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allience · Dec 01, 2005, 01:16 PM // 13:16

sry for the newb question but can sum1 plz expalin to me what's the deal with the 20% rockmoulders?
i mean 20% rockmoulders stoped spawning or sometimes u find 10% sometimes 20%?

Takeko Nakano · Dec 01, 2005, 01:21 PM // 13:21

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Originally Posted by allience

sry for the newb question but can sum1 plz expalin to me what's the deal with the 20% rockmoulders?
i mean 20% rockmoulders stoped spawning or sometimes u find 10% sometimes 20%?

This should be in the Q&A section.

However, the answer is that ANet changed the item so that you only get a 10% bonus, as they decided 20% was too high. However that only affected new drops - ones obtained before the update stayed at 20%.

Jetdoc · Dec 01, 2005, 02:56 PM // 14:56

Yep. The problem with the old Rockmolder is the fact that it requires 9 Illusion Magic. If you don't have the requirement (i.e. because you are a Domination/Inspiration Mesmer - the most common types), then the energy bonus is a lousy 3 versus the max 12 you normally get. As such, the old Rockmolder is a great tool for illusion mesmers...otherwise, it's not too great.

crimsonfilms · Dec 01, 2005, 03:03 PM // 15:03

No. Rockmolder was nerfed because its was 20% on EVERY skill - not just one attribute skill set you get from other items.

Mahanaxar · Dec 01, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17

Is another brilliant move from Anet like Denravi swords.

You know, to balance things...

crimsonfilms · Dec 01, 2005, 03:22 PM // 15:22

If you are implying that it should not be nerfed - then I disagree. EVERY skill 20/20 bonus is too much. Even a staff does not have that kind of power.
Also, by not removing it to those who already have I think it add another dimension to the economy - you know nerfed things like Dwarven, Denravi Sword, etc, etc.

If you are implying they screwed up on design by putting it in the first place - you are correct of course. I guess they know that too since they did nerf it.

Garumn · Dec 01, 2005, 03:29 PM // 15:29

well basically buy those Rockmolders now, or they ll be like 400k in few months time

Mahanaxar · Dec 01, 2005, 03:34 PM // 15:34

Crimson obviously it should be nerfed.
Nerfed and *completely* removed from the game, as long with Denravi swords and +xx% unconditional weapons from months ago.

Ellix Cantero · Dec 01, 2005, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Mahanaxar

Crimson obviously it should be nerfed.
Nerfed and *completely* removed from the game, as long with Denravi swords and +xx% unconditional weapons from months ago.

You mean +xx% damage weapons? I found a +12% damage (unconditional) axe a few days ago . . .

striderkaaru · Dec 01, 2005, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Ellix Cantero

You mean +xx% damage weapons? I found a +12% damage (unconditional) axe a few days ago . . .

those weapons usually come with negative side effects, such as -5 energy, -10 armor, -1 hp/energy regen. the truly unconditional ones are very rare and are rumored to no longer drop.

crimsonfilms · Dec 01, 2005, 04:58 PM // 16:58

Nerfed? Yes!
Completely remove? I don't know. I kind of like having these things in the game - legendary "uber" weapons.

You know, 5 months from now "Yeah I heard Lulu the Monk was carrying Henge sword with a Rockmolder when they beat Uni in the semifinals."

12% unconditional I think still exists. 14/15% do not - 99% positive on that.
14/15% negative is either -10 armor, -5 energy or -1 health degen.

fiery · Dec 01, 2005, 05:09 PM // 17:09

20/20 to 20/10 not much but its gone. sold mine for 60 k. just a quick sell to make gold.

jesh · Dec 01, 2005, 07:56 PM // 19:56

I know someone in game who claims to have aquired a sword with +30% damage, constant.. I'll have to see it to believe it. ~.~
That's even better than those +14% ones, and I just don't see it happening, but he seemed elated when he finally got enough gold to buy it. I don't know. If he customized it, that would be a sword with +50%.. quite scary, neh?

Maxiemonster · Dec 01, 2005, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by jesh

I know someone in game who claims to have aquired a sword with +30% damage, constant.. I'll have to see it to believe it. ~.~
That's even better than those +14% ones, and I just don't see it happening, but he seemed elated when he finally got enough gold to buy it. I don't know. If he customized it, that would be a sword with +50%.. quite scary, neh?

That you even think the chance excist he has it. It's nonsence, he doesn't.

Amused Observer · Dec 01, 2005, 11:04 PM // 23:04

The idea behind using a 20/20 rockmolder is to increase the recharge time for spells. If I'm running an Elementalist relying on a spell like Meteor Shower, I can use the rockmolder to reduce the recharge time on it significantly. Not meeting the 9 Illusion magic requirement for the energy benefit wouldn't be an issue since you'll be putting some points in energy storage.

Evil Hypnotist · Dec 01, 2005, 11:56 PM // 23:56

I'm sure I saw somewhere on these forums that the 20% variety has been discontinued.....

dargon · Dec 02, 2005, 12:26 AM // 00:26

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Originally Posted by Maxiemonster

That you even think the chance excist he has it. It's nonsence, he doesn't.

Well he might, but I'd be inclinced to think that it's got +10% by default and then he's customized it.

RYCHER969 · Dec 03, 2005, 01:24 AM // 01:24

Amused,

Are you stating you get the 20% recharge even if you DONT have illusion at 9? Basically any charecter type can get the benefit? someone please clarify for me

unienaule · Dec 03, 2005, 01:32 AM // 01:32

Yes, you get the 20% recharge with any attribute setup.

Shimus DarkRaven · Dec 03, 2005, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Originally Posted by RYCHER969

Amused,

Are you stating you get the 20% recharge even if you DONT have illusion at 9? Basically any charecter type can get the benefit? someone please clarify for me

Recharge relies on "having" said skill line in your bar, so for anyone getting it, nope. As for below req, yes, you still get all the effects on the weapon, you just don't hit for max damage that you could have normally with 9 in it.

I dunno if that answered rightly unless a 20% recharge means on everything and doesn't specify "illusion magic" In which case, yes it does work.

--The Shim

Dec 01, 2005, 01:16 PM // 13:16	#1
allience Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2005 Profession: Mo/Me	what's up with the 20% rockmoulder? sry for the newb question but can sum1 plz expalin to me what's the deal with the 20% rockmoulders? i mean 20% rockmoulders stoped spawning or sometimes u find 10% sometimes 20%?

Dec 01, 2005, 02:56 PM // 14:56	#3
Jetdoc Hell's Protector Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: The Eyes of Texas [BEVO] Profession: D/A	Yep. The problem with the old Rockmolder is the fact that it requires 9 Illusion Magic. If you don't have the requirement (i.e. because you are a Domination/Inspiration Mesmer - the most common types), then the energy bonus is a lousy 3 versus the max 12 you normally get. As such, the old Rockmolder is a great tool for illusion mesmers...otherwise, it's not too great.

Dec 01, 2005, 03:03 PM // 15:03	#4
crimsonfilms Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005	No. Rockmolder was nerfed because its was 20% on EVERY skill - not just one attribute skill set you get from other items.

Dec 01, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17	#5
Mahanaxar Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Italy Guild: Lupus Et Agnus Profession: R/	Is another brilliant move from Anet like Denravi swords. You know, to balance things...

Dec 01, 2005, 03:22 PM // 15:22	#6
crimsonfilms Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005	If you are implying that it should not be nerfed - then I disagree. EVERY skill 20/20 bonus is too much. Even a staff does not have that kind of power. Also, by not removing it to those who already have I think it add another dimension to the economy - you know nerfed things like Dwarven, Denravi Sword, etc, etc. If you are implying they screwed up on design by putting it in the first place - you are correct of course. I guess they know that too since they did nerf it.

Dec 01, 2005, 03:29 PM // 15:29	#7
Garumn Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bern,Switzerland Guild: Centuria Europe Nova(CEN) Profession: R/	well basically buy those Rockmolders now, or they ll be like 400k in few months time

Dec 01, 2005, 03:34 PM // 15:34	#8
Mahanaxar Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Italy Guild: Lupus Et Agnus Profession: R/	Crimson obviously it should be nerfed. Nerfed and completely removed from the game, as long with Denravi swords and +xx% unconditional weapons from months ago.

Dec 01, 2005, 04:58 PM // 16:58	#11
crimsonfilms Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005	Nerfed? Yes! Completely remove? I don't know. I kind of like having these things in the game - legendary "uber" weapons. You know, 5 months from now "Yeah I heard Lulu the Monk was carrying Henge sword with a Rockmolder when they beat Uni in the semifinals." 12% unconditional I think still exists. 14/15% do not - 99% positive on that. 14/15% negative is either -10 armor, -5 energy or -1 health degen.

Dec 01, 2005, 05:09 PM // 17:09	#12
fiery Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: maryland Guild: InYurFace Gaming [IYF] Profession: R/	20/20 to 20/10 not much but its gone. sold mine for 60 k. just a quick sell to make gold.

Dec 01, 2005, 07:56 PM // 19:56	#13
jesh Forge Runner Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Guild: Penguin Village Profession: Mo/	I know someone in game who claims to have aquired a sword with +30% damage, constant.. I'll have to see it to believe it. ~.~ That's even better than those +14% ones, and I just don't see it happening, but he seemed elated when he finally got enough gold to buy it. I don't know. If he customized it, that would be a sword with +50%.. quite scary, neh?

Dec 01, 2005, 11:04 PM // 23:04	#15
Amused Observer Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005	The idea behind using a 20/20 rockmolder is to increase the recharge time for spells. If I'm running an Elementalist relying on a spell like Meteor Shower, I can use the rockmolder to reduce the recharge time on it significantly. Not meeting the 9 Illusion magic requirement for the energy benefit wouldn't be an issue since you'll be putting some points in energy storage.

Dec 01, 2005, 11:56 PM // 23:56	#16
Evil Hypnotist Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: I Dragon I [PAIN]	I'm sure I saw somewhere on these forums that the 20% variety has been discontinued.....

Dec 03, 2005, 01:24 AM // 01:24	#18
RYCHER969 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: Me/E	Amused, Are you stating you get the 20% recharge even if you DONT have illusion at 9? Basically any charecter type can get the benefit? someone please clarify for me

Dec 03, 2005, 01:32 AM // 01:32	#19
unienaule I dunt even get "Retired" Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	Yes, you get the 20% recharge with any attribute setup.