SD N/R pet method, i still think i do something wrong. - Guild Wars Forums

dagrdagaz · Dec 29, 2010, 11:32 AM // 11:32

More then enough times the opposing team still has several to lots opponents left with only me on my team.
I cannot/will not engage more then one opponent alone, when my Hero is dead. So i have to restart.
Is this common or not?
Then again, somtimes i win with lots of survivors on my team.

I thought i did what is suggested about this method on Wiki.

Iuris · Dec 29, 2010, 11:53 AM // 11:53

If you do it right, you shouldn't even lose all team mates, really. That's the point - enemies all bunched up, your teammates keeping them busy while you use the flurry of ice to inflict massice damage on the tightest concentration of enemies.

dagrdagaz · Dec 29, 2010, 12:09 PM // 12:09

Uhm, i am not Ranger. Dont use a primary Ranger hero either.

Anyway, i found somthing that works better.
The wiki suggest to activate your Necro hero skill Holiday Blues first and then Ice Fort.
Activating Ice Fort first and then Holiday Blues on my Necro hero seems to work better.

Some timing odness getting the opponents not balled up enough inside Holiday Blues it must be i guess.

Spiritz · Dec 29, 2010, 01:08 PM // 13:08

im a bit confused - your title is n/r with pet so we assume its a necro with ranger and his pet but you say your an ele.
The normal method is - necro the suicide bomber who balls the foes and the ranger uses their ranger skill flurry of ice to kill multiple foes.
Ita harder to do if there isnt a ranger because only ranger has flurry ( hits several foes - like barrage in a way ) and even if you ball the foes on necro the other partner will still have a mob to try and kill 1v1.
Hence you mainly see r lf nec sd or nec lf r sd .

HellScreamS · Dec 29, 2010, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

im a bit confused - your title is n/r with pet so we assume its a necro with ranger and his pet but you say your an ele.

I think his hero is a N/R with a pet to take some more damage from attacks.

dagrdagaz · Dec 29, 2010, 01:41 PM // 13:41

sorry for the confusion.

I remember Wiki mentions also a method with a Necro and a Ranger.
I however am using a Necro primary hero with, as suggested on wiki, Ranger secondary so u can give the Necro hero a pet.

LifeInfusion · Dec 29, 2010, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by dagrdagaz

Uhm, i am not Ranger. Dont use a primary Ranger hero either.

Anyway, i found somthing that works better.
The wiki suggest to activate your Necro hero skill Holiday Blues first and then Ice Fort.
Activating Ice Fort first and then Holiday Blues on my Necro hero seems to work better.

Some timing odness getting the opponents not balled up enough inside Holiday Blues it must be i guess.

It doesn't if you time Holiday Blues right. You need to time Holiday Blues such that it gets off when they turn red. There's a delay from when they turn red and when they start to attack.

If you use Ice Fort then Holiday Blues you end up wasting a few seconds of Ice Fort.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0hGdqcUFIk

http://www.vimeo.com/18067947 - with human Ranger

http://www.vimeo.com/18069300 - monk solo

Khaal · Dec 29, 2010, 04:16 PM // 16:16

I prefer using a rit hero. I flag him to the middle and then force jack frost, then unflag him. The other team uses their forts and hidden rocks and we just go in have fun and I don't have to suicide my hero. I use a ranger for my toon, but there were a couple of times where I did it without even attacking and succeeded so I'm pretty sure you could do it with any class.

Iuris · Dec 29, 2010, 04:41 PM // 16:41

But... since the snowball fight mechanic replaces all skills with snowball skills, you wouldn't get a pet to bring along anyway...

Better yet, let's recap:
-For snowball fights, ALL skills get replaced by snowball skills.
-since all skills get replaced, this applies to charm animal/comfort animal, too -> no pets
-One of those skills changes depending on the primary profession of the character.
-Secondary professions don't affect the skills at all

-the most popular build is a combination of one necromancer and one ranger. why? because:
-the ranger gets a great skill, Flurry of ice. It's essentially an AoE skill, targetting up to 5 enemies clustered together. If enemies are clustered together, the skill is murderous, giving the ranger the firepower (snowpower?) of 5 characters
-since you need the enemies to clump up, it's popular to send one sacrificial hero into the middle of the enemy group, so they all attack him when they go hostile.
-the character uses the snow fort skill to live for a few seconds more, continuing the distraction
-this way, all enemies immediately use their snow forts, and waste a few seconds of skills and spells on the sacrificial character
-if the character is a necromancer, he can make the most of the situation simply becuase his unique skill is a point blank AoE skill that does massive damage (it's long recharge and loss of 50% life doesn't matter since the character will die immediately after the snow fort goes down, full life or half life)
-while the enemy are busy, the ranger spams Flurry of ice to take the enemies down as fast as possible

Prince Rogrs Nelson · Dec 29, 2010, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Iuris

But... since the snowball fight mechanic replaces all skills with snowball skills, you wouldn't get a pet to bring along anyway...

Except you do! The pet skill doesn't appear on your bar, but if it was there when you entered the quest, your pet will accompany you.

It won't actually attack at all, but if you [space] a target, the pet will rush up and stand in the target's face. Very helpful for holding aggro, whether it belongs to a hero or to you.

myths of fury · Dec 29, 2010, 05:18 PM // 17:18

Iuris, you are wrong about the no pet thngy. Players CAN bring a pet into SD, idk if it's a bug or not, but you can.

What I would suggest you to do is :

-go any/R
-Bring a pet
-Bring a ranger hero
-In snowball fights, flag your hero back and aggro an enemy as soon as you can, and lock your pet on him while spamming your snowballs
-unflag your hero, and micro him to use flurry as much as possible
-get your reward, rinse and repeat.

This method is less dangerous then using a necro hero, and will get the job done easily. If you use a necro hero, and you are not a ranger, once the necro is dead, you will lack firepower to take care of stragglers more then often

dagrdagaz · Dec 29, 2010, 06:06 PM // 18:06

I will attack as well till i take to much damage, then i run away.
It may help tip the balance, opponents i help defeat.
It works good enough(now), the method i use (described in above posts).

A tip to handle stragglers (surviving opponents).
Aggro only one, and run past Helga and Brartak. They will attack the opponent u aggroed.
When its safe for u, help Helga and Brartak. Repeat, for remaining stragglers.

Iuris · Dec 29, 2010, 07:22 PM // 19:22

Well I'll be... it does indeed work! How embarassing not to have known that...

Prince Rogrs Nelson · Dec 29, 2010, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by Iuris

Well I'll be... it does indeed work! How embarassing not to have known that...

It may very well be a new development. Consider:

I've been playing GW less than 2 years, and my most developed toon is not even KOABD yet. My guild leader has 2 GWAMMs already, and has recently been farming SD to work on his 3rd, which he intends as a "title spiker" (he's hoping to nearly-simultaneously max 12 titles to get GWAMM on this one, while ALSO keeping it at 0 deaths through that point...he's nuts). The point is that he's been playing a while and knows a LOT more about the game than I do.

And he was kind of shocked when I told him that I was bringing pets into SD.

Rites · Dec 30, 2010, 11:00 PM // 23:00

hell i was shocked to see my bear in SD with me.... but yeah once you get over that part, allit is good for is bodyblocking/aggro

Iuris · Dec 31, 2010, 07:42 AM // 07:42

And shutting down your skills when it dies. I checked.

Robdalf · Jan 02, 2011, 04:08 AM // 04:08

Just brought Pyre Fireceshot in with the pet I got him. Was able to clear out the fight straightaway for the first time.

dagrdagaz · Jan 02, 2011, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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If you use Ice Fort then Holiday Blues you end up wasting a few seconds of Ice Fort.

It doesnt matter much, i noticed Olias moves pretty much immediatly often, wasting Ice Fort.

LifeInfusion · Jan 02, 2011, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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Originally Posted by dagrdagaz

It doesnt matter much, i noticed Olias moves pretty much immediatly often, wasting Ice Fort.

It's a bit late to post in this thread...but anyway you need to have an enemy targetted that's close by your hero so they can spam snowball instead of moving

Dec 29, 2010, 11:32 AM // 11:32	#1
dagrdagaz Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NL Profession: E/N	SD N/R pet method, i still think i do something wrong. More then enough times the opposing team still has several to lots opponents left with only me on my team. I cannot/will not engage more then one opponent alone, when my Hero is dead. So i have to restart. Is this common or not? Then again, somtimes i win with lots of survivors on my team. I thought i did what is suggested about this method on Wiki.

Dec 29, 2010, 06:06 PM // 18:06	#12
dagrdagaz Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NL Profession: E/N	I will attack as well till i take to much damage, then i run away. It may help tip the balance, opponents i help defeat. It works good enough(now), the method i use (described in above posts). A tip to handle stragglers (surviving opponents). Aggro only one, and run past Helga and Brartak. They will attack the opponent u aggroed. When its safe for u, help Helga and Brartak. Repeat, for remaining stragglers. Last edited by dagrdagaz; Dec 29, 2010 at 06:09 PM // 18:09..

Dec 29, 2010, 11:53 AM // 11:53	#2
Iuris Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Crazy ducks from the Forest Profession: W/	If you do it right, you shouldn't even lose all team mates, really. That's the point - enemies all bunched up, your teammates keeping them busy while you use the flurry of ice to inflict massice damage on the tightest concentration of enemies.

Dec 29, 2010, 12:09 PM // 12:09	#3
dagrdagaz Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NL Profession: E/N	Uhm, i am not Ranger. Dont use a primary Ranger hero either. Anyway, i found somthing that works better. The wiki suggest to activate your Necro hero skill Holiday Blues first and then Ice Fort. Activating Ice Fort first and then Holiday Blues on my Necro hero seems to work better. Some timing odness getting the opponents not balled up enough inside Holiday Blues it must be i guess.

Dec 29, 2010, 01:08 PM // 13:08	#4
Spiritz Forge Runner Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: DMFC	im a bit confused - your title is n/r with pet so we assume its a necro with ranger and his pet but you say your an ele. The normal method is - necro the suicide bomber who balls the foes and the ranger uses their ranger skill flurry of ice to kill multiple foes. Ita harder to do if there isnt a ranger because only ranger has flurry ( hits several foes - like barrage in a way ) and even if you ball the foes on necro the other partner will still have a mob to try and kill 1v1. Hence you mainly see r lf nec sd or nec lf r sd .

Dec 29, 2010, 01:41 PM // 13:41	#6
dagrdagaz Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NL Profession: E/N	sorry for the confusion. I remember Wiki mentions also a method with a Necro and a Ranger. I however am using a Necro primary hero with, as suggested on wiki, Ranger secondary so u can give the Necro hero a pet.

Dec 29, 2010, 04:16 PM // 16:16	#8
Khaal Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Butte, Mt (That's funny enough as is.) Guild: Guildies with Kiddies [Kids]	I prefer using a rit hero. I flag him to the middle and then force jack frost, then unflag him. The other team uses their forts and hidden rocks and we just go in have fun and I don't have to suicide my hero. I use a ranger for my toon, but there were a couple of times where I did it without even attacking and succeeded so I'm pretty sure you could do it with any class.

Dec 29, 2010, 04:41 PM // 16:41	#9
Iuris Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Crazy ducks from the Forest Profession: W/	But... since the snowball fight mechanic replaces all skills with snowball skills, you wouldn't get a pet to bring along anyway... Better yet, let's recap: -For snowball fights, ALL skills get replaced by snowball skills. -since all skills get replaced, this applies to charm animal/comfort animal, too -> no pets -One of those skills changes depending on the primary profession of the character. -Secondary professions don't affect the skills at all -the most popular build is a combination of one necromancer and one ranger. why? because: -the ranger gets a great skill, Flurry of ice. It's essentially an AoE skill, targetting up to 5 enemies clustered together. If enemies are clustered together, the skill is murderous, giving the ranger the firepower (snowpower?) of 5 characters -since you need the enemies to clump up, it's popular to send one sacrificial hero into the middle of the enemy group, so they all attack him when they go hostile. -the character uses the snow fort skill to live for a few seconds more, continuing the distraction -this way, all enemies immediately use their snow forts, and waste a few seconds of skills and spells on the sacrificial character -if the character is a necromancer, he can make the most of the situation simply becuase his unique skill is a point blank AoE skill that does massive damage (it's long recharge and loss of 50% life doesn't matter since the character will die immediately after the snow fort goes down, full life or half life) -while the enemy are busy, the ranger spams Flurry of ice to take the enemies down as fast as possible

Dec 29, 2010, 05:18 PM // 17:18	#11
myths of fury Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2009	Iuris, you are wrong about the no pet thngy. Players CAN bring a pet into SD, idk if it's a bug or not, but you can. What I would suggest you to do is : -go any/R -Bring a pet -Bring a ranger hero -In snowball fights, flag your hero back and aggro an enemy as soon as you can, and lock your pet on him while spamming your snowballs -unflag your hero, and micro him to use flurry as much as possible -get your reward, rinse and repeat. This method is less dangerous then using a necro hero, and will get the job done easily. If you use a necro hero, and you are not a ranger, once the necro is dead, you will lack firepower to take care of stragglers more then often

Dec 29, 2010, 07:22 PM // 19:22	#13
Iuris Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Crazy ducks from the Forest Profession: W/	Well I'll be... it does indeed work! How embarassing not to have known that...

Dec 30, 2010, 11:00 PM // 23:00	#15
Rites Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Deep in the belly of Texas Profession: R/	hell i was shocked to see my bear in SD with me.... but yeah once you get over that part, allit is good for is bodyblocking/aggro

Dec 31, 2010, 07:42 AM // 07:42	#16
Iuris Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Crazy ducks from the Forest Profession: W/	And shutting down your skills when it dies. I checked.

Jan 02, 2011, 04:08 AM // 04:08	#17
Robdalf Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2010 Guild: AKA Profession: Mo/R	Just brought Pyre Fireceshot in with the pet I got him. Was able to clear out the fight straightaway for the first time.