Dumb Question about Conjures - Guild Wars Forums

thunderai · Jun 11, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

Here is something that I've been bothered with for some time, although it isnt very imperative that it be 'fixed'.

if you have a firey bow string, why do you still need to conjure flame to have a fire weapon. Wouldn't the fire bow string take care of this for you?

Coridan · Jun 11, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

the conjure flame just makes it do MORE damage... you already achieve the fire damage type with just have the mod. Its like asking how come dismember causes deep wound when you are already hitting them. it just does it additionally...

Enko · Jun 11, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by thunderai

Here is something that I've been bothered with for some time, although it isnt very imperative that it be 'fixed'.

if you have a firey bow string, why do you still need to conjure flame to have a fire weapon. Wouldn't the fire bow string take care of this for you?

umm what?

fiery bow strings just makes your bow deal fiery type damage.

conjure flame gives you a damage bonus if your weapon is dealing fiery damage.

what exactly were you expecting since your initial post didn't make a whole lot of sense.

thunderai · Jun 11, 2007, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Enko

umm what?

fiery bow strings just makes your bow deal fiery type damage.

conjure flame gives you a damage bonus if your weapon is dealing fiery damage.

what exactly were you expecting since your initial post didn't make a whole lot of sense.

Then the description of conjure is broken, because it says:

For 60 seconds, if you're wielding a fire weapon, your attacks strike for an additional 7...19 fire damage.

This would make me think that I dont need a fiery bow string at all, but everyone i talk to says conjure flame does nothing if you dont have a fiery bow string.

so thats my confusion.

Onarik Amrak · Jun 11, 2007, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by thunderai

Then the description of conjure is broken, because it says:

For 60 seconds, if you're wielding a fire weapon, your attacks strike for an additional 7...19 fire damage.

This would make me think that I dont need a fiery bow string at all, but everyone i talk to says conjure flame does nothing if you dont have a fiery bow string.

so thats my confusion.

What ?

Etta · Jun 11, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28

ok,...let's talk this out. If you cast conjure flame on yourself and you aren't using fire damage bow, eg: no fire string on it, you will do no extra dmg at all. Switch to a fire dmg bow and bam! extra dmg. Same goes with conjure water, air.

Hence: "if you're wielding a fire weapon, your attacks strike for an additional 7...19 fire damage."

segnisletum · Jun 11, 2007, 04:05 PM // 16:05

You don't need confure flame to do fire damage, it just deals extra damage if you are.

Look next to the damage range of your bow, typically it would be piercing damage; however, if you have on a fiery string, it says fire damage. You deal fire damage whether or not conjure flame is up or not.

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This would make me think that I dont need a fiery bow string at all

Unless you are using the preperation kindle arrows you do. Its a simple if/then logic statement. Should you not meet the "if" part of the skill description, so you wont get "then" part of it.

Though I suppose you are mildly right, though not for the reasons you state, that the description isn't correct. You don't need to be wielding a fiery weapon, just dealing fire damage. But a fiery bow string is the simplest way to meet the requirements.

ss1986v2 · Jun 11, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by thunderai

Then the description of conjure is broken, because it says:

For 60 seconds, if you're wielding a fire weapon, your attacks strike for an additional 7...19 fire damage.

This would make me think that I dont need a fiery bow string at all, but everyone i talk to says conjure flame does nothing if you dont have a fiery bow string.

so thats my confusion.

what? english must not be your first language, because it says very clearly "if you're wielding a fire weapon". it says right in the description that you need a fire weapon. id dont even know what else to say. how is that at all confusing?

Kook~NBK~ · Jun 11, 2007, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by thunderai

if you have a firey bow string, why do you still need to conjure flame to have a fire weapon. Wouldn't the fire bow string take care of this for you?

You've got it backwards. You don't need [skill]Conjure Flame[/skill] to use a fiery weapon. You need a fiery weapon for making Conjure Flame work.

The different types of damage - fiery, icy, etc. - that come from the weapon will make that weapon more or less effective depending on what you're facing. (Fiery weapon against Ice Imps in the shiverpeaks = better results. Fiery weapon against Magma Hydras in the Ring of Fire = worse results. etc.)

Firebert010 · Jun 12, 2007, 01:32 AM // 01:32

Gaah this is irritating!

Firey bowstring makes your bow do fire damage, the same damage amount as any other bowstring (or with no special bowstring at all), just a different type of damage. This turns into a fire weapon, making it eligible and able to be used in conjunction with the spell "Conjure flame" to gain additional damage

Conjure Flame will make a bow that HAS a firey bowstring (or is a fire type weapon to begin with) do more damage, and that's ALL it does.

Bow = Piercing damage
Bow + Conjure flame = Piercing damage
Bow + Firey Bowstring = Fire Damage
Bow + Firey Bowstring + Conjure Flame = Fire damage + Extra from conjure flame

Xenex Xclame · Jun 12, 2007, 03:16 AM // 03:16

I seem to understand where you are mistaken, you seem to think that conjure flame will make your bow do fire damage, well it doesn't.

Conjure Flame will do the extra fire damage, if and only if the weapon is already causing fire damage.

So in order for Conjure Flame to trigger your weapon has to be dealing fire damage one way or another.

Conjure Flame doe s not change the damage type of your weapon, it only does extra damage if the condition is met.

JDRyder · Jun 12, 2007, 05:47 AM // 05:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderai

Then the description of conjure is broken, because it says:

For 60 seconds, if you're wielding a fire weapon, your attacks strike for an additional 7...19 fire damage.

This would make me think that I dont need a fiery bow string at all, but everyone i talk to says conjure flame does nothing if you dont have a fiery bow string.

so thats my confusion.

L2Read plz ............

RhanoctJocosa · Jun 12, 2007, 06:13 AM // 06:13

Haven't read all the replies but I think this is what you are after...

Firstly, some meanings of the word conjure as used in this context:
1. to affect or influence by or as if by invocation or spell.
2. to effect, produce, bring, etc., by or as by magic: to conjure a miracle.
3. to call upon or command (a devil or spirit) by invocation or spell.

So you're conjuring the magical power of fire to enchance (+ damage) your fiery weapon.

Baibai

Jun 11, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15	#1
thunderai Community Works Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Guild: Centre of the Aerodrome Profession: R/Mo	Dumb Question about Conjures Here is something that I've been bothered with for some time, although it isnt very imperative that it be 'fixed'. if you have a firey bow string, why do you still need to conjure flame to have a fire weapon. Wouldn't the fire bow string take care of this for you?

Jun 11, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28	#6
Etta Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mancland, British Empire	ok,...let's talk this out. If you cast conjure flame on yourself and you aren't using fire damage bow, eg: no fire string on it, you will do no extra dmg at all. Switch to a fire dmg bow and bam! extra dmg. Same goes with conjure water, air. Hence: "if you're wielding a fire weapon, your attacks strike for an additional 7...19 fire damage." Last edited by Etta; Jun 11, 2007 at 03:30 PM // 15:30..

Jun 11, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20	#2
Coridan Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: US Guild: Old Married Gamers {OMG} Profession: W/	the conjure flame just makes it do MORE damage... you already achieve the fire damage type with just have the mod. Its like asking how come dismember causes deep wound when you are already hitting them. it just does it additionally...

Jun 12, 2007, 01:32 AM // 01:32	#10
Firebert010 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2007 Location: At World's End... Profession: N/Mo	Gaah this is irritating! Firey bowstring makes your bow do fire damage, the same damage amount as any other bowstring (or with no special bowstring at all), just a different type of damage. This turns into a fire weapon, making it eligible and able to be used in conjunction with the spell "Conjure flame" to gain additional damage Conjure Flame will make a bow that HAS a firey bowstring (or is a fire type weapon to begin with) do more damage, and that's ALL it does. Bow = Piercing damage Bow + Conjure flame = Piercing damage Bow + Firey Bowstring = Fire Damage Bow + Firey Bowstring + Conjure Flame = Fire damage + Extra from conjure flame

Jun 12, 2007, 03:16 AM // 03:16	#11
Xenex Xclame Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: DPX Profession: R/	I seem to understand where you are mistaken, you seem to think that conjure flame will make your bow do fire damage, well it doesn't. Conjure Flame will do the extra fire damage, if and only if the weapon is already causing fire damage. So in order for Conjure Flame to trigger your weapon has to be dealing fire damage one way or another. Conjure Flame doe s not change the damage type of your weapon, it only does extra damage if the condition is met.

Jun 12, 2007, 06:13 AM // 06:13	#13
RhanoctJocosa Legendary Korean Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: The Benecia Renovatio [RenO] Profession: W/	Haven't read all the replies but I think this is what you are after... Firstly, some meanings of the word conjure as used in this context: 1. to affect or influence by or as if by invocation or spell. 2. to effect, produce, bring, etc., by or as by magic: to conjure a miracle. 3. to call upon or command (a devil or spirit) by invocation or spell. So you're conjuring the magical power of fire to enchance (+ damage) your fiery weapon. Baibai