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Demaware · Apr 14, 2011, 10:39 AM // 10:39

not? I played WoW for a couple of years already and left and returned to the game like 5 times. So i tried GW this week and im almost lvl 7 and i liked the concept of 8 abilities at 1 time thingy buuuut the game wasn't that great until now. Before you laugh saying this is only lvl 7, think about leveling up in WoW until lvl 15 or so (about the same time more or less)- in WoW its a lot more organized and fun. Moreover, people interaction is really missing in GW, while in WoW not every exploring area is a lonely instance.
Now i saw in forums that most people say GW>WoW atleast in PVP and graphics. But these Threads were 4-5 years ago...can it be that after so long- WoW, and especially lately with cataclysm expansion, is a better game in every aspect from GW?
For example- WoW graphics are actually better than GW right now, although it's cartoony.

majoho · Apr 14, 2011, 10:55 AM // 10:55

It's apples to oranges, the games are completely different you might as well have compared GW to Tetris.

Also if you are playing the trial of GW you are only seeing a limited part of the game since GW is a grouped game you can't play solo, you have to play with either other players or henchmen/heroes.

WoW has technically better graphics than GW at this point, WoW have updated the engine recently the GW engine hasn't been updated for 3 years or so.

Demaware · Apr 14, 2011, 11:01 AM // 11:01

Sorry to disappoint you but im not playing in a trial. I have a real account...
+Whats the problem in comparing between games? If you say you enjoy tetris more than GW it means you think tetris is better (hopefully not), isnt it?
+Isn't playing with henchmen/heroes is the same as playing alone (atleast in the friendly part)?

Matirion Maeronta · Apr 14, 2011, 11:25 AM // 11:25

Comparing games with a completely different style of gameplay is rather hard if not impossible. The only way to compare it would be the common grounds, such as graphics/sound. That would mean everything that almost every game has (most games have graphics...) which is often influenced by opinions (ie. I myself prefer GW graphics over WoW due to the toony thing, you might disagree). As the gameplay doesn't have much ground to compare on, doing it objectively is impossible. Without an objective comparison, you will not be able to call either of them better. If you hate apples but like oranges, it doesn't mean oranges are better.
The reason early parts of the game are rather empty is simple: people aim to reach lvl 20 as fast as possible to go to elite areas. This is easilly possible in an hour, if you know what you are doing. This easier to compare to getting lvl 15 in WoW, except not having any lvls after that. The people who rush to get lvl 20 often aren't interested in doing the story again for the 20th time.
And while playing with heroes removes the social part the same way as playing solo does, the game changes alot if you do try it without them. That is probably what majoho meant. Although you can play solo (without hero/henchman or other players) if you are good enough, it's alot more of a challenge and impossible without experience.

Zebideedee · Apr 14, 2011, 11:26 AM // 11:26

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It's apples to oranges, the games are completely different you might as well have compared GW to Tetris.[

Tetris doesn't have monthly fees as far as I know, only an idiot would continue paying to play a game after they buy it

cataphract · Apr 14, 2011, 11:35 AM // 11:35

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Originally Posted by Demaware

Sorry to disappoint you but im not playing in a trial. I have a real account...
+Whats the problem in comparing between games? If you say you enjoy tetris more than GW it means you think tetris is better (hopefully not), isnt it?
+Isn't playing with henchmen/heroes is the same as playing alone (atleast in the friendly part)?

It's precisely that possibily to "play alone" that makes me love GW so much. And let's not forget the absence of "epic" gear you have to grind ages for. In GW equipment is balanced and that means a lot for people with a casual play style. Last but not least - I couldn't stand WoW's graphics. They're hideous.

general shaun · Apr 14, 2011, 01:16 PM // 13:16

I don't think they are really comparable.
Whilst you'll see people say one is better than the other, it is all just opinion

Guild Wars is pay once, play for free. That means the content you buy is all you have (sure there are updates/campaigns etc.)

WoW is a subscription based game, it is designed to keep you playing in order to make money. WoW draws you in and makes you want to carry on playing, because thats how it gains revenue. Its also a well established game, that has sold more copies, giving them a reason to keep people interested.
With that in mind, blizzard will keep people wanting to play the game, because they can make a profit from it.

Guild wars, doesn't need you to keep playing, it makes its money based on you purchasing campaigns. sure it makes some money off of micro-transactions. but once you've bought it, they don't need to keep you playing.

Because of this, WoW appears to be the better game, it can continue to be supported and gain new content.

Guild wars only has a few people working on it, because ANet are at work on Guild Wars 2, which they will make their money from in a similar way.

WoW is an mmorpg, Guild Wars is more of a corpg, that makes them very different games.

Trying to compare them is almost like comparing a single player rpg, with an mmo. They are designed in a different way, to achieve different goals.

jcegt87 · Apr 14, 2011, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by Zebideedee

Tetris doesn't have monthly fees as far as I know, only an idiot would continue paying to play a game after they buy it

i used to have this same mentally but lately GW has become sure a bore fest and qq area (b!tch and nag that anet is blah blah blah) i started playing LOTRO and even thought its now F2P i decided to get the VIP option because you know what i dont mind paying a small fee ( what i would spend on a burger and fries in todays market hell or even a single movie ticket) to actually be entertained hell even some games are what 60 bucks for a game most people finish with in hours or days if your a casual

as to the OP yeah GW is declining and until they come out with new content ( WoC ) people will not really be on and heck i never played WoW but i do believe WoW is a little better at this moment ...now if it were a couple years back then hands down GW woulda taken the trophy but as of now i dont think GW can keep up

Quaker · Apr 14, 2011, 01:33 PM // 13:33

Having played both games, I'd say there's a lot to like about WoW. Any players who are burned out on GW, could try WoW as something to do until GW2 comes out, but I think that WoW, like GW, has now become something that appeals more to veteran players than to new players. There are too many veterans around (in both games) that either give too much stuff away, and/or "run" people through too many things, and or purposely screw up others.
Btw, I played WoW for about 6 months and got my Mage to level 60. And, as I've said before, I might still be playing WoW if it hadn't been for ganking and crap that goes on on the PvP servers. My clan/guild was on a PvP server so naturally, I too played on a PvP server too.
I the long run, I prefer GW I guess, but WoW is a good game in spite of what some GW fanboys are likely to say.

Graphics-wise I haven't played WoW for a year or more, so I can't say what they are like now, but GW's graphics were a lot better than WoW's back when I played. I would imagine that the comic-book fantasy graphics are still there, but with more effects. I've always preferred the "look" of GW.

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Tetris doesn't have monthly fees as far as I know, only an idiot would continue paying to play a game after they buy it

Only an idiot would say this. How many people continue to pay monthly for cable even after they've bought the TV and even when they don't watch it. Or, how about paying for a Golf Club membership even after you've bought the clubs and balls. Or how about those connection fees for Xbox? Etc., etc..

SpyderArachnid · Apr 14, 2011, 02:06 PM // 14:06

You can't really compare the two. Yes they are both MMORPG's, but they are two completely different style games.

I've played WoW to 85, farmed my heroics and knocked out a few raids. Played GW to 20 with a 37/50 HoM and several years learning the ins and outs. They are very VERY different games that can't be compared side by side in a "who is better" war. They are geared towards two different kinds of play styles.

The forth fly · Apr 14, 2011, 02:11 PM // 14:11

Newbie areas of WoW are just as dead as GW.Play Rift if you want a WoW clone not GW

FallenAngel_ · Apr 14, 2011, 02:34 PM // 14:34

IMO...

WoW's endgame consists of repetitive raids and achievements. GW's is a wider range of dungeons, elite areas, vanquishes and titles.
WoW's PvP requires specific equipment which creates a gap between pro/noob.
GW's PvP titles create a gab between the two but gear is leveled. More relied on skill (or rank of titles)

WoW's character variety is only a few roles per spec for meta.
GW's character variety is a little more vast.

WoW's areas tend to be 20min walking for a 5min quest.
GW's areas tend to be 5min walking with about 5-10min quest.

Zebideedee · Apr 14, 2011, 02:39 PM // 14:39

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Only an idiot would say this. How many people continue to pay monthly for cable even after they've bought the TV and even when they don't watch it. Or, how about paying for a Golf Club membership even after you've bought the clubs and balls. Or how about those connection fees for Xbox?

Sorry all the things you have mentioned are OPTIONAL extras

depeche · Apr 14, 2011, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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Originally Posted by Demaware

not? I played WoW for a couple of years already and left and returned to the game like 5 times. So i tried GW this week and im almost lvl 7 and i liked the concept of 8 abilities at 1 time thingy buuuut the game wasn't that great until now. Before you laugh saying this is only lvl 7, think about leveling up in WoW until lvl 15 or so (about the same time more or less)- in WoW its a lot more organized and fun. Moreover, people interaction is really missing in GW, while in WoW not every exploring area is a lonely instance.
Now i saw in forums that most people say GW>WoW atleast in PVP and graphics. But these Threads were 4-5 years ago...can it be that after so long- WoW, and especially lately with cataclysm expansion, is a better game in every aspect from GW?
For example- WoW graphics are actually better than GW right now, although it's cartoony.

U can't really compare both games.
Its personal preference which u like better.

What I like about Guild Wars is the fact that everything is based upon skills and not level/gear.
Especially in PvP this fact shines.

Next to that, from reading your post, i am inclined to believe that u are not part of a guild and play the game solo.
That is doable, but you are missing a lot of fun.

Guild wars (Guild --> get it) is designed (PvE-wise) to play with a group of friends.
When u tackle the missions in a group its much more fun.

Besides, u are only level 7, probably Pre-Searing or maybe just beyond that.
U have only seen a fraction of what this game has to offer.

My advice : get a guild (go to great temple - there is always recruiting going on there), tackle the pve-side first and do some end game content (dungeons etc).
Then go PvP , try Random Arena, Alliance battles and get some experience.
Then try out a GvG, i bet you, your mouth will fall open.

jcegt87 · Apr 14, 2011, 02:52 PM // 14:52

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Originally Posted by FallenAngel_

IMO...

WoW's endgame consists of repetitive raids and achievements. GW's is a wider range of dungeons, elite areas, vanquishes and titles.

WoW's PvP requires specific equipment which creates a gap between pro/noob.
GW's PvP titles create a gab between the two but gear is leveled. More relied on skill (or rank of titles)

WoW's character variety is only a few roles per spec for meta.
GW's character variety is a little more vast.

WoW's areas tend to be 20min walking for a 5min quest.
GW's areas tend to be 5min walking with about 5-10min quest.

1.which ones you played the game for a certain amount of years it becomes repetitive as well as to why they made zaishen mission bountys and now VQs

2.Rank is the main one rank descrimintaion is here to stay

3.correct

and

4. i beg to differ on some quests its more the annoyance of killing some mobs to get to one little place just to have to go back to the same place you came from

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Originally Posted by Zebideedee

Sorry all the things you have mentioned are OPTIONAL extras

well it IS optional to play a P2P game is it not?

and in my case with lotro it IS optional to P2P considering lotro is now F2P

Kojima · Apr 14, 2011, 03:29 PM // 15:29

I had a 85lvl char in WOW too. And GW and WOW are two very different games.

The very reason why I like GW is the same reason why I dislike WOW.

You cannot twist GW into WOW to make a comparison because GW will never be anything near what WOW is. GW is GW and that is that. I have played tons of MMOPRGs, American made, Korean made, Japanese made, Chinese made... you name it... and many are WOW clones. But GW is GW and that is that.

Comparing GW to WOW is like comparing Doctor Who with BSG. The genre may be the same but the two are distinctively different.

Another thing: Lvl 7? Seriously? You need to play a lot more then. Though the level cap is 20, some of the vets here may have over millions of exp points... maybe even tens of millions in exp points in just one of their characters.

Norian · Apr 14, 2011, 04:46 PM // 16:46

I prefer GW over WoW because the core/foundation of GW is skill based instead of "roll your face over the keyboard and win" or "play with a straw from your mouth and win" type of game like WoW is now...

X Dr Pepper X · Apr 14, 2011, 05:55 PM // 17:55

I personally like GW much better than WoW which I have an extreme dislike for.

BUT

GW1 is horribly maintained compared to WoW.

Comparatively, WoW's state of gameplay is much better than GW's. PvE is balanced, difficulty exists in PvE, PvP is more balanced and maintained and alive, the in game economy is better, the game is not dying, etc.

Other than that, its personal preference over what game you like more.

People are gonna come in here and boo hoo about the factual information I have given saying that the state of GW is better than WoW because they are fanboys who ignore logic and factual information.

So be it. I am giving you true facts so you can make ample consideration on GW and WoW.

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Originally Posted by Norian

I prefer GW over WoW because the core/foundation of GW is skill based instead of "roll your face over the keyboard and win" or "play with a straw from your mouth and win" type of game like WoW is now...

Just because you don't like WoW, doesn't mean it requires no skill.

Because it requires no skill or talent, you are a feasible top level player in PvE and PvP in WoW right?

I'll take every opportunity to insult and slander WoW because I hate it, but it requires skill.

Introverted Dimensions · Apr 14, 2011, 06:04 PM // 18:04

I was going to make a topic somewhat similar to this but I guess I'll just post here.

I can't for the life of me keep any interest in Guild Wars. I started again when the introduced the 7 hero party stuff and that lasted for two days before I never went back on. I've only really gotten two characters through all the expansions in GW. I can't be bothered to get anymore because it's so repetitive and mind numbingly dull that I simply don't care. I never bothered farming because it was boring and I had terrible luck. People have told me that it's probably because I was broke and couldn't get nice things. Thats where they were wrong. I did surprisingly well and I've NEVER farmed. I don't even farm for the travelers stuff because I can't be bothered. If people in ally chat are giving the mats away for it I'll sometimes take it.

The story line, cutscenes, voice acting(especially) are like nails on a chalkboard for me.
They're so poorly done that it's aggravating. I honestly hope it's better in GW2, which I don't know I should even bother buying as I regret buying anything past the original GW.

As for WoW, they've definitely mastered the art of MMO's. It's a good game and will probably continue to flourish for alot longer. It's alot different now than what it used to be and that's good. I can sit here and make a 10 page list on why WoW is better but I'm not going to.

ruk1a · Apr 14, 2011, 07:13 PM // 19:13

WoW pve > GW pve
GW pvp > WoW pvp

too many buttons in pvp in WoW, i find the need to buy a gaming mouse/keyboard silly because i have to bind over 20 keys. really, it's dumb. stuns & cc in pvp are retarded, kiting is way retarded casterwise (COUGH LOLFRSTMAEG) dumb mechanics where you need to be behind target for certain attacks and them only needing to backpedal their way to victory is absolutely terrible, i quit a whole class because of it. blizzard caring only about money and their devs being biased depending on what character they play is really silly, which both have been proven time and time again so no need to argue with me there. there are plenty more cons but those in my eyes are the worst, on the upside, the game has turned insanely casual compared to what it used to be. basically i only log on to raid 8 hours a week with my brother & the rest of the guild on my dk otherwise i'm playing diablo 2 because it's less dead than GW.

cons about GW for me would only include lack of updates (this includes balance) lack of devs giving a shit otherwise it's the perfect game for me.
personally i believe the 7 heroes didn't ruin the game, it was already ruined from negligence on the devs side, so it doesn't really matter. it gives people who have been playing for 5+ years something to mess around with until GW2 and anet knows that. btw i believe the april fools for this game was better than ANY other game including WoW. oh i forgot to add one thing about GW i've never EVER been into lore, in any game. GW lore actually caught my eye and i catch myself ACTUALLY READING QUEST TEXT which would never happen in WoW where every quest is TL;DR GOTTA KILL 10 BOARS. plus blizz changes lore 24/7 on a whim based on what random shit they wanna throw in the game and all the fanbois gobble it up like cake, i think it's funny.

Apr 14, 2011, 10:39 AM // 10:39	#1
Demaware Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2011 Profession: N/W	Today, at 2011, GW>WoW or .. not? I played WoW for a couple of years already and left and returned to the game like 5 times. So i tried GW this week and im almost lvl 7 and i liked the concept of 8 abilities at 1 time thingy buuuut the game wasn't that great until now. Before you laugh saying this is only lvl 7, think about leveling up in WoW until lvl 15 or so (about the same time more or less)- in WoW its a lot more organized and fun. Moreover, people interaction is really missing in GW, while in WoW not every exploring area is a lonely instance. Now i saw in forums that most people say GW>WoW atleast in PVP and graphics. But these Threads were 4-5 years ago...can it be that after so long- WoW, and especially lately with cataclysm expansion, is a better game in every aspect from GW? For example- WoW graphics are actually better than GW right now, although it's cartoony.

Apr 14, 2011, 03:29 PM // 15:29	#16
Kojima Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Home Guild: En Caligne Veritas [DARK] Profession: R/Rt	I had a 85lvl char in WOW too. And GW and WOW are two very different games. The very reason why I like GW is the same reason why I dislike WOW. You cannot twist GW into WOW to make a comparison because GW will never be anything near what WOW is. GW is GW and that is that. I have played tons of MMOPRGs, American made, Korean made, Japanese made, Chinese made... you name it... and many are WOW clones. But GW is GW and that is that. Comparing GW to WOW is like comparing Doctor Who with BSG. The genre may be the same but the two are distinctively different. Another thing: Lvl 7? Seriously? You need to play a lot more then. Though the level cap is 20, some of the vets here may have over millions of exp points... maybe even tens of millions in exp points in just one of their characters. Last edited by Kojima; Apr 14, 2011 at 04:09 PM // 16:09..

Apr 14, 2011, 07:13 PM // 19:13	#20
ruk1a Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2008 Location: UR MOM LOL Guild: ATTACK OF THE KILLER TOMATOES Profession: A/	WoW pve > GW pve GW pvp > WoW pvp too many buttons in pvp in WoW, i find the need to buy a gaming mouse/keyboard silly because i have to bind over 20 keys. really, it's dumb. stuns & cc in pvp are retarded, kiting is way retarded casterwise (COUGH LOLFRSTMAEG) dumb mechanics where you need to be behind target for certain attacks and them only needing to backpedal their way to victory is absolutely terrible, i quit a whole class because of it. blizzard caring only about money and their devs being biased depending on what character they play is really silly, which both have been proven time and time again so no need to argue with me there. there are plenty more cons but those in my eyes are the worst, on the upside, the game has turned insanely casual compared to what it used to be. basically i only log on to raid 8 hours a week with my brother & the rest of the guild on my dk otherwise i'm playing diablo 2 because it's less dead than GW. cons about GW for me would only include lack of updates (this includes balance) lack of devs giving a shit otherwise it's the perfect game for me. personally i believe the 7 heroes didn't ruin the game, it was already ruined from negligence on the devs side, so it doesn't really matter. it gives people who have been playing for 5+ years something to mess around with until GW2 and anet knows that. btw i believe the april fools for this game was better than ANY other game including WoW. oh i forgot to add one thing about GW i've never EVER been into lore, in any game. GW lore actually caught my eye and i catch myself ACTUALLY READING QUEST TEXT which would never happen in WoW where every quest is TL;DR GOTTA KILL 10 BOARS. plus blizz changes lore 24/7 on a whim based on what random shit they wanna throw in the game and all the fanbois gobble it up like cake, i think it's funny. Last edited by ruk1a; Apr 14, 2011 at 07:23 PM // 19:23..

Apr 14, 2011, 10:55 AM // 10:55	#2
majoho Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Denmark	It's apples to oranges, the games are completely different you might as well have compared GW to Tetris. Also if you are playing the trial of GW you are only seeing a limited part of the game since GW is a grouped game you can't play solo, you have to play with either other players or henchmen/heroes. WoW has technically better graphics than GW at this point, WoW have updated the engine recently the GW engine hasn't been updated for 3 years or so.

Apr 14, 2011, 11:01 AM // 11:01	#3
Demaware Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2011 Profession: N/W	Sorry to disappoint you but im not playing in a trial. I have a real account... +Whats the problem in comparing between games? If you say you enjoy tetris more than GW it means you think tetris is better (hopefully not), isnt it? +Isn't playing with henchmen/heroes is the same as playing alone (atleast in the friendly part)?

Apr 14, 2011, 11:25 AM // 11:25	#4
Matirion Maeronta Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Noord-Scharwoude, NL Profession: E/	Comparing games with a completely different style of gameplay is rather hard if not impossible. The only way to compare it would be the common grounds, such as graphics/sound. That would mean everything that almost every game has (most games have graphics...) which is often influenced by opinions (ie. I myself prefer GW graphics over WoW due to the toony thing, you might disagree). As the gameplay doesn't have much ground to compare on, doing it objectively is impossible. Without an objective comparison, you will not be able to call either of them better. If you hate apples but like oranges, it doesn't mean oranges are better. The reason early parts of the game are rather empty is simple: people aim to reach lvl 20 as fast as possible to go to elite areas. This is easilly possible in an hour, if you know what you are doing. This easier to compare to getting lvl 15 in WoW, except not having any lvls after that. The people who rush to get lvl 20 often aren't interested in doing the story again for the 20th time. And while playing with heroes removes the social part the same way as playing solo does, the game changes alot if you do try it without them. That is probably what majoho meant. Although you can play solo (without hero/henchman or other players) if you are good enough, it's alot more of a challenge and impossible without experience.

Apr 14, 2011, 01:16 PM // 13:16	#7
general shaun Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2007 Profession: P/Mo	I don't think they are really comparable. Whilst you'll see people say one is better than the other, it is all just opinion Guild Wars is pay once, play for free. That means the content you buy is all you have (sure there are updates/campaigns etc.) WoW is a subscription based game, it is designed to keep you playing in order to make money. WoW draws you in and makes you want to carry on playing, because thats how it gains revenue. Its also a well established game, that has sold more copies, giving them a reason to keep people interested. With that in mind, blizzard will keep people wanting to play the game, because they can make a profit from it. Guild wars, doesn't need you to keep playing, it makes its money based on you purchasing campaigns. sure it makes some money off of micro-transactions. but once you've bought it, they don't need to keep you playing. Because of this, WoW appears to be the better game, it can continue to be supported and gain new content. Guild wars only has a few people working on it, because ANet are at work on Guild Wars 2, which they will make their money from in a similar way. WoW is an mmorpg, Guild Wars is more of a corpg, that makes them very different games. Trying to compare them is almost like comparing a single player rpg, with an mmo. They are designed in a different way, to achieve different goals.

Apr 14, 2011, 02:06 PM // 14:06	#10
SpyderArachnid Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: United States Guild: Lords Of Noh [LoN] Profession: Me/	You can't really compare the two. Yes they are both MMORPG's, but they are two completely different style games. I've played WoW to 85, farmed my heroics and knocked out a few raids. Played GW to 20 with a 37/50 HoM and several years learning the ins and outs. They are very VERY different games that can't be compared side by side in a "who is better" war. They are geared towards two different kinds of play styles.

Apr 14, 2011, 02:11 PM // 14:11	#11
The forth fly Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2008 Location: england Profession: Mo/	Newbie areas of WoW are just as dead as GW.Play Rift if you want a WoW clone not GW

Apr 14, 2011, 02:34 PM // 14:34	#12
FallenAngel_ Academy Page Join Date: May 2010 Location: Canada Profession: A/	IMO... WoW's endgame consists of repetitive raids and achievements. GW's is a wider range of dungeons, elite areas, vanquishes and titles. WoW's PvP requires specific equipment which creates a gap between pro/noob. GW's PvP titles create a gab between the two but gear is leveled. More relied on skill (or rank of titles) WoW's character variety is only a few roles per spec for meta. GW's character variety is a little more vast. WoW's areas tend to be 20min walking for a 5min quest. GW's areas tend to be 5min walking with about 5-10min quest.

Apr 14, 2011, 04:46 PM // 16:46	#17
Norian Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2010	I prefer GW over WoW because the core/foundation of GW is skill based instead of "roll your face over the keyboard and win" or "play with a straw from your mouth and win" type of game like WoW is now...

Apr 14, 2011, 06:04 PM // 18:04	#19
Introverted Dimensions Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: R/	I was going to make a topic somewhat similar to this but I guess I'll just post here. I can't for the life of me keep any interest in Guild Wars. I started again when the introduced the 7 hero party stuff and that lasted for two days before I never went back on. I've only really gotten two characters through all the expansions in GW. I can't be bothered to get anymore because it's so repetitive and mind numbingly dull that I simply don't care. I never bothered farming because it was boring and I had terrible luck. People have told me that it's probably because I was broke and couldn't get nice things. Thats where they were wrong. I did surprisingly well and I've NEVER farmed. I don't even farm for the travelers stuff because I can't be bothered. If people in ally chat are giving the mats away for it I'll sometimes take it. The story line, cutscenes, voice acting(especially) are like nails on a chalkboard for me. They're so poorly done that it's aggravating. I honestly hope it's better in GW2, which I don't know I should even bother buying as I regret buying anything past the original GW. As for WoW, they've definitely mastered the art of MMO's. It's a good game and will probably continue to flourish for alot longer. It's alot different now than what it used to be and that's good. I can sit here and make a 10 page list on why WoW is better but I'm not going to.