Vampiric or Sundering? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Shigernafy · Feb 27, 2007, 02:54 AM // 02:54

Ok, since this has been discussed to death, Im going to throw in some numbers here to help out, as far as I know these are still accurate and should help put things in perspective. These are the extra damage, in percent, you should see with the respective mods.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fender

Against an AL 60 target:
Perfect Vampiric:
Sword - 8.8%
Axe - 8.4%
Hammer - 9.7%
Bow - 12.4%
Perfect Sundering(20/20):
4.6% for all weapons.

Against an AL 70 target:
Perfect Vampiric:
Sword - 10.4%
Axe - 10.0%
Hammer - 11.6%
Bow - 14.7%
Perfect Sundering(20/20):
6.4% for all weapons.

Against an AL 100 target:
Perfect Vampiric:
Sword - 17.6%
Axe - 16.9%
Hammer - 19.4%
Bow - 24.8%
Perfect Sundering(20/20):
8.3% for all weapons.

So, sundering still sucks.

Domon Kasho · Feb 27, 2007, 03:00 AM // 03:00

i run vamp,elemental and sundering(just to call out my sundering weapon of fortitude in PUGS)
VAMP FTW

The Herbalizer · Feb 27, 2007, 03:08 AM // 03:08

i use elemental (ebony), vamp and zealous

sundering is awful

Tachyon · Feb 27, 2007, 03:09 AM // 03:09

Another vote here for Vampyric. Infact I'd go as far as to say that the only two prefixes worth having are Vampyric and Zealous.

bilateralrope · Feb 27, 2007, 03:11 AM // 03:11

1 - If your planning to sell a weapon, sell it as is. Sure the price will go up if you stick an expensive mod on it, but you will be lucky for the price to rise as much as the mod costs. Personally the only times I've bought a weapon that I didn't plan to mod was when I bought greens.

2 - I'm not so sure that the sundering being so expensive is due to stupidity. Remember that heroes don't switch weapons, meaning that if you want to give them vamp you have to open your inventory and swap their weapons manually each time. So for heroes I'll be avoiding vamp because on heroes the degen will be a hassle. So for the times when I'm having to chose between vamp and sundering, heroes get sundering, I get vamp.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azagoth

Another vote here for Vampyric. Infact I'd go as far as to say that the only two prefixes worth having are Vampyric and Zealous.

For enemies with high AL vs physical you can do more damage with an elemental mod than with a vamp (though I'm not sure where they break even). Also because an elemental weapon doesn't cause energy or health degen, it makes the perfect weapon to switch to when you aren't attacking something when you do run a zealous or vamp weapon. Furious might be useful with adrenaline builds.

BogusDude · Feb 27, 2007, 06:28 AM // 06:28

Personally i go with zealous for general use before either to keep up constant skill spamming. Vamps good to switch when i'm taking a boss on, IDS for some elementals/shivers use, sundering just sucks, think its priced due to increase from 10-20% but i rarely use mine, infact i use furious more than sundering.(PvE only player)

My warrior has a zealous +15^50 +5arm dead sword and my 55 monk has a furious +10%rech +20ench dead sword(non-max) which replaced his FFS and i've got another which i've yet to decide what to do with

Patrick Smit · Feb 27, 2007, 06:44 AM // 06:44

vampiric will be better in terms of DPS in PvE, however, sundering can be much better in melee/physical based PvP teams.
Saying sundering suxs is absolute scrap to my opinion, and you are just copying words of others, or relying on very simple calculus.

Check this discussion for more on why sundering can be better then vampiric in PvP: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10123000

holababe · Feb 27, 2007, 06:48 AM // 06:48

Vampiric > Sundering

Arduin · Feb 27, 2007, 08:06 AM // 08:06

Get the Vampiric, because of the better damage. And if you are frightened by the -1 Hp regeneration, take in mind it takes about 3 minutes to degen yourself to death (that's without a monk backing you up).

Undressed · Feb 27, 2007, 08:33 AM // 08:33

Sundering is better for spikes which you won't need in PvE as "dps" is more important there. Try a Vamp there or Furious.

In PvP, for spikes I would take sundering and enjoy the useful armour penetration and give monks a lesser chance to easily switch shields accordingly to the damage type they face. A vampiric weapon screams "slashing/blunt".

In PvP spikes kill, not dps.

You will need weapon switches, so bring (unless hammer) a zealous weapon and an elemental (for warriors).

regards

tomcruisejr · Feb 27, 2007, 08:37 AM // 08:37

the dps of vampiric is greater than that of sundering if and only if your target is stationary and unprotected (blocks, blinds, stances, melee hate etc etc)..

if your target is running/kiting and is assisted by melee hate characters, playing with chances and percentages is ftw.

strcpy · Feb 27, 2007, 08:42 AM // 08:42

If I want pure damage, I switch to a vampiric (or for certain enemies an elemental damage) weapon.

However, like has been kinda made fun of I really like the "button mashing" aspect of some builds and sundering is about the best of the physical mods.

Depends on how you play - I watch TV while I play and not having to switch all the time is nice - sundering is kinda the "crappy but fits all situations" mod. For harder areas or for farming I keep both a vampiric and zealous weapon around. Especially when hitting for AoE damage (Dervish, hundred blades, etc) it can really add up. the -1 hp regen is only hurtful if you do not swap weapons, otherwise the +5 armor ignoring is the best +damage mod of the whole game.

I wouldn't spend much on a sundering mod - not anywhere close to the price they go for. But if I had one I wouldn't hesitate to use it on a weapon.

Yanman.be · Feb 27, 2007, 08:51 AM // 08:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Sundering is crap. Whenever I try to explain this to somebody in game, they response is, "then why does sundering cost more then vampiric?" Answer: because sundering since it has some many possible versions (10-20%) a perfect one is rarer and thus more expensive. However, vampric is better damage wise and easier to find.

That's the only reason people think sundering is good. PvE scrubs think expensive = better.

No, sundering is expensive because many people want it and that's why the price goes up, and people thing you need sundering to be a PvE god!

bilateralrope · Feb 27, 2007, 09:05 AM // 09:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

the dps of vampiric is greater than that of sundering if and only if your target is stationary and unprotected (blocks, blinds, stances, melee hate etc etc)..

if your target is running/kiting and is assisted by melee hate characters, playing with chances and percentages is ftw.

Vamp - 100% of hits get the extra damage.
Sundering - 20% of hits get the extra damage.

If something is reducing your chance to hit, it will effect sundering and vamp equally. So the only thing to consider when the enemy is being protected is if the vamp will still outheal its degen, and if the degen is a problem if it won't. Vamp will still have greater DPS.

Undressed · Feb 27, 2007, 09:07 AM // 09:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

No, sundering is expensive because many people want it and that's why the price goes up, and people thing you need sundering to be a PvE god!

I am sure you used a sundering energy sword when I ran into your RA-Bonder with Healer's Boon.

Shadowfox1125 · Feb 27, 2007, 09:16 AM // 09:16

Vamp...

there's nothing else to be said. Read the above posts.

Tufty · Feb 27, 2007, 09:38 AM // 09:38

Swords? I use Furious over everything because I like spamming skills but I use an elemental for warriors and vamp when Im not doing enough damage over time and zealous when energy sucks.
The only thing I use sundering on is my ranger who uses a sundering hornbow of marksmanship. I only use that setup for the random large spike Iget from that setup. The rest of the time its vamp all the way

jrk247 · Feb 27, 2007, 09:49 AM // 09:49

I prefer elemental mods over vamp and sundering, they are unconditional and do more damage than sundering, look at it this way: Sundering is 20% AP against AL 80 +20 vs. physical and elemental ignores the whole +20 vs. physical, so elemental damage is always hitting at 80 AL (with a typical armor set on a warrior) and sundering only hit's at 80 AL 20% (1/5) of the time. So elemental is cheaper and better than sundering and unconditional compaired to vamp.

matti90 · Feb 27, 2007, 10:22 AM // 10:22

Rangers own elemental mods though

Etta · Feb 27, 2007, 12:22 PM // 12:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by matti90

Rangers own elemental mods though

So? Just switch to different weapon, you should have more than 1 set of weapon to use anyway.

Feb 27, 2007, 06:28 AM // 06:28	#26
BogusDude Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: MARA Profession: R/	Personally i go with zealous for general use before either to keep up constant skill spamming. Vamps good to switch when i'm taking a boss on, IDS for some elementals/shivers use, sundering just sucks, think its priced due to increase from 10-20% but i rarely use mine, infact i use furious more than sundering.(PvE only player) My warrior has a zealous +15^50 +5arm dead sword and my 55 monk has a furious +10%rech +20ench dead sword(non-max) which replaced his FFS and i've got another which i've yet to decide what to do with Last edited by BogusDude; Feb 27, 2007 at 06:35 AM // 06:35..

Feb 27, 2007, 08:37 AM // 08:37	#31
tomcruisejr Banned Join Date: Apr 2005	the dps of vampiric is greater than that of sundering if and only if your target is stationary and unprotected (blocks, blinds, stances, melee hate etc etc).. if your target is running/kiting and is assisted by melee hate characters, playing with chances and percentages is ftw. Last edited by tomcruisejr; Feb 27, 2007 at 08:42 AM // 08:42..

Feb 27, 2007, 03:00 AM // 03:00	#22
Domon Kasho Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Ebony Citedel Chest Guild: [TWS] The Warriors Stronghold Profession: E/	i run vamp,elemental and sundering(just to call out my sundering weapon of fortitude in PUGS) VAMP FTW

Feb 27, 2007, 03:08 AM // 03:08	#23
The Herbalizer <3 Ecto Join Date: Jul 2005	i use elemental (ebony), vamp and zealous sundering is awful

Feb 27, 2007, 03:09 AM // 03:09	#24
Tachyon Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stoke, England Guild: The Godless [GOD] Profession: W/	Another vote here for Vampyric. Infact I'd go as far as to say that the only two prefixes worth having are Vampyric and Zealous.

Feb 27, 2007, 06:44 AM // 06:44	#27
Patrick Smit Jungle Guide Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: NiTe	vampiric will be better in terms of DPS in PvE, however, sundering can be much better in melee/physical based PvP teams. Saying sundering suxs is absolute scrap to my opinion, and you are just copying words of others, or relying on very simple calculus. Check this discussion for more on why sundering can be better then vampiric in PvP: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10123000

Feb 27, 2007, 06:48 AM // 06:48	#28
holababe Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2006 Guild: Goon Squad [LLJK] Profession: Mo/	Vampiric > Sundering

Feb 27, 2007, 08:06 AM // 08:06	#29
Arduin Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: Limburgse Jagers [LJ] Profession: R/	Get the Vampiric, because of the better damage. And if you are frightened by the -1 Hp regeneration, take in mind it takes about 3 minutes to degen yourself to death (that's without a monk backing you up).

Feb 27, 2007, 08:33 AM // 08:33	#30
Undressed Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Reich Guild: none Profession: W/	Sundering is better for spikes which you won't need in PvE as "dps" is more important there. Try a Vamp there or Furious. In PvP, for spikes I would take sundering and enjoy the useful armour penetration and give monks a lesser chance to easily switch shields accordingly to the damage type they face. A vampiric weapon screams "slashing/blunt". In PvP spikes kill, not dps. You will need weapon switches, so bring (unless hammer) a zealous weapon and an elemental (for warriors). regards

Feb 27, 2007, 08:42 AM // 08:42	#32
strcpy Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: One of Many [ONE]	If I want pure damage, I switch to a vampiric (or for certain enemies an elemental damage) weapon. However, like has been kinda made fun of I really like the "button mashing" aspect of some builds and sundering is about the best of the physical mods. Depends on how you play - I watch TV while I play and not having to switch all the time is nice - sundering is kinda the "crappy but fits all situations" mod. For harder areas or for farming I keep both a vampiric and zealous weapon around. Especially when hitting for AoE damage (Dervish, hundred blades, etc) it can really add up. the -1 hp regen is only hurtful if you do not swap weapons, otherwise the +5 armor ignoring is the best +damage mod of the whole game. I wouldn't spend much on a sundering mod - not anywhere close to the price they go for. But if I had one I wouldn't hesitate to use it on a weapon.

Feb 27, 2007, 09:16 AM // 09:16	#36
Shadowfox1125 Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: PST Profession: W/	Vamp... there's nothing else to be said. Read the above posts.

Feb 27, 2007, 09:38 AM // 09:38	#37
Tufty Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK Guild: CUTE	Swords? I use Furious over everything because I like spamming skills but I use an elemental for warriors and vamp when Im not doing enough damage over time and zealous when energy sucks. The only thing I use sundering on is my ranger who uses a sundering hornbow of marksmanship. I only use that setup for the random large spike Iget from that setup. The rest of the time its vamp all the way

Feb 27, 2007, 09:49 AM // 09:49	#38
jrk247 Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Twenty Gold For Mountain Troll [Tusk]	I prefer elemental mods over vamp and sundering, they are unconditional and do more damage than sundering, look at it this way: Sundering is 20% AP against AL 80 +20 vs. physical and elemental ignores the whole +20 vs. physical, so elemental damage is always hitting at 80 AL (with a typical armor set on a warrior) and sundering only hit's at 80 AL 20% (1/5) of the time. So elemental is cheaper and better than sundering and unconditional compaired to vamp.

Feb 27, 2007, 10:22 AM // 10:22	#39
matti90 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ym Profession: Mo/	Rangers own elemental mods though