What make GvG pvp but AB not? - Guild Wars Forums

O Bama · Nov 02, 2010, 09:33 AM // 09:33

I was told GvG is true pvp and AB not. So, I wonder what make GvG pvp but AB not?

Is there NPC in battle?
AB: yes
GvG: yes

Can you take hench in party?
AB: no
GvG: yes

Is party organized?
AB: partialy
GvG: yes

Need you kill NPC for victory?
AB: no
GvG: yes

tealspikes · Nov 02, 2010, 09:44 AM // 09:44

What make GvG pvp but AB not?

You can farm NPCs the entire game in AB and still win consistently, in GvG you really can't (at least since VoD). That's the only reason I can think of. Whoever told you that needs to get his facts straight since as you pointed out they both involve NPCs and the whole point of GvG is to kill an NPC.

Kook~NBK~ · Nov 02, 2010, 09:51 AM // 09:51

You won't win ABs without killing NPCs, capping shrines is the key to winning ABs. Lots of NPCs go down in ABs.

You forgot a couple:

Do you fight other players?
AB: Yes
GvG: Yes

Do you have access via your GH?
AB: Yes
GvG: Yes

FoxBat · Nov 02, 2010, 10:01 AM // 10:01

It's not about NPCs per say. It's more that your AB opponents often behave just like NPCs, charging en masse onto a single protted tank, equally as likely to charge in by themselves into an overwhelming mob, employing very questionable builds and not bringing any monks, etc.

Perfected Shadow · Nov 02, 2010, 10:29 AM // 10:29

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Originally Posted by O Bama

what make GvG pvp but AB not?

The elitists.

Seriously you can call AB low end pvp, but as long as on one side there are players, and on the opposing side, there are players, then it's pvp.

*lemming* · Nov 02, 2010, 10:44 AM // 10:44

People who play AB tend to primarily identify themselves as PvEers.

Sankt Hallvard · Nov 02, 2010, 12:57 PM // 12:57

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Originally Posted by lemming

People who play AB tend to primarily identify themselves as PvEers.

Oh crap, I'll need to redefine my self-conception then. Thought I'd been a primarily pvp'er for the past few years but turns out I'm a pve'er through and through.

My heart just sank a little now that the harsh realities finally caught up with me.

Andemius · Nov 02, 2010, 01:14 PM // 13:14

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People who play AB tend to primarily identify themselves as PvEers.

True, but I primarily do PvE, despite the fact that I like pvp, the only reason being, I got in too late to try high end pvp really.

TBH, i think the only reason ppl say AB/JQ/FA/RA isn't PvP is because they have an elitist attitude, to me, if there's other people, it's PvP.

Essence Snow · Nov 02, 2010, 01:19 PM // 13:19

Both are PvP........some players will debate this, but for no real good reason imo. Only reason I can see to debate this is what qualifies for the HoM PvP statue, but then again that is, in reality a different arguement.

godis · Nov 02, 2010, 01:20 PM // 13:20

If you play against another person its PvP !

Simple as that

Arutima · Nov 02, 2010, 01:23 PM // 13:23

ab battles are fun for their wackyness, it is more productive running around capping shrines then fighting other players. You can even play with the skill bar you use in pve, if you want.

Gvg is a lot more rigid and need a lot more strategy

Angel Killuminati · Nov 02, 2010, 01:25 PM // 13:25

It's simple, whoever told you that were using elitism. They deemed GvG a better form of PvP than AB and in doing so, pushed AB to the bottom of the pile, even going as far as to call it non PvP, simple. At the end of the day the cold hard fact is that AB is still PvP because you fight against other human players.

In thre grand scheme of things though, yes AB is slightly less skilled - especially back in the days of good GvG.

Morphy · Nov 02, 2010, 01:29 PM // 13:29

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Originally Posted by O Bama

Need you kill NPC for victory?
AB: no
GvG: yes

False. You need to kill NPCs to cap bases. If you want to bring up that you can win AB without capping bases, you can also win GvG by giving the opposing team 60% DP, without needing to kill any NPC in the process. It's possible to win both formats without killing NPCs, but it's highly, highly unfeasible in both cases.

RedDog91 · Nov 02, 2010, 02:03 PM // 14:03

Both are PvP.
I will most certainly be flamed for saying that, but it's the truth. AB just happens to be a lower level of competition.

ruk1a · Nov 02, 2010, 02:14 PM // 14:14

ab is pretty lame pvp imo although it is undoubtedly pvp

my reason being you actually avoid other players to kill npcs which makes it more pve than anything.

Warvic · Nov 02, 2010, 02:50 PM // 14:50

both are pvp. only elitists call GVG/HA pvp and AB pve. (or "not real" pvp)

In AB, RA CM etc. there are mostly some pve'ers playing. And GVG/HA were early introduced in GW. That's also why some only call that pvp. (RA was also there from the beginning tho q.q). But yeh those seem to be the only reasons i can think off.

FengShuiDove · Nov 02, 2010, 03:25 PM // 15:25

I think people that would say AB isn't PvP make that assertion simply for the fact that it isn't competitive, which it isn't. You get to organize exactly 1/3 of your team and pray that the other 2/3 don't suck horribly. Coordination is less important (and less available), and often you'll find good players running crappy or experimental builds because they're just there to play around or have fun. That's what I do. But I wouldn't do it in GvG.

So, is AB PvP? Yes. Is AB "Competitive" PvP? Absolutely not.

Captain Bulldozer · Nov 02, 2010, 04:00 PM // 16:00

Check out this page on the official wiki:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/PvP

You'll find on the list of PvP arenas Alliance Battles, as well as J.Q. and F.A.
You'll also find the definition: "Player versus player (PvP) is a style of gameplay that pits players against each other in a competition"

So whoever told you that AB is not PvP is wrong. What they're saying is like saying that Diet Coke isn't coke. It might be a sort of understandable attitude, but its factually incorrect. What IS true, however, is that GvG should probably be considered a more "pure" form of PvP than A.B. since its generally more focused on pitting the players against each other.

I'm temped to say that if it rewards balthazar faction for killing then its PvP, but there is this pesky Zaishen Challenge that isn't really PvP.

fowlero · Nov 02, 2010, 04:13 PM // 16:13

Some tools say it isn't PvP, when the tend to mean it isn't high end pvp. As opposed to GvG and arguably HA, where the level of competence required to win is higher.

drkn · Nov 02, 2010, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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AB is for pve scrubs, GVG is for pplz who are good at guild wars

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Join Date: Nov 2010
Guild: ZoS
Profession: W/Mo

I think you're a kind of provocation, no idea whose and why ran. Good job making the 'bad PvPers elitist legend'.

Nov 02, 2010, 09:33 AM // 09:33	#1
O Bama Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2009	What make GvG pvp but AB not? I was told GvG is true pvp and AB not. So, I wonder what make GvG pvp but AB not? Is there NPC in battle? AB: yes GvG: yes Can you take hench in party? AB: no GvG: yes Is party organized? AB: partialy GvG: yes Need you kill NPC for victory? AB: no GvG: yes

Nov 02, 2010, 09:44 AM // 09:44	#2
tealspikes Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2009	What make GvG pvp but AB not? You can farm NPCs the entire game in AB and still win consistently, in GvG you really can't (at least since VoD). That's the only reason I can think of. Whoever told you that needs to get his facts straight since as you pointed out they both involve NPCs and the whole point of GvG is to kill an NPC. Last edited by tealspikes; Nov 02, 2010 at 09:47 AM // 09:47..

Nov 02, 2010, 10:44 AM // 10:44	#6
lemming The Hotshot Join Date: May 2006 Location: Honolulu Guild: International District [id???]	People who play AB tend to primarily identify themselves as PvEers. __________________ Interested in GvG? Want to watch some high-level PvP? Check out some streams and recordings!

Nov 02, 2010, 01:19 PM // 13:19	#9
Essence Snow Unbridled Enthusiasm! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: EST Guild: DPR	Both are PvP........some players will debate this, but for no real good reason imo. Only reason I can see to debate this is what qualifies for the HoM PvP statue, but then again that is, in reality a different arguement. __________________ ~"Serenity now.... Insanity later"~

Nov 02, 2010, 09:51 AM // 09:51	#3
Kook~NBK~ Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: A little chalet outside Drok's Guild: Natural Born Killaz	You won't win ABs without killing NPCs, capping shrines is the key to winning ABs. Lots of NPCs go down in ABs. You forgot a couple: Do you fight other players? AB: Yes GvG: Yes Do you have access via your GH? AB: Yes GvG: Yes

Nov 02, 2010, 10:01 AM // 10:01	#4
FoxBat Furnace Stoker Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: Amazon Basin [AB] Profession: Mo/Me	It's not about NPCs per say. It's more that your AB opponents often behave just like NPCs, charging en masse onto a single protted tank, equally as likely to charge in by themselves into an overwhelming mob, employing very questionable builds and not bringing any monks, etc.

Nov 02, 2010, 01:20 PM // 13:20	#10
godis Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2009 Guild: LOVE Profession: N/Me	If you play against another person its PvP ! Simple as that

Nov 02, 2010, 01:23 PM // 13:23	#11
Arutima Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Canada Profession: R/	ab battles are fun for their wackyness, it is more productive running around capping shrines then fighting other players. You can even play with the skill bar you use in pve, if you want. Gvg is a lot more rigid and need a lot more strategy

Nov 02, 2010, 01:25 PM // 13:25	#12
Angel Killuminati Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: UK	It's simple, whoever told you that were using elitism. They deemed GvG a better form of PvP than AB and in doing so, pushed AB to the bottom of the pile, even going as far as to call it non PvP, simple. At the end of the day the cold hard fact is that AB is still PvP because you fight against other human players. In thre grand scheme of things though, yes AB is slightly less skilled - especially back in the days of good GvG.

Nov 02, 2010, 02:03 PM // 14:03	#14
RedDog91 Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Farming for Nick gifts Profession: R/	Both are PvP. I will most certainly be flamed for saying that, but it's the truth. AB just happens to be a lower level of competition.

Nov 02, 2010, 02:14 PM // 14:14	#15
ruk1a Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2008 Location: UR MOM LOL Guild: ATTACK OF THE KILLER TOMATOES Profession: A/	ab is pretty lame pvp imo although it is undoubtedly pvp my reason being you actually avoid other players to kill npcs which makes it more pve than anything.

Nov 02, 2010, 02:50 PM // 14:50	#16
Warvic Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Netherlands Profession: A/W	both are pvp. only elitists call GVG/HA pvp and AB pve. (or "not real" pvp) In AB, RA CM etc. there are mostly some pve'ers playing. And GVG/HA were early introduced in GW. That's also why some only call that pvp. (RA was also there from the beginning tho q.q). But yeh those seem to be the only reasons i can think off.

Nov 02, 2010, 03:25 PM // 15:25	#17
FengShuiDove Forge Runner Join Date: Sep 2007 Guild: Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] Profession: A/	I think people that would say AB isn't PvP make that assertion simply for the fact that it isn't competitive, which it isn't. You get to organize exactly 1/3 of your team and pray that the other 2/3 don't suck horribly. Coordination is less important (and less available), and often you'll find good players running crappy or experimental builds because they're just there to play around or have fun. That's what I do. But I wouldn't do it in GvG. So, is AB PvP? Yes. Is AB "Competitive" PvP? Absolutely not.

Nov 02, 2010, 04:00 PM // 16:00	#18
Captain Bulldozer Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008 Guild: Servants of the Dragon Flames [SODF]	Check out this page on the official wiki: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/PvP You'll find on the list of PvP arenas Alliance Battles, as well as J.Q. and F.A. You'll also find the definition: "Player versus player (PvP) is a style of gameplay that pits players against each other in a competition" So whoever told you that AB is not PvP is wrong. What they're saying is like saying that Diet Coke isn't coke. It might be a sort of understandable attitude, but its factually incorrect. What IS true, however, is that GvG should probably be considered a more "pure" form of PvP than A.B. since its generally more focused on pitting the players against each other. I'm temped to say that if it rewards balthazar faction for killing then its PvP, but there is this pesky Zaishen Challenge that isn't really PvP.

Nov 02, 2010, 04:13 PM // 16:13	#19
fowlero Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: England, UK Guild: We Are The One And Only [rR]	Some tools say it isn't PvP, when the tend to mean it isn't high end pvp. As opposed to GvG and arguably HA, where the level of competence required to win is higher.