Would using Kinect with Guild Wars be considered cheating and gets you banned? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Astral_Nomad · Feb 03, 2011, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by Nekodesu

I wouldn't think so, this is not botting, as botting is using a program/or w/e to do things for you? I think it also would be a good idea to let players use Kinect for GW/GW2. It's always better with more physical activity for people who play games :P

But yeah, ask on Gaile's wiki page.

I would kinda of liken it to a person using voice command.. and just for kicks and giggles, i did in fact successfully play it with Dragon Naturally Speaking lol <insert nerdout here>.

thought about putting up a vid of it on youtube for proof of concept but never really got around to it. maybe someday.

advice tho: dont ever try voice command with GW on HM or even in high ranking areas.. lol.. you wouldnt stand a chance.. but just for farting around its okay.

Voodoo Rage · Feb 03, 2011, 05:57 PM // 17:57

Wow, a bunch of pedantic nonsense in this thread.

If I heard of anyone getting banned over something like this, I would never buy one of their products ever again as it would clearly demonstrate that they are just purposely trying to ban people to reduce server load or something like that.

Regarding the use of the Kinect, it would really just be a novelty. I can't imagine the game being at all playable like that unless you are just running a very basic skill bar where you just want to spam a few skills on command.

Chthon · Feb 03, 2011, 06:26 PM // 18:26

1. I'd assume it's viewed by a-net the same as a keyboard macro -- OK so long as a human is manning it; not OK if it runs on its own.

2. About the EULA... Just don't. For one thing, whether it's even a valid contract varies by jurisdiction. For another, you probably lack the training to interpret legalese definitively. For a third thing, Support definitely lacks the training to interpret legalese definitively; what they're really enforcing is a set of internal policy guidelines. For a fourth thing, we've had this conversation many times before, and it's never been fruitful.

3. I'm guessing this would probably be undetectable from a-net's end, thus it probably doesn't matter what a-net thinks about it.

4. Like Voodoo, I'm also guessing that the game would be borderline unplayable.

BlackSephir · Feb 03, 2011, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Aw dang it, I use fraps and foobar while playing GW.
Take my account ANet, you've got me. Law "experts" won this one for you, taking lawful stupid perk over common sense.

*Darcy* · Feb 03, 2011, 07:25 PM // 19:25

ArenaNet makes a determination on a case by case basis. If you ask them today if TexMod is ok, they will say it's not currently a problem, but they reserve the right to change their minds if a version becomes available that gives you a gameplay advantage or attempts to affect things serverside.

If you ask them today about using Kinect, they will most likely say it's not currently a problem (and ask if you are having fun trying to get things done), but will, again, reserve the right to change their minds if the interface in the future begins to give a user an advantage over other players.

End · Feb 03, 2011, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by Bassma

Last I read keyboards and mouse aren't 3rd parties to a computer which you need to play the game so now you are still being a troll. You know what I meant you are just being antagonizing now which is what trolls do.

I've gone a week on my computer without a mouse and another week without a keyboard (much harder since I like to use a ton of key combos for stuff. Sooo your point about them being needed both is invalid. So they're just going to ban people who use both right?

Black Metal · Feb 03, 2011, 10:54 PM // 22:54

Bassma, End is right. There's no distinction between mouse/keyboard and Kinect. Both are hardware which require drivers and software.

My Razer mice use Razer's interface software which allows me to customize all sorts of mouse settings.

edit: reading through this thread, pretty much everyone has a level head about this beside Bassma.

Lithril Ashwalker · Feb 04, 2011, 01:16 AM // 01:16

lol i asked in a thread a looooooong time ago but instead i wanted to know if this
http://www.theperegrine.com/
gaming glove was appropriate and against EULA...it was approved so...yeah as long as no unfair advantage its cool

Ghengis Kwell · Feb 04, 2011, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by Astral_Nomad

but i WOULD be more concerned about Microsuck.. they were questioning the legality of hacking the Kinect.

I can't find the full interview I saw where Steve Ballmer Microsoft CEO said he was surprised how fast kinect was hacked for a PC but that he was happy with it (through gritted teeth I think)and he hints at kinect being plugged into PC in the future here about 1.28 in I think

*lemming* · Feb 04, 2011, 02:39 AM // 02:39

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Originally Posted by Darcy

ArenaNet makes a determination on a case by case basis. If you ask them today if TexMod is ok, they will say it's not currently a problem, but they reserve the right to change their minds if a version becomes available that gives you a gameplay advantage or attempts to affect things serverside.

Curiously enough, they've also refused to offer any kind of input on whether TexMod textures that provide actual advantages are still legal.

The entire policy of withholding announcements regarding the legality of third-party aides just reeks of laziness, insufficient manpower, or at the very least, apathy on the parts of support.

c_ras · Feb 04, 2011, 07:26 PM // 19:26

Getting banned? Probably not since I believe Kinect would be considered a peripheral and really doesn't give any advantage to gameplay. Just like I don't think anybody has ever gotten banned for using the Logitech G19 which allows simple macros. I personally think ANet should embrace the Kinect. I would love to see some fat chubby kid that plays Guild Wars using it. At least then they would be getting exercise while they hack and slash or see they physically running while doing some speed clear. Hilarious to see? Of course!! It sure would beat them just sitting at a keyboard and mouse in a vegetative state doing the same thing.

Although, I would admit that doing 9 Rings with the Kinect WOULD be pretty boring!!

Astral_Nomad · Feb 18, 2011, 01:00 PM // 13:00

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Stormy Fae · Feb 18, 2011, 01:58 PM // 13:58

It will be fine with ANet until it starts to actually become useful. Then their legal types will pen a deal and they will have a GW authorized version. At that point any other version will become against EULA.

disclaimer: This is my OPINION. Do not get all flamey with me.

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Feb 03, 2011, 05:57 PM // 17:57	#22
Voodoo Rage Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sacramento, CA Guild: Geezers Profession: R/	Wow, a bunch of pedantic nonsense in this thread. If I heard of anyone getting banned over something like this, I would never buy one of their products ever again as it would clearly demonstrate that they are just purposely trying to ban people to reduce server load or something like that. Regarding the use of the Kinect, it would really just be a novelty. I can't imagine the game being at all playable like that unless you are just running a very basic skill bar where you just want to spam a few skills on command.

Feb 03, 2011, 06:26 PM // 18:26	#23
Chthon Grotto Attendant Join Date: Apr 2007	1. I'd assume it's viewed by a-net the same as a keyboard macro -- OK so long as a human is manning it; not OK if it runs on its own. 2. About the EULA... Just don't. For one thing, whether it's even a valid contract varies by jurisdiction. For another, you probably lack the training to interpret legalese definitively. For a third thing, Support definitely lacks the training to interpret legalese definitively; what they're really enforcing is a set of internal policy guidelines. For a fourth thing, we've had this conversation many times before, and it's never been fruitful. 3. I'm guessing this would probably be undetectable from a-net's end, thus it probably doesn't matter what a-net thinks about it. 4. Like Voodoo, I'm also guessing that the game would be borderline unplayable.

Feb 03, 2011, 07:12 PM // 19:12	#24
BlackSephir Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Profession: A/N	Aw dang it, I use fraps and foobar while playing GW. Take my account ANet, you've got me. Law "experts" won this one for you, taking lawful stupid perk over common sense.

Feb 03, 2011, 07:25 PM // 19:25	#25
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	ArenaNet makes a determination on a case by case basis. If you ask them today if TexMod is ok, they will say it's not currently a problem, but they reserve the right to change their minds if a version becomes available that gives you a gameplay advantage or attempts to affect things serverside. If you ask them today about using Kinect, they will most likely say it's not currently a problem (and ask if you are having fun trying to get things done), but will, again, reserve the right to change their minds if the interface in the future begins to give a user an advantage over other players.

Feb 03, 2011, 10:54 PM // 22:54	#27
Black Metal Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2009 Profession: N/	Bassma, End is right. There's no distinction between mouse/keyboard and Kinect. Both are hardware which require drivers and software. My Razer mice use Razer's interface software which allows me to customize all sorts of mouse settings. edit: reading through this thread, pretty much everyone has a level head about this beside Bassma.

Feb 04, 2011, 01:16 AM // 01:16	#28
Lithril Ashwalker Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Alabama Profession: A/	lol i asked in a thread a looooooong time ago but instead i wanted to know if this http://www.theperegrine.com/ gaming glove was appropriate and against EULA...it was approved so...yeah as long as no unfair advantage its cool

Feb 04, 2011, 07:26 PM // 19:26	#31
c_ras Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2006 Guild: Eternal Deliverance Profession: R/	Getting banned? Probably not since I believe Kinect would be considered a peripheral and really doesn't give any advantage to gameplay. Just like I don't think anybody has ever gotten banned for using the Logitech G19 which allows simple macros. I personally think ANet should embrace the Kinect. I would love to see some fat chubby kid that plays Guild Wars using it. At least then they would be getting exercise while they hack and slash or see they physically running while doing some speed clear. Hilarious to see? Of course!! It sure would beat them just sitting at a keyboard and mouse in a vegetative state doing the same thing. Although, I would admit that doing 9 Rings with the Kinect WOULD be pretty boring!!

Feb 18, 2011, 01:58 PM // 13:58	#33
Stormy Fae Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2011 Profession: E/Me	It will be fine with ANet until it starts to actually become useful. Then their legal types will pen a deal and they will have a GW authorized version. At that point any other version will become against EULA. disclaimer: This is my OPINION. Do not get all flamey with me.