Disease: What is it good for? - Guild Wars Forums

shinta_himura · Feb 27, 2011, 02:01 PM // 14:01

I'm currently trying to adjust to the avatar changes, and I've been wondering... Just how useful is disease? Compared to Balthazar's aura which can dish out incredible amounts of burning, what good is Grenth's disease effect? Also, is it useless in PvP?

Wrath of m0o · Feb 27, 2011, 02:15 PM // 14:15

Disease : See "Darwinism"
It's gods way of saying we are not all created equal.

No really, inflicted fleshy targets suffer 4 health degeneration, and spreads like the plague. I know a few necros that swear by rotting flesh. Kinda makes me want to break out my old Anthrax - Spreading the Disease album.

Steps_Descending · Feb 27, 2011, 02:22 PM // 14:22

Probably weaker than AoB's burning, but still constant (even throught heavy removal) dot on everything. It's probably not too bad, accept it dowsn't synergise with ele/para.

Wrath of m0o · Feb 27, 2011, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by Steps_Descending

Probably weaker than AoB's burning, but still constant (even throught heavy removal) dot on everything. It's probably not too bad, accept it dowsn't synergise with ele/para.

Barbed Spear + Signet of Infection ??

Kaleban · Feb 27, 2011, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by shinta_himura

I'm currently trying to adjust to the avatar changes, and I've been wondering... Just how useful is disease? Compared to Balthazar's aura which can dish out incredible amounts of burning, what good is Grenth's disease effect? Also, is it useless in PvP?

I would say its MORE useful in PvP than PvE. Why you ask?

All your targets in PvP are the same race, so its able to spread. In PvE you commonly face mixed groups or different creature type mobs will frequently patrol near each other.

But burning is ALWAYS effective except against a few very specific creatures like Destroyers and Burning Spirits, plus does 7 versus Disease's 4 pip health degen.

Of course, AoG allows almost constant re-application of Disease, so the multiple creature type issue isn't really all that bad.

It would depend I guess on your team synergy. If you have Burning causing Paragons in the midline, then taking another Burning skill like AoB won't really help, as degen from multiple conditions don't stack, so you'd be better off with AoG. The reverse is true if you have Disease spreading Necros, take AoG.

S4br3t00th · Feb 27, 2011, 03:23 PM // 15:23

As for PvP, it's not useless at all...
It's still 4 pips of AoE degen that reapply every so often and covers things like cripple or deep wound. It makes trying to remove those harmful conditons require skills like Draw, RC, or FF... all of those infact :/
That plus the noticeable life steal and dark damage conversion make AoG very potent at dealing damage (as much at least than adrenaline and burning would IMO). Vampirism helps with durability more than lousy armor for which you just need to swap weapons :/

For PvE I suggest you stick with balthazar, as mobs don't change weapons, and are often weak versus light damage and immune to disease, unless against destroyers...

MithranArkanere · Feb 27, 2011, 03:46 PM // 15:46

I used it last night against destroyers a Avatar of Grenth build.
Some cracked armor here, some deep wound there, disease all over the place, plus quite some life stealing, and you can be in the middle of a bunch of destroyers in HM without needing much healing.
Every 20 seconds, my health jumped up with Grenth's Aura.

And along mystic corruption, you can even use disease against humans while also removing disease from your allies.

jazilla · Feb 27, 2011, 03:49 PM // 15:49

I think they did the stuff with disease and dervs being able to remove it so its more viable in PvP. I like the change.

Cale Roughstar · Feb 27, 2011, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Disease can be quite strong in PvP. Tainted Flesh Necros go in and out of vogue from time to time, but will never really go away simply due to how strong it is. You can also take a look at some of the matches from yesterday's MaT to see just how strong disease can be.

AngelWJedi · Feb 27, 2011, 05:24 PM // 17:24

considering i seen more grenth then balth dervs in pvp i say its good. xD alot of gvg i watched had least one with them. o.O

dagrdagaz · Feb 27, 2011, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

All your targets in PvP are the same race, so its able to spread. In PvE you commonly face mixed groups or different creature type mobs will frequently patrol near each other.

Hmm, but in PvP, u would also risk infecting yerself (not yerself if u run AoG

) and teammates then.

I would have preferred if AoG does Poison to nearby foes (instead of Disease to adjacent foes)

DRGN · Feb 27, 2011, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by dagrdagaz

Hmm, but in PvP, u would also risk infecting yerself (not yerself if u run AoG

) and teammates then.

I would have preferred if AoG does Poison to nearby foes (instead of Disease to adjacent foes)

Which is why teams without AoG that run Disease often run Tainted Flesh.

Bandwagon · Feb 27, 2011, 05:56 PM // 17:56

Disease is just like poison but it can spread to nearby targets that share the same creature type.

In PvE mobs die so fast that degen is pretty minimal in usefulness. If anything Balth's and Grenth's "end on enchant" effect synergizes effectively with Reap Impurities + Mesmer's Fragility with bunched up foes.

Tyris Requiem · Feb 27, 2011, 06:38 PM // 18:38

Well in PvP

Grenth's Avatar is strong not just because of the disease but numerous other things combined.

For starters scythes and the +damage lifesteal on Grenth lets them pump out damage like crazy. U can also stack with grenths aura which allows a derv push right up into the lord pit and not die. On top of this your scythe does dark damage. since there is no +armour mod against this damage type monks can't make full use of their shields. Then finally we come to the disease which stacks up with all the other degen from blood necros and rangers. Since the disease from grenth lasts only 5 seconds it doesn't really get much of a chance to spread but its still adds 8 damge per second over 5 seconds and in condi-pressure builds this really adds up.

In PvE I herd people are too busy abusing Sand Shards, Pious Renewal, Vow of Strength etc to care about grenths avatar.

IronSheik · Feb 27, 2011, 06:41 PM // 18:41

I find disease to be an incredibly good PvP condition. In fort aspenwood as a EoE bomber, although gimmicky, disease helps to lower all humans on both teams and kill gunther faster.

As far as grenth goes, I agree the disease is moot when compared to burning, but grenth is for life steal rather than the disease, it is just a bonus.

Defiling Treekiller · Feb 27, 2011, 07:24 PM // 19:24

i run rotting flesh in FA all the time and at 16 death with +1 from AotL it lasts for 28 secs. i find its a good source of pressure on healers when you spam it everywhere as MoO said spreading the disease was a great album, you just need to be able to live through it on yourself

drkn · Feb 27, 2011, 07:44 PM // 19:44

PvE - waste of a slot for skill that would kill mobs faster.
PvP - adding a pressure, mostly for the monk(s). Not only DoT, but also kind of a mind game, especially in RA, as monk has to plan his spells and energy better.

novawhiz · Feb 27, 2011, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Nothing but cold hard armor ignoring OP caster damage matters in PvE so disease is pointless.

In PvP disease can be used for pressure and covering other conditions like daze

Axel Zinfandel · Feb 27, 2011, 07:59 PM // 19:59

PvE- eh, degen is mostly useless against enemies save burning if you are running something that synergies with it (ToF!, SF)

PvP- what everyone else said

.HunTer · Feb 27, 2011, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Well,Kurzicks seems to like it in FA,especialy when I'm monking.
They like to spread the disease on the luxons,then get it back,and then spread it to the whole fort.

I suppose it's ok for Luxons to use it,it's a great weapon,since most kurzicks get disease and RUN BACK (argh

)to the fort,thus spreading the disease to the NPCs

Feb 27, 2011, 02:01 PM // 14:01	#1
shinta_himura Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2006 Profession: D/	Disease: What is it good for? I'm currently trying to adjust to the avatar changes, and I've been wondering... Just how useful is disease? Compared to Balthazar's aura which can dish out incredible amounts of burning, what good is Grenth's disease effect? Also, is it useless in PvP?

Feb 27, 2011, 06:38 PM // 18:38	#14
Tyris Requiem Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: UK Profession: W/	Well in PvP Grenth's Avatar is strong not just because of the disease but numerous other things combined. For starters scythes and the +damage lifesteal on Grenth lets them pump out damage like crazy. U can also stack with grenths aura which allows a derv push right up into the lord pit and not die. On top of this your scythe does dark damage. since there is no +armour mod against this damage type monks can't make full use of their shields. Then finally we come to the disease which stacks up with all the other degen from blood necros and rangers. Since the disease from grenth lasts only 5 seconds it doesn't really get much of a chance to spread but its still adds 8 damge per second over 5 seconds and in condi-pressure builds this really adds up. In PvE I herd people are too busy abusing Sand Shards, Pious Renewal, Vow of Strength etc to care about grenths avatar. Last edited by Tyris Requiem; Feb 27, 2011 at 06:42 PM // 18:42..

Feb 27, 2011, 02:15 PM // 14:15	#2
Wrath of m0o Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Boston Ma. Guild: Is That Your Build[HaHa] Profession: P/W	Disease : See "Darwinism" It's gods way of saying we are not all created equal. No really, inflicted fleshy targets suffer 4 health degeneration, and spreads like the plague. I know a few necros that swear by rotting flesh. Kinda makes me want to break out my old Anthrax - Spreading the Disease album.

Feb 27, 2011, 02:22 PM // 14:22	#3
Steps_Descending Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: IN my pocket plane. Obviously! Guild: Little Tom's Pocket Plane [THom] Profession: Me/Mo	Probably weaker than AoB's burning, but still constant (even throught heavy removal) dot on everything. It's probably not too bad, accept it dowsn't synergise with ele/para.

Feb 27, 2011, 03:23 PM // 15:23	#6
S4br3t00th Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: France Guild: IGN> Answer Is No Profession: Mo/	As for PvP, it's not useless at all... It's still 4 pips of AoE degen that reapply every so often and covers things like cripple or deep wound. It makes trying to remove those harmful conditons require skills like Draw, RC, or FF... all of those infact :/ That plus the noticeable life steal and dark damage conversion make AoG very potent at dealing damage (as much at least than adrenaline and burning would IMO). Vampirism helps with durability more than lousy armor for which you just need to swap weapons :/ For PvE I suggest you stick with balthazar, as mobs don't change weapons, and are often weak versus light damage and immune to disease, unless against destroyers...

Feb 27, 2011, 03:46 PM // 15:46	#7
MithranArkanere Underworld Spelunker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo Guild: Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO] Profession: E/	I used it last night against destroyers a Avatar of Grenth build. Some cracked armor here, some deep wound there, disease all over the place, plus quite some life stealing, and you can be in the middle of a bunch of destroyers in HM without needing much healing. Every 20 seconds, my health jumped up with Grenth's Aura. And along mystic corruption, you can even use disease against humans while also removing disease from your allies.

Feb 27, 2011, 03:49 PM // 15:49	#8
jazilla Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: Guernsey Milking Coalition[MiLk] Profession: E/Me	I think they did the stuff with disease and dervs being able to remove it so its more viable in PvP. I like the change.

Feb 27, 2011, 03:54 PM // 15:54	#9
Cale Roughstar Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada Guild: Guy In Real Life [GIRL] Profession: W/E	Disease can be quite strong in PvP. Tainted Flesh Necros go in and out of vogue from time to time, but will never really go away simply due to how strong it is. You can also take a look at some of the matches from yesterday's MaT to see just how strong disease can be.

Feb 27, 2011, 05:24 PM // 17:24	#10
AngelWJedi Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: orlando,florida Guild: Society of Souls [Argh] Profession: Rt/E	considering i seen more grenth then balth dervs in pvp i say its good. xD alot of gvg i watched had least one with them. o.O

Feb 27, 2011, 05:56 PM // 17:56	#13
Bandwagon Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2010 Profession: D/	Disease is just like poison but it can spread to nearby targets that share the same creature type. In PvE mobs die so fast that degen is pretty minimal in usefulness. If anything Balth's and Grenth's "end on enchant" effect synergizes effectively with Reap Impurities + Mesmer's Fragility with bunched up foes.

Feb 27, 2011, 06:41 PM // 18:41	#15
IronSheik Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Wolfenstein: Goldrush Guild: Zombies Go Nom Nom [Nom] Profession: N/	I find disease to be an incredibly good PvP condition. In fort aspenwood as a EoE bomber, although gimmicky, disease helps to lower all humans on both teams and kill gunther faster. As far as grenth goes, I agree the disease is moot when compared to burning, but grenth is for life steal rather than the disease, it is just a bonus.

Feb 27, 2011, 07:24 PM // 19:24	#16
Defiling Treekiller Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2009 Guild: Stopshovelling were not Dead yet[WURM] Profession: Mo/Me	i run rotting flesh in FA all the time and at 16 death with +1 from AotL it lasts for 28 secs. i find its a good source of pressure on healers when you spam it everywhere as MoO said spreading the disease was a great album, you just need to be able to live through it on yourself

Feb 27, 2011, 07:44 PM // 19:44	#17
drkn Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wroc??aw, Poland Guild: Midnight Mayhem Profession: Me/	PvE - waste of a slot for skill that would kill mobs faster. PvP - adding a pressure, mostly for the monk(s). Not only DoT, but also kind of a mind game, especially in RA, as monk has to plan his spells and energy better.

Feb 27, 2011, 07:50 PM // 19:50	#18
novawhiz Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: A/	Nothing but cold hard armor ignoring OP caster damage matters in PvE so disease is pointless. In PvP disease can be used for pressure and covering other conditions like daze

Feb 27, 2011, 07:59 PM // 19:59	#19
Axel Zinfandel Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeastern Ohio Guild: LaZy Profession: P/W	PvE- eh, degen is mostly useless against enemies save burning if you are running something that synergies with it (ToF!, SF) PvP- what everyone else said

Feb 27, 2011, 08:03 PM // 20:03	#20
.HunTer Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2009 Profession: W/E	Well,Kurzicks seems to like it in FA,especialy when I'm monking. They like to spread the disease on the luxons,then get it back,and then spread it to the whole fort. I suppose it's ok for Luxons to use it,it's a great weapon,since most kurzicks get disease and RUN BACK (argh )to the fort,thus spreading the disease to the NPCs