the other forms (AB, JQ, FA have small playerbases and aren't really PvP).

Sep 04, 2010, 01:30 PM // 13:30	#9
raddish Academy Page Join Date: Jan 2009 Guild: The Rejected Sins [SOF] Profession: A/P	syncing in RA is really impossible to stop, and they therefore cant take any action. if they did try and challenge someone saying that they were syncing you can just say something stupid like "we just happened to be entering in RA at the same time" and they cant really disprove that, so your completely safe. all they care about is bots.

Sep 04, 2010, 06:44 PM // 18:44	#11
Fluffy Kittens Guest Join Date: Dec 2009	People still sync in Codex Arena for quick zquest or quick points isn't that a match manipulation? Also.. yeah ganking in HoH should be punishable...imo it should be 72 hour ban for that kind of match manipulation because it's just kills the pleasure of playing anymore. I know what I'm talking about.. after all I'm person who gets ganked in at least 50% HoH matches

Sep 04, 2010, 08:26 PM // 20:26	#13
Fluffy Kittens Guest Join Date: Dec 2009	But how is that different than syncing codex for honor points?

Sep 06, 2010, 12:52 PM // 12:52	#16
pinkeyflower Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2010	I guess RA just isn't really important enough to implement banning. However, the nature of the arena makes the case of proving someone is syncing somewhat difficult. Someone could just be extremely lucky (A few times I've played in RA by myself and then suddenly 3/4 guildies show up on my team). Also, syncers could just move to another alliance guild so that it wouldn't be as obvious to their opponents that they were syncing. Blah blah blah, and then we end up with more QQ threads and some legitimate players being accidentally banned...

Sep 06, 2010, 03:11 PM // 15:11	#17
nos two Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2008 Guild: I Fly So (LoW) Profession: N/	Happy Red Resign day!!!! have fun lol lol lol

Sep 10, 2010, 07:11 AM // 07:11	#19
Missing HB Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2010 Guild: Anna Profession: A/	I would like to know if people could get banned for doing the following ; this takes place in Heroes Ascent at dead hour : My team is 8/8. 3 of us leave team fast , to make randomway , and rage quit just when zaishens are dead , in order to go back to previous team. That 8/8 team would go in very fast , and would fight for sure that randomway ( its dead hour ). I noticed that when some guy did it , and found it very smart , in order to be sure to get halls 1v1 ( thus with antibuild or whatever...) But my question is , it's match manipulation for sure but is it bannable ?

Sep 10, 2010, 08:27 AM // 08:27	#20
Fluffy Kittens Guest Join Date: Dec 2009	no it aint but its the reason why Anet should do some changes... 8 months ago they announced new HoH map and where is it now? could someone tell me that please