Hide/Change Guild wars IP Adress - Guild Wars Forums

Asp · Apr 17, 2011, 09:55 PM // 21:55

Because of this thread:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10477954

I tried to convince my brother, but he wouldn't listen. I am now wondering if it is possible to change my ip from his while playing on the same computer?

*Darcy* · Apr 17, 2011, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Your IP is assigned by your service provider. The only way to change it to something different from your brother's is to get a separate internet service and modem.

Sir Baddock · Apr 18, 2011, 02:24 AM // 02:24

Or use a service which masks his IP which can also be used to bypass various banning methods (such as IP Bans), however if your brother should ever be banned it'll most likely be an account ban and not an IP ban. IP Bans are generally saved for extreme cases, if he's doing something like botting you could always try appealing to NCSoft Support or even talk to Gaile on her wiki page.

Kojima · Apr 18, 2011, 02:30 AM // 02:30

I have heard of programmes that can do that. One of which is Hotspot shield. How well it works or if it does work? I have absolutely no idea.

gremlin · Apr 18, 2011, 10:45 AM // 10:45

Wouldn't worry because each pc has its own id so does the windows installation the router/modem.
There are plenty of ways for companies to work out who is doing what and when even though they connect through one ip address.

My ip address is not unique to me other customers of my isp have the same ip address but my login details and the router mac address is different.

Banning by IP address is next to useless for their purposes.

majoho · Apr 18, 2011, 11:35 AM // 11:35

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Originally Posted by gremlin

Wouldn't worry because each pc has its own id so does the windows installation the router/modem

Did you miss the part where he said he was using the same computer?

sykoone · Apr 18, 2011, 11:44 AM // 11:44

With them on the same system, it's very likely both accounts would be banned. About all you can do is be proactive and turn your brother in and beg they not ban you as well. Of course, if he ever used your account for botting, or trading goods from his account, you're going to get banned anyway.

Silmar Alech · Apr 18, 2011, 12:18 PM // 12:18

If your brother's account is banned, most certainly your account will be banned as well. I'm sure, from Arenanet's point of view both accounts are played by the same person:
- same ip
- same computer
- same online-time (one logs out, the other logs in)

You are probably even playing the same guild wars installation - same gw.exe, same gw.dat. That's the very same configuration the typical bot user has with multiple accounts.

I doubt you would be able to convince support that you are a different person than the one who was banned.

How you can work around this:

Not easy, if you can't stop your brother from botting. Depends on your budget.

To completely disassociate your account from that of your brother, get your own PC, on which your brothers never plays. It is likely (but not confirmed) that each Guild Wars installation on a machine can be identified by the GW servers - simply getting a new IP address would not help to make the servers forget who played on this machine previously.

You also need your own internet account. If you only get your own PC but are using the internet with the same internet account via router that is shared with your brother, you still have the same IP address from Arenanet's point of view. Your router gets one public IP address assigned by your internet provider, and the router assigns internal IP addresses to each of your computers. But visible to the outside world is only the one public IP address you got from your provider. Get your own internet account with your own router with your own public IP address and don't connect a network cable to your brother's computer.

If you cannot get your own internet connection, it may be possible to get a different IP address by resetting your router before you start playing and after you are done playing. Some Internet providers assign new and different IP addresses each time a client connects, but some don't. You might try how it works at your provider.

Urcscumug · Apr 18, 2011, 01:54 PM // 13:54

I will repeat what Gizzy told you on the other thread: you will get banned along with your brother. It's not a question of "if", it's a question of "when". After it happens it will be too late, ANet will most likely not listen to your excuses.

Choices:
1) Kick his ass and make him stop botting, now.
2) Report him and get him banned.
3) You both get banned, you buy the campaigns again, make another account, start from scratch and hope your brother doesn't do the same.
4) You buy a shell account on a dedicated server and set up a VPN or tunnel and make your exit IP appear different from your brother's. But it's no guarantee this will help, and it's like hammering nails with a microscope.

Just out of curiosity, what's your brother's long term plan? What does he plan to do if he gets banned? Does he plan to gather a lot of ectos fast and transfer it to another account in case he gets banned? Or he doesn't belive he'll get banned ever? Or just not planning ahead at all, just enjoys pissing on your enjoyment of the game as well? Seriously, he's being very stupid.

TheGizzy · Apr 18, 2011, 02:05 PM // 14:05

In all likelihood, the "damage," as it were, is already done. I've yet to work for a gaming company that doesn't log the IP address on which an account was created, the second most recent IP address used and the most recent IP address used. This is in addition to stored records of IP addresses during financial transactions, in-game money transfers (not all companies record this), etc. That does not mean ANet does the same thing - I have no idea what information they store - just that what I've listed above is the "norm" among many other developers.

When we're setting out to ban someone, we use a sniffer to pull matches out of the dbase where such information is stored. The one I use most frequently has some fairly sophisticated pattern recognition which can - most of the time - tell with high accuracy if an IP match is the result of a dynamic provider rolling addresses (like AOL, which most are familiar with) and will flag those for additional review. One of the reasons why a wide-spread banning event seems to take months for companies to initiate is because there's generally a lot of human double-checking going on. An example of this may be the ToPK farming bots... now that they've stopped the farm, they can take their time ID'ing the accounts involved in botting and any associated accounts, and we'll likely see a mass ban come down soon.

So with all that said - as I said in your other thread, this all means that there is an extremely high likelihood that when they ban your brother's account(s), they will ban yours as well. And the chances of them then reversing your ban, no matter what you offer as "proof" that you are two separate people engaged in two separate activities, are slim to none - emphasis on the none.

Changing your IP address now is not going to unlink your account from that IP address, or from any botting activities recorded as being associated from that IP address.

If the sniffer kicked back your account as having once been associated with his account, on the same IP, that's the kind of thing that would be reviewed by humans. Ok, so here's your account on a new IP address... but... your mailing address with your NCSoft master account hasn't changed, your IP address is still in the same range from the same provider, your computer specs are still the same, your login times remain consistent versus the logins of the bot accounts. I'd look at that and think, "botter trying to protect his real playing account... ban with the rest."

As I also mentioned previously - your brother wasn't smart enough to set it up so his bots were running on a completely separate IP address to start with, he's not smart enough to keep from being caught eventually. As such, it is only a matter of time before you are banned right along with him. He clearly doesn't care that his activities are going to cause you to lose your account. While I understand trying to be loyal to family, I also don't think anyone is entitled to pull me under the bus with them... apparently you feel it's ok for your brother to pull you under the bus with him. That's your choice.

Draca · Apr 18, 2011, 05:04 PM // 17:04

So if this is true why even bother to take name, address, phone and whatever else they ask when you make a master account?

I'm sure his screwed if they are on the same master account because they would have the same owner.

Throwing him in in jail because the brother robed a bank seems absurd.
I have no experience with bans, but baning because they are on the same computer/ip is just lunacy. Then again that's MMO companies in a nutshell.

To OP question: No there is no way to get around the ip issue unless you can plug in a switch to the modem and place both computers directly on the internet and get two separate IPs. Sometimes the ISP can use router not unlike the one you have so several of their clients use the same public IP. If you get a 192.168.X.X address then this is the case. Some other ranges i can't get on top of my head.

Other then you can connect remotely to a other computer and use that connection to connect to GW.

Urcscumug · Apr 18, 2011, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Draca

Throwing him in in jail because the brother robed a bank seems absurd.

Their game, their servers, their terms, you agree or you don't play. It's not a real life crime, you don't get real life rights.

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Originally Posted by Draca

I have no experience with bans, but baning because they are on the same computer/ip is just lunacy.

Gizzy explained it in detail. To ANet the activities of these two brothers will appear like the excuses of a botter trying to save one of his accounts. What do you want them to do, come to his house and see if the story is true?

gremlin · Apr 18, 2011, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by majoho

Did you miss the part where he said he was using the same computer?

In the words of Homer Simson DOH !!!!!

I did miss that bit lol

*Darcy* · Apr 18, 2011, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by majoho

Did you miss the part where he said he was using the same computer?

He's confusing the issue now. In the previous thread, he said they play (or did play) together.

@OP - you haven't mentioned ages, but if you are living with your parents, possibly you could speak to them about this problem. Explain the chances of your brother getting caught increase daily and that you both will lose your game accounts, thereby wasting all the money spent on the games.

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Originally Posted by Urcscumug

To ANet the activities of these two brothers will appear like the excuses of a botter trying to save one of his accounts. What do you want them to do, come to his house and see if the story is true?

This is what most people seem to think. That the game company should always give a player the benefit of the doubt. When in reality, most times they do, they find the account botting again. They have learned to save themselves the trouble and shut it all down. It's not fair, but then life isn't.

Iuris · Apr 19, 2011, 06:44 AM // 06:44

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Originally Posted by Draca

Throwing him in in jail because the brother robed a bank seems absurd.
I have no experience with bans, but baning because they are on the same computer/ip is just lunacy. Then again that's MMO companies in a nutshell.

They wouldn't ban him for being on the same IP and computer. If they believed he was a different person, they wouldn't ban him. The problem is that's not what they are likely to believe.

To anyone else, OP's situation is indistinguishable from one person with two accounts, using one to perform prohibited activities and the other as a safe main.

I can see no other real option but to try to find ways how to prove that they are two separate persons. Screenshots of both playing together? Videos even? Think creatively.

P.S. I'd certainly avoid any trading with the brother.

P.P.S. how about preemptively sabotaging brother's account?

**Marty Silverblade** · Apr 19, 2011, 06:53 AM // 06:53

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Originally Posted by Iuris

I can see no other real option but to try to find ways how to prove that they are two separate persons. Screenshots of both playing together? Videos even? Think creatively.

Neither of those are of any use. You don't need two people to run two accounts. There is no reason a botter couldn't run a botting account and a non-botting account at the same time. Even videos can be easily manipulated with this.

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P.S. I'd certainly avoid any trading with the brother.

P.P.S. how about preemptively sabotaging brother's account?

Also this. Although I'd have threatened to report him if they don't remove the bot. There's no way I'd risk 3k hours and 41/50 HoM because a family member was being an idiot.

Iuris · Apr 19, 2011, 09:08 AM // 09:08

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

Neither of those are of any use. You don't need two people to run two accounts. There is no reason a botter couldn't run a botting account and a non-botting account at the same time. Even videos can be easily manipulated with this.

I know. But that was the limit I reached with my creativity. Apart from showing paralell activity from both, I fail to see what one could do that would possibly convince support.

Better to start brute forcing the brother's account until it takes too long for him to actually get in

Apr 17, 2011, 09:55 PM // 21:55	#1
Asp Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2011	Hide/Change Guild wars IP Adress Because of this thread: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10477954 I tried to convince my brother, but he wouldn't listen. I am now wondering if it is possible to change my ip from his while playing on the same computer?

Apr 18, 2011, 05:04 PM // 17:04	#11
Draca Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Sweden Profession: E/	So if this is true why even bother to take name, address, phone and whatever else they ask when you make a master account? I'm sure his screwed if they are on the same master account because they would have the same owner. Throwing him in in jail because the brother robed a bank seems absurd. I have no experience with bans, but baning because they are on the same computer/ip is just lunacy. Then again that's MMO companies in a nutshell. To OP question: No there is no way to get around the ip issue unless you can plug in a switch to the modem and place both computers directly on the internet and get two separate IPs. Sometimes the ISP can use router not unlike the one you have so several of their clients use the same public IP. If you get a 192.168.X.X address then this is the case. Some other ranges i can't get on top of my head. Other then you can connect remotely to a other computer and use that connection to connect to GW. Last edited by Draca; Apr 18, 2011 at 05:15 PM // 17:15..

Apr 17, 2011, 10:44 PM // 22:44	#2
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	Your IP is assigned by your service provider. The only way to change it to something different from your brother's is to get a separate internet service and modem.

Apr 18, 2011, 02:24 AM // 02:24	#3
Sir Baddock Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada Guild: Endemic Warfare Profession: W/	Or use a service which masks his IP which can also be used to bypass various banning methods (such as IP Bans), however if your brother should ever be banned it'll most likely be an account ban and not an IP ban. IP Bans are generally saved for extreme cases, if he's doing something like botting you could always try appealing to NCSoft Support or even talk to Gaile on her wiki page.

Apr 18, 2011, 02:30 AM // 02:30	#4
Kojima Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Home Guild: En Caligne Veritas [DARK] Profession: R/Rt	I have heard of programmes that can do that. One of which is Hotspot shield. How well it works or if it does work? I have absolutely no idea.

Apr 18, 2011, 10:45 AM // 10:45	#5
gremlin Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: GWAR Profession: Me/Mo	Wouldn't worry because each pc has its own id so does the windows installation the router/modem. There are plenty of ways for companies to work out who is doing what and when even though they connect through one ip address. My ip address is not unique to me other customers of my isp have the same ip address but my login details and the router mac address is different. Banning by IP address is next to useless for their purposes.

Apr 18, 2011, 11:44 AM // 11:44	#7
sykoone Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Mystical Chaos Profession: E/	With them on the same system, it's very likely both accounts would be banned. About all you can do is be proactive and turn your brother in and beg they not ban you as well. Of course, if he ever used your account for botting, or trading goods from his account, you're going to get banned anyway.

Apr 18, 2011, 12:18 PM // 12:18	#8
Silmar Alech Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Europe Guild: Tom Son [TS] Profession: E/	If your brother's account is banned, most certainly your account will be banned as well. I'm sure, from Arenanet's point of view both accounts are played by the same person: - same ip - same computer - same online-time (one logs out, the other logs in) You are probably even playing the same guild wars installation - same gw.exe, same gw.dat. That's the very same configuration the typical bot user has with multiple accounts. I doubt you would be able to convince support that you are a different person than the one who was banned. How you can work around this: Not easy, if you can't stop your brother from botting. Depends on your budget. To completely disassociate your account from that of your brother, get your own PC, on which your brothers never plays. It is likely (but not confirmed) that each Guild Wars installation on a machine can be identified by the GW servers - simply getting a new IP address would not help to make the servers forget who played on this machine previously. You also need your own internet account. If you only get your own PC but are using the internet with the same internet account via router that is shared with your brother, you still have the same IP address from Arenanet's point of view. Your router gets one public IP address assigned by your internet provider, and the router assigns internal IP addresses to each of your computers. But visible to the outside world is only the one public IP address you got from your provider. Get your own internet account with your own router with your own public IP address and don't connect a network cable to your brother's computer. If you cannot get your own internet connection, it may be possible to get a different IP address by resetting your router before you start playing and after you are done playing. Some Internet providers assign new and different IP addresses each time a client connects, but some don't. You might try how it works at your provider.

Apr 18, 2011, 01:54 PM // 13:54	#9
Urcscumug Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2011 Guild: UNO Profession: W/	I will repeat what Gizzy told you on the other thread: you will get banned along with your brother. It's not a question of "if", it's a question of "when". After it happens it will be too late, ANet will most likely not listen to your excuses. Choices: 1) Kick his ass and make him stop botting, now. 2) Report him and get him banned. 3) You both get banned, you buy the campaigns again, make another account, start from scratch and hope your brother doesn't do the same. 4) You buy a shell account on a dedicated server and set up a VPN or tunnel and make your exit IP appear different from your brother's. But it's no guarantee this will help, and it's like hammering nails with a microscope. Just out of curiosity, what's your brother's long term plan? What does he plan to do if he gets banned? Does he plan to gather a lot of ectos fast and transfer it to another account in case he gets banned? Or he doesn't belive he'll get banned ever? Or just not planning ahead at all, just enjoys pissing on your enjoyment of the game as well? Seriously, he's being very stupid.

Apr 18, 2011, 02:05 PM // 14:05	#10
TheGizzy Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: A giant mitten Guild: TeAe Profession: E/R	In all likelihood, the "damage," as it were, is already done. I've yet to work for a gaming company that doesn't log the IP address on which an account was created, the second most recent IP address used and the most recent IP address used. This is in addition to stored records of IP addresses during financial transactions, in-game money transfers (not all companies record this), etc. That does not mean ANet does the same thing - I have no idea what information they store - just that what I've listed above is the "norm" among many other developers. When we're setting out to ban someone, we use a sniffer to pull matches out of the dbase where such information is stored. The one I use most frequently has some fairly sophisticated pattern recognition which can - most of the time - tell with high accuracy if an IP match is the result of a dynamic provider rolling addresses (like AOL, which most are familiar with) and will flag those for additional review. One of the reasons why a wide-spread banning event seems to take months for companies to initiate is because there's generally a lot of human double-checking going on. An example of this may be the ToPK farming bots... now that they've stopped the farm, they can take their time ID'ing the accounts involved in botting and any associated accounts, and we'll likely see a mass ban come down soon. So with all that said - as I said in your other thread, this all means that there is an extremely high likelihood that when they ban your brother's account(s), they will ban yours as well. And the chances of them then reversing your ban, no matter what you offer as "proof" that you are two separate people engaged in two separate activities, are slim to none - emphasis on the none. Changing your IP address now is not going to unlink your account from that IP address, or from any botting activities recorded as being associated from that IP address. If the sniffer kicked back your account as having once been associated with his account, on the same IP, that's the kind of thing that would be reviewed by humans. Ok, so here's your account on a new IP address... but... your mailing address with your NCSoft master account hasn't changed, your IP address is still in the same range from the same provider, your computer specs are still the same, your login times remain consistent versus the logins of the bot accounts. I'd look at that and think, "botter trying to protect his real playing account... ban with the rest." As I also mentioned previously - your brother wasn't smart enough to set it up so his bots were running on a completely separate IP address to start with, he's not smart enough to keep from being caught eventually. As such, it is only a matter of time before you are banned right along with him. He clearly doesn't care that his activities are going to cause you to lose your account. While I understand trying to be loyal to family, I also don't think anyone is entitled to pull me under the bus with them... apparently you feel it's ok for your brother to pull you under the bus with him. That's your choice.