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Stiltzkin · Jul 18, 2007, 06:38 PM // 18:38

Why don't people in large groups save the monks? I mean, I have a monk and when I play I never get helped, everyone just lets me die. Then they die simply because they have 1 less healer, or they let the other healer die as well and then they have no healer. When I play Rng or War i always attack whatever is attacking the monk to hopefully take hate. Most of the time it works, but some times it doesn't.

-.- · Jul 18, 2007, 06:52 PM // 18:52

Is this in PvP or PvE?

baz777 · Jul 18, 2007, 06:54 PM // 18:54

I played monk for a year or more before moving on to my Ele. I always try and defend the back line as well if I can, (PVE and PVP).

In RA/TA i'll blind the melee players first before attacking the softer targets to take pressure of the monk.

I think you have to have played a monk to appreciate this though.

HawkofStorms · Jul 18, 2007, 06:56 PM // 18:56

Other then attacking the targets to try to get aggro off you (which won't work in PvP obviously), there isn't a lot another warrior (for example) can do to save you.

thegrimjester90 · Jul 18, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

If it's any consolation I always try to save any monks in my party.

Water Angel · Jul 18, 2007, 06:59 PM // 18:59

and monsters target the foe with the less hp by default...at last think so lol/

so if the monk is packed with sup runes etc his fault if he get target...

havok019 · Jul 18, 2007, 07:02 PM // 19:02

If you are starting to run low on energy "ping" (I think it's shift+leftclick on energy bar) how much energy you have left to the group. Most assume the monk can heal himself and should be running away from attackers, so they (the frontline--warriors, dervs, sins) are probably busy trying to keep too many things from getting to the backline to notice until it's too late.

Pinging your energy to the group will let them know you are running into trouble and to pay attention to you when your health starts to go down.

Also, if you do die, ping to the group that you are dead. Frontline players are not as observant at watching party health bars. Hopefully this will cue someone to rez you asap. Nobody wants a dead monk.

Healers Wisper · Jul 18, 2007, 07:40 PM // 19:40

I have noticed this too. Generally as a Monk you have to learn to Run! A good Ele should be the one watching the backline IMO. Firestorm works great to releave a monk from being attacked. When I play a ele I wait for somethig to break throught and then cast firestorm so they run away, when I play a monk, when the ele cast firstorm I stand in the middle of it. Prob the only good thing about the AoE Nerf.

Other then that just reember in PvE alot og PuG Warrior don't watch the back line, some do but far from all do. Just learn a couple quick tricks to help out.

populationcontrol · Jul 18, 2007, 10:45 PM // 22:45

I think more often than not it monks that choose not to heal players. other characters have little skills that help monk directly when hes beeing attacked. i take wind born speed in pvp sometimes so he can outrun things that need to be close to do damage, but even then i still think my help is limited.

bart · Jul 19, 2007, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Stiltzkin

Why don't people in large groups save the monks? I mean, I have a monk and when I play I never get helped, everyone just lets me die. Then they die simply because they have 1 less healer, or they let the other healer die as well and then they have no healer. When I play Rng or War i always attack whatever is attacking the monk to hopefully take hate. Most of the time it works, but some times it doesn't.

There is no aggro/hate list in GW mate. Plus i think if you're playing a Rng or War u should be attacking what the group leader targets in order to reduce the number of enemies as fast as possible.

Metal Herc · Jul 19, 2007, 03:16 AM // 03:16

Ya as a warrior I am busy smashing up monks-mes-ele-necro etc. Then I'll hit those warriors. The faster we take down those casters the faster we will down all the monsters. Focus firing is better than randomly running back and uselessly wacking on some mob.

NeonXero · Jul 19, 2007, 05:12 AM // 05:12

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Originally Posted by havok019

If you are starting to run low on energy "ping" (I think it's shift+leftclick on energy bar) how much energy you have left to the group.

Its Ctrl + Left click, and yes that is a good idea to show your team that you are "unable" to do much at that time

Wrath of m0o · Jul 19, 2007, 05:32 AM // 05:32

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Originally Posted by bart

There is no aggro/hate list in GW mate. Plus i think if you're playing a Rng or War u should be attacking what the group leader targets in order to reduce the number of enemies as fast as possible.

I have to disagree with you here.

I play alot of pve and my MM almost always gets 100% of the agro. That or a monk, i have gotten used to kiting my MM away with a flag to break agro on the MM and let him back into battle after the minnions have taken agro.

As for OP
Many players are too busy button mashing to even look at their monk, wich is the most important player in the group, I always stop attacking and defend my monk or minnion master as soon as he comes under pressure.

ShadowsRequiem · Jul 19, 2007, 05:38 AM // 05:38

if you want to help bring a snare on your warrior in order to keep enemies off your monk, or have someone in your group bring one.

or hope that ppl learn how to kite -.-

Coloneh · Jul 19, 2007, 05:46 AM // 05:46

monks should be able to take a few hits, not like the dont have a self heal, and they should know how to kite. its good to try to save your monk a little, but you should be focusingo n the other team's monk, thats what theyer doing.

bart · Jul 19, 2007, 07:52 AM // 07:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

I have to disagree with you here.

I play alot of pve and my MM almost always gets 100% of the agro. That or a monk, i have gotten used to kiting my MM away with a flag to break agro on the MM and let him back into battle after the minnions have taken agro.

As for OP
Many players are too busy button mashing to even look at their monk, wich is the most important player in the group, I always stop attacking and defend my monk or minnion master as soon as he comes under pressure.

Thats probably cos u have the lowest health in the group. Try adding more health insignias or something to increase ur health. I know it worked for me cos i increased the health of my SS necro and now the monk is the one who always have to run around as the mobs come after him.

Rothen Kithkanan · Jul 19, 2007, 07:53 AM // 07:53

i think it can be explained fairly easily. The majority of your party will be concentrating on whatever they're attacking and wont bother to check on how the monk is doing.... after all, it's only the monk that spends their whole time looking at red bars all the time. yes monks should / could learn how to kite but a little monk love / awareness froom the rest of the party wouldn't hurt either.

Toutatis · Jul 19, 2007, 09:33 AM // 09:33

Monks should be a bit selfish. If it comes down to the choice of saving yourself or saving the tank, save yourself. Always.

Monks also need to learn to kite and communicate. If a certain monster is beating you up, it's very important to tell the team that you need that monster eliminated immediately, because odds are they won't notice on their own. The party's midline should also learn to respond to you when you do that.

Utaku · Jul 19, 2007, 09:52 AM // 09:52

Max out your health using minor runes only and survivor's insignae.
Then learn to position yourself and to kyte (run from melee ennemies).
Then you will get almost zero damage in pve.

Ministry Of Peace · Jul 19, 2007, 10:03 AM // 10:03

I play monk about 90% of the time in pve and pvp, and it's not that difficult for a monk to stay alive if you know what you're doing. It just so happens that almost all monks (and groups, for that matter) are made up of noobs that have little or no concept of teamwork. Since it's pretty much assumed that a pug will have no cohesiveness, I have always assumed this and brought a build that would keep me alive, but also allow me to function the general role I am assigned by the team (ie healer, prot, or in those rare really organized groups, a bonder.. *gasp!*). For a monk, it's really not difficult to take say contemplation of purity... It works as a huge self heal, condition, and hex remover, all in one neat little package.

I think a better question would be "why aren't the warriors taking aggro like they should be?"

Jul 18, 2007, 06:38 PM // 18:38	#1
Stiltzkin Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Aetna Guild: Dark Siderz Profession: Mo/Me	Ultimate Question Why don't people in large groups save the monks? I mean, I have a monk and when I play I never get helped, everyone just lets me die. Then they die simply because they have 1 less healer, or they let the other healer die as well and then they have no healer. When I play Rng or War i always attack whatever is attacking the monk to hopefully take hate. Most of the time it works, but some times it doesn't.

Jul 18, 2007, 06:52 PM // 18:52	#2
-.- Banned Join Date: Oct 2006	Is this in PvP or PvE?

Jul 18, 2007, 06:54 PM // 18:54	#3
baz777 Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: South East England Guild: Leader: Lady Hairy Armpits S[mell] Profession: E/	I played monk for a year or more before moving on to my Ele. I always try and defend the back line as well if I can, (PVE and PVP). In RA/TA i'll blind the melee players first before attacking the softer targets to take pressure of the monk. I think you have to have played a monk to appreciate this though.

Jul 18, 2007, 06:56 PM // 18:56	#4
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	Other then attacking the targets to try to get aggro off you (which won't work in PvP obviously), there isn't a lot another warrior (for example) can do to save you.

Jul 18, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58	#5
thegrimjester90 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2007	If it's any consolation I always try to save any monks in my party.

Jul 18, 2007, 06:59 PM // 18:59	#6
Water Angel Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Paris Profession: Me/E	and monsters target the foe with the less hp by default...at last think so lol/ so if the monk is packed with sup runes etc his fault if he get target...

Jul 18, 2007, 07:02 PM // 19:02	#7
havok019 Academy Page Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: HdCr Profession: W/Mo	If you are starting to run low on energy "ping" (I think it's shift+leftclick on energy bar) how much energy you have left to the group. Most assume the monk can heal himself and should be running away from attackers, so they (the frontline--warriors, dervs, sins) are probably busy trying to keep too many things from getting to the backline to notice until it's too late. Pinging your energy to the group will let them know you are running into trouble and to pay attention to you when your health starts to go down. Also, if you do die, ping to the group that you are dead. Frontline players are not as observant at watching party health bars. Hopefully this will cue someone to rez you asap. Nobody wants a dead monk.

Jul 18, 2007, 07:40 PM // 19:40	#8
Healers Wisper Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Anaheim, CA Guild: BoMB Profession: N/	I have noticed this too. Generally as a Monk you have to learn to Run! A good Ele should be the one watching the backline IMO. Firestorm works great to releave a monk from being attacked. When I play a ele I wait for somethig to break throught and then cast firestorm so they run away, when I play a monk, when the ele cast firstorm I stand in the middle of it. Prob the only good thing about the AoE Nerf. Other then that just reember in PvE alot og PuG Warrior don't watch the back line, some do but far from all do. Just learn a couple quick tricks to help out.

Jul 18, 2007, 10:45 PM // 22:45	#9
populationcontrol Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2007 Guild: USSR Profession: D/	I think more often than not it monks that choose not to heal players. other characters have little skills that help monk directly when hes beeing attacked. i take wind born speed in pvp sometimes so he can outrun things that need to be close to do damage, but even then i still think my help is limited.

Jul 19, 2007, 03:16 AM // 03:16	#11
Metal Herc Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2007	Ya as a warrior I am busy smashing up monks-mes-ele-necro etc. Then I'll hit those warriors. The faster we take down those casters the faster we will down all the monsters. Focus firing is better than randomly running back and uselessly wacking on some mob.

Jul 19, 2007, 05:38 AM // 05:38	#14
ShadowsRequiem Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Inde is Smoking [Hawt] ToA Profession: W/E	if you want to help bring a snare on your warrior in order to keep enemies off your monk, or have someone in your group bring one. or hope that ppl learn how to kite -.-

Jul 19, 2007, 05:46 AM // 05:46	#15
Coloneh Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Profession: D/W	monks should be able to take a few hits, not like the dont have a self heal, and they should know how to kite. its good to try to save your monk a little, but you should be focusingo n the other team's monk, thats what theyer doing.

Jul 19, 2007, 07:53 AM // 07:53	#17
Rothen Kithkanan Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Between a rock and a hard place Guild: Pah, who needs guilds? Profession: E/	i think it can be explained fairly easily. The majority of your party will be concentrating on whatever they're attacking and wont bother to check on how the monk is doing.... after all, it's only the monk that spends their whole time looking at red bars all the time. yes monks should / could learn how to kite but a little monk love / awareness froom the rest of the party wouldn't hurt either.

Jul 19, 2007, 09:33 AM // 09:33	#18
Toutatis Walking Wiki Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Isle of Medication Guild: Visitors from Aranna [VFA] Profession: Me/E	Monks should be a bit selfish. If it comes down to the choice of saving yourself or saving the tank, save yourself. Always. Monks also need to learn to kite and communicate. If a certain monster is beating you up, it's very important to tell the team that you need that monster eliminated immediately, because odds are they won't notice on their own. The party's midline should also learn to respond to you when you do that.

Jul 19, 2007, 09:52 AM // 09:52	#19
Utaku Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Paris, France Guild: We eat pancakes [Yumy] Profession: Me/	Max out your health using minor runes only and survivor's insignae. Then learn to position yourself and to kyte (run from melee ennemies). Then you will get almost zero damage in pve.

Jul 19, 2007, 10:03 AM // 10:03	#20
Ministry Of Peace Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: req 12 land Guild: guildless for the time being Profession: P/	I play monk about 90% of the time in pve and pvp, and it's not that difficult for a monk to stay alive if you know what you're doing. It just so happens that almost all monks (and groups, for that matter) are made up of noobs that have little or no concept of teamwork. Since it's pretty much assumed that a pug will have no cohesiveness, I have always assumed this and brought a build that would keep me alive, but also allow me to function the general role I am assigned by the team (ie healer, prot, or in those rare really organized groups, a bonder.. gasp!). For a monk, it's really not difficult to take say contemplation of purity... It works as a huge self heal, condition, and hex remover, all in one neat little package. I think a better question would be "why aren't the warriors taking aggro like they should be?"