Lucky Hochei and G15 Keybinding. Allowed or Forbidden? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

killerbot3009 · Feb 03, 2011, 11:35 PM // 23:35

pretty sure they are okay with Macros, after all they give G15's and G11's as prizes.
i cant see it being too much of a problem tbh but if you do get caught with it flagged up as a bot then u will get a temp ban probs lasting the rest of the event, which is why i'm just afking 9 rings

Haggis of Doom · Feb 03, 2011, 11:56 PM // 23:56

How isn't this a bot?

Bristlebane · Feb 04, 2011, 01:01 AM // 01:01

It's simple...

you can use the macro binding to save you some keystrokes, but you can't be afk doing it. It's the "automated while afk" that anet will strike down on if they see signs for it. Oh yeah, and I have a G15 as well so I've been trying to follow up on all topics related to macro keys and what not.

Skyy High · Feb 04, 2011, 04:10 AM // 04:10

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Originally Posted by JumbocactuarX27

The advantage is how quickly you can do it. The macro executes instantly with the press of one button leaving you free to tank, skill spam, whatever rather than take however long to do it yourself.

With your logic I could say that since any number of things are possible with in game controls, then there is no problem with a macro. Including the OP's question.

Bind skill slot 1, hero1 skill slot 1, hero2 skill slot 1 and hero3 skill slot 1 to the same key. Voila, instant hero spike.

OP's question is completely different, since there is no in-game command that can run RPS for hours on end.

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and afterall this is THE online game company that does express that they can even close legit accounts for no reason (and have done in the past).

Right, like no other EULA has that clause.

BladeDVD · Feb 04, 2011, 07:09 AM // 07:09

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Originally Posted by Devonas big Sister

I'm actually wondering if Anet would mind if someone binded a G15 macrokey to play Lucky Hochei's RPS game.

I assumed you meant your macro would start and you could walk away from the game, ie, the macro is playing the game for you.

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Originally Posted by MisterB

link to Gaile's talk page where she talks about macros.

If you read her reply, it says essentially if the macro is playing the game for you, you're doing stuff that can get you banned.

Which is what I said in my first post. It's common sense, you don't need an official response to tell you you can't run a macro that plays the game for you.

Also any macros that just automatically drink alcohol for you with out any work beyond starting the macro are also not allowed as per the above. I mean if that kind of thing were allowed don't you think it would be on the wiki? Heck, who they hell would do it any other way than via a macro (you don't need a G15 like keyboard to run macros) if that were allowed?

Bristlebane · Feb 04, 2011, 10:56 AM // 10:56

In this particular game it doesn't give you any unfair advantage, your chance for lunar fortunes and blue drinks are same as everyone else. So the advantage lies in saving your wrist from damage which is no different from buying a new mouse, natural keyboard, a good mousepad, a good chair, ie. more ergonomic than gaining an edge in game.

NOW if you used it in different areas where you would be able to kill someone faster etc, it would be different. Luckily G15 keyboards can't be programmed to do insta-interrupt, farm raptors or similar without your interaction.

AMDSpeed · Feb 04, 2011, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

In this particular game it doesn't give you any unfair advantage, your chance for lunar fortunes and blue drinks are same as everyone else. So the advantage lies in saving your wrist from damage which is no different from buying a new mouse, natural keyboard, a good mousepad, a good chair, ie. more ergonomic than gaining an edge in game.

If I had a macro to press space, talk to the NPC, emote /Rock, /Paper or /Scissors, I may be tempted to just let it run while I go take a bio break, go grab a drink, make myself something to eat, heck I could even let it run while I go off to work or go to sleep, after all this is only a once a year event and I have so many Lunar Tokens I need to use up before the weekend is over. I mean who's going to know right?

This would definitely give me an unfair advantage over another player that couldn't or wouldn't do the same, especially if this macro allows me to receive items, titles or whatever. If you're worried about your wrist hurting then go do something else for a while.

I don't understand how this is even a discussion.

Devonas big Sister · Feb 04, 2011, 02:22 PM // 14:22

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

In this particular game it doesn't give you any unfair advantage, your chance for lunar fortunes and blue drinks are same as everyone else. So the advantage lies in saving your wrist from damage which is no different from buying a new mouse, natural keyboard, a good mousepad, a good chair, ie. more ergonomic than gaining an edge in game.

NOW if you used it in different areas where you would be able to kill someone faster etc, it would be different. Luckily G15 keyboards can't be programmed to do insta-interrupt, farm raptors or similar without your interaction.

The main reasons for me are indeed ergonomic. It won't save you hours and hours of time, Hochei has a forced time interval for the RPS game plus you have a fixed 33% chance of winning. You can't change that. No possible advantages to be had there...
Other reasons I have is making it less a fuss for me to play RPS AND trade items at the same time. Keeping my focus on the players I could trade with instead of having to search for the chatentry i the logs when the district is crowded with chatters.

To me this reason weights heavy since keeping my focus is already a personal issue which I can't change anything about. It is a small thing but makes me enjoy any game a lot more.

Another reason is what has already been said: It's a grey area where no player can give a definite answer to rather than that it would be wise not to risk it. Not an real answer to the question is it?

Edit: while reviewing past topics solely related to the use of the G15 macro keys I came across different claims.

topic link:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/p...0244888p2.html

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Jan 16, 2008, 08:14 PM #28
flyinhigh
Frost Gate Guardian

Hi ****

Thank you for contacting Guild Wars Technical Support.

Our all the games can use the G15 as a normal keyboard, but do not support the use of the extra features such as the macro keys or the display. Exception to this Auto Assault supports the full use of the Logitech?? G15 keyboard, including the LCD and the extra buttons.

Also, we would like to inform you that Logitech?? G15 keyboard hotkeys isn't going to get your account banned.

Please let us know if you require any further assistance.

Regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team

Now if you read on that topic you'll notice that another support mail contradicts just the thing i bolded in the quote.

Yet another reason for a definite and FINAL answer to yes we allow this or no this will get you banned.

Lithril Ashwalker · Feb 04, 2011, 03:59 PM // 15:59

the Peregrine gaming glove is nothing BUT keybinding. cept its in the glove sensors, so no i believe its allwoe3d, ive already gotten a confirmed go by anet that i can use it

Iuris · Feb 04, 2011, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by Devonas big Sister

Yet another reason for a definite and FINAL answer to yes we allow this or no this will get you banned.

You won't get any better answers. It doesn't matter what method is used, what matters is the effect. If it automates gameplay, plays the game for you, it's a problem, be it a .dll injection bot, G15 macro or a rock taped to the keyboard...

False positives are separate issues.

Quaker · Feb 04, 2011, 05:36 PM // 17:36

As above ^^ it's not so much a matter of the device, it's what you do with it. If, for example, you were to program a robot (or a device) to physically press the keys on a standard keyboard and go farming by itself, you would still be breaking the EULA even though you (or the robot) are using a regular keyboard.

BladeDVD · Feb 04, 2011, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by Devonas big Sister

The main reasons for me are indeed ergonomic. It won't save you hours and hours of time, Hochei has a forced time interval for the RPS game plus you have a fixed 33% chance of winning. You can't change that. No possible advantages to be had there...
Other reasons I have is making it less a fuss for me to play RPS AND trade items at the same time. Keeping my focus on the players I could trade with instead of having to search for the chatentry i the logs when the district is crowded with chatters.

To me this reason weights heavy since keeping my focus is already a personal issue which I can't change anything about. It is a small thing but makes me enjoy any game a lot more.

So you want to be able to earn lunar fortunes while you trade in game with out actually doing anything yourself to earn lunar fortunes? Are you even listening to what you're writing?

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Another reason is what has already been said: It's a grey area where no player can give a definite answer to rather than that it would be wise not to risk it. Not an real answer to the question is it?

If you are talking about creating a macro that keeps playing RPS for you with no input from you other than starting the macro, then no, this is not a gray area, and you have been given a definitive answer.

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Edit: while reviewing past topics solely related to the use of the G15 macro keys I came across different claims.

topic link:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/p...0244888p2.html

Quote from the topic:

Now if you read on that topic you'll notice that another support mail contradicts just the thing i bolded in the quote.

Yet another reason for a definite and FINAL answer to yes we allow this or no this will get you banned.

A couple things... note the dates of what you posted and the entry on Gaile's talk page.

The statement you quoted is also not mutually exclusive with Gaile's statement. Simply having and using a G15 keyboard will not void the EULA.

The statement you bolded talked about hotkeys, not macros that play the game for you.

To sum up, binding /rock /paper /scissors to 3 different keys is ok. Creating a macro that clicks on the NPC, selects the let's play option, enters /rock /paper or /scissors waits and then repeats until you stop is a macro that plays the game for you and is not ok. The only gray area is whether or not you would be caught doing this, not whether it is ok under the EULA.

Devonas big Sister · Feb 04, 2011, 09:40 PM // 21:40

Sometimes I wonder if it's so hard for me to explain things, or so hard for others to understand what I am saying...

Anyways I got my answer elsewhere without all the fuss around it.

And I do not feel obligated to share my info. For it will probably keep this endless discussion going for weeks after the event without any relevant additions.....

Some say no, some say yes, some claim to know the facts, others know them for sure, as do I now...

Mods, feel free to lock this.

Dzjudz · Feb 04, 2011, 10:50 PM // 22:50

It plays the game for you while you are away from the keyboard (or at least it has this ability): bot, not allowed. Easy.

drkn · Feb 05, 2011, 10:52 AM // 10:52

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

It plays the game for you while you are away from the keyboard (or at least it has this ability): bot, not allowed. Easy.

QFT.

I've never seen any problem about using macros to pop hundreds of snowmen summoners at once or help spamming the trade chat, as long as it's not excessive. I doubt you'd get into any trouble by macroing RPS games while still shouting and chatting with potential customers.

Bristlebane · Feb 05, 2011, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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Originally Posted by AMDSpeed

If I had a macro to press space, talk to the NPC, emote /Rock, /Paper or /Scissors, I may be tempted to just let it run while I go take a bio break, go grab a drink, make myself something to eat, heck I could even let it run while I go off to work or go to sleep, after all this is only a once a year event and I have so many Lunar Tokens I need to use up before the weekend is over. I mean who's going to know right?

This would definitely give me an unfair advantage over another player that couldn't or wouldn't do the same, especially if this macro allows me to receive items, titles or whatever. If you're worried about your wrist hurting then go do something else for a while.

I don't understand how this is even a discussion.

Just because you can doesn't mean you have to, it's a stupid argument. Sure I can program keys to do it while afk but that's illegal. Anyone caught and getting banned for it deserves it. Or you can use it in a legal way, by tapping the key every now and then to play the game as everyone else. If I have a knife and can kill someone thinking I could get away with it, would I? This is the same with macro keys.. just because some might get tempted doing it doesn't mean everyone would.

Feb 04, 2011, 05:36 PM // 17:36	#31
Quaker Hell's Protector Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Brothers Disgruntled	As above ^^ it's not so much a matter of the device, it's what you do with it. If, for example, you were to program a robot (or a device) to physically press the keys on a standard keyboard and go farming by itself, you would still be breaking the EULA even though you (or the robot) are using a regular keyboard. Last edited by Quaker; Feb 04, 2011 at 05:39 PM // 17:39..

Feb 04, 2011, 09:40 PM // 21:40	#33
Devonas big Sister Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Dutchman Profession: W/	lock please Sometimes I wonder if it's so hard for me to explain things, or so hard for others to understand what I am saying... Anyways I got my answer elsewhere without all the fuss around it. And I do not feel obligated to share my info. For it will probably keep this endless discussion going for weeks after the event without any relevant additions..... Some say no, some say yes, some claim to know the facts, others know them for sure, as do I now... Mods, feel free to lock this.

Feb 03, 2011, 11:35 PM // 23:35	#21
killerbot3009 Jungle Guide Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: the beaster Guild: the Gold Fish [GOLD] Profession: W/	pretty sure they are okay with Macros, after all they give G15's and G11's as prizes. i cant see it being too much of a problem tbh but if you do get caught with it flagged up as a bot then u will get a temp ban probs lasting the rest of the event, which is why i'm just afking 9 rings

Feb 03, 2011, 11:56 PM // 23:56	#22
Haggis of Doom Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2009 Guild: TGB Profession: W/	How isn't this a bot?

Feb 04, 2011, 01:01 AM // 01:01	#23
Bristlebane Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2008 Profession: Mo/	It's simple... you can use the macro binding to save you some keystrokes, but you can't be afk doing it. It's the "automated while afk" that anet will strike down on if they see signs for it. Oh yeah, and I have a G15 as well so I've been trying to follow up on all topics related to macro keys and what not.

Feb 04, 2011, 10:56 AM // 10:56	#26
Bristlebane Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2008 Profession: Mo/	In this particular game it doesn't give you any unfair advantage, your chance for lunar fortunes and blue drinks are same as everyone else. So the advantage lies in saving your wrist from damage which is no different from buying a new mouse, natural keyboard, a good mousepad, a good chair, ie. more ergonomic than gaining an edge in game. NOW if you used it in different areas where you would be able to kill someone faster etc, it would be different. Luckily G15 keyboards can't be programmed to do insta-interrupt, farm raptors or similar without your interaction.

Feb 04, 2011, 03:59 PM // 15:59	#29
Lithril Ashwalker Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Alabama Profession: A/	the Peregrine gaming glove is nothing BUT keybinding. cept its in the glove sensors, so no i believe its allwoe3d, ive already gotten a confirmed go by anet that i can use it

Feb 04, 2011, 10:50 PM // 22:50	#34
Dzjudz Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz	It plays the game for you while you are away from the keyboard (or at least it has this ability): bot, not allowed. Easy.