Why -way? - Guild Wars Forums

segnisletum · Mar 19, 2008, 03:39 AM // 03:39

This has bugged me since I started playing. Why do people put -way at the end of all the trendy team builds? Does it all have to do with the old "I Will Avenge You!" builds?

Kumu Honua · Mar 19, 2008, 03:41 AM // 03:41

It's the "way" that team works...

Grasping Darkness · Mar 19, 2008, 04:01 AM // 04:01

It's because most of the GW community are cliche, cookie cutting, mindless sheep.

Dem Babyz Iz Mine · Mar 19, 2008, 04:03 AM // 04:03

tbh, I don't get half the names people give their builds. I just call my favorite ones "ITMarkIV" after a while.

Gift3d · Mar 19, 2008, 04:09 AM // 04:09

The earlist "-way"s i remember were IWAY and VIMway... but i'm going to say it probably came from IWAY.

Snograt · Mar 19, 2008, 05:22 AM // 05:22

Of course. IWAY was so big for so long, every FOTM build since has had the -WAY appended. It's similar to the way anyone who's addicted to something is a "somethingoholic". Evolution of the English language, innit?

strcpy · Mar 19, 2008, 06:45 AM // 06:45

"I Will Avenge You" - pretty much the first real highly abused cookie cutter build out there. Note that the skill is "IWAY" - usually pronounced as "EYE-WAY".

I never played it so I will most likely have something wrong here, but it was basically group of warrior/rangers with pets that sent the pets in. If you didn't kill the pets they had a high enough damage (along with the group of warriors) that you died. Assuming you bothered to kill the pets then the warrior activated [skill]"I Will Avenge You!"[/skill] and at the time a pet counted towards an ally. Thus the warriors got a very long term IAS and lots of health regen to beat up on you very nicely. There were a few other required slots that I do not recall offhand (seems a necro was needed in there for something but it may be another class).

So in effect you ended up fighting a huge number of damage dealers and died or you ended up fighting invincible warriors and died. Like everything there were counters, yet they were IWAY specific and generally gimped you against other builds. Since the build was easy to run there were MANY terrible players that copied the build to gain fame and other PvP rewards. There were a few later "nerfs" that made the build work not so well and, like other PvP builds, required actual teamwork to be effective and it fell into disuse.

However since it was the very first real *highly* abused team build in GW (there were other abused cookie cutter builds - but it even got so bad that even PvE only people at the time knew of it - of which I am mostly in that class) and it had a catchy name it was used from then on to denote other cookie cutter little skill builds. You can easily ad "way" to then end of any build name if you want.

Coloneh · Mar 19, 2008, 07:27 AM // 07:27

It comes from the old IWAY teams

Axis · Mar 19, 2008, 07:54 AM // 07:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by strcpy

"I Will Avenge You" - pretty much the first real highly abused cookie cutter build out there. Note that the skill is "IWAY" - usually pronounced as "EYE-WAY".

I never played it so I will most likely have something wrong here, but it was basically group of warrior/rangers with pets that sent the pets in. If you didn't kill the pets they had a high enough damage (along with the group of warriors) that you died. Assuming you bothered to kill the pets then the warrior activated [skill]"I Will Avenge You!"[/skill] and at the time a pet counted towards an ally. Thus the warriors got a very long term IAS and lots of health regen to beat up on you very nicely. There were a few other required slots that I do not recall offhand (seems a necro was needed in there for something but it may be another class).

So in effect you ended up fighting a huge number of damage dealers and died or you ended up fighting invincible warriors and died. Like everything there were counters, yet they were IWAY specific and generally gimped you against other builds. Since the build was easy to run there were MANY terrible players that copied the build to gain fame and other PvP rewards. There were a few later "nerfs" that made the build work not so well and, like other PvP builds, required actual teamwork to be effective and it fell into disuse.

However since it was the very first real *highly* abused team build in GW (there were other abused cookie cutter builds - but it even got so bad that even PvE only people at the time knew of it - of which I am mostly in that class) and it had a catchy name it was used from then on to denote other cookie cutter little skill builds. You can easily ad "way" to then end of any build name if you want.

IWAY used a Order Necro (death) who was spaming orders to heal the party and buff the dmg of all melee classes. The usual group consisted of 5-6 warriors, 1-2 rangers and 1 necro. The key was to kill the necro as fast as possible but it coud be difficult becouse he was usually camping far away from the fight and just spaming orders.

strcpy · Mar 19, 2008, 08:22 AM // 08:22

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Originally Posted by Axis

IWAY used a Order Necro (death) who was spaming orders to heal the party and buff the dmg of all melee classes. The usual group consisted of 5-6 warriors, 1-2 rangers and 1 necro. The key was to kill the necro as fast as possible but it coud be difficult becouse he was usually camping far away from the fight and just spaming orders.

Thanks - like I said I never played the build (or against it either - mainly a PvE player) but I recalled one other class was a key part. An orders necro makes sense in this build and was what I thought was used but wasn't sure enough to post it. Too long ago and not that much personal interest on my part at the time to know much more than what was posted on forums.

quickmonty · Mar 19, 2008, 12:32 PM // 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snograt

Of course. IWAY was so big for so long, every FOTM build since has had the -WAY appended. It's similar to the way anyone who's addicted to something is a "somethingoholic". Evolution of the English language, innit?

Like every US political scandal is a "........gate", since the infamous Watergate scandal.

segnisletum · Mar 19, 2008, 12:47 PM // 12:47

Ok, so it is just an homage to the old IWAY build. Thats what I figured.

Yeah, the -gate thing annoys me, too. But this most recent ho-gate almost redeemed it.

Smile Like Umean It · Mar 19, 2008, 01:55 PM // 13:55

I always found it funny how people would talk crap about IWAY and then go make build names after it.

Fried Tech · Mar 19, 2008, 02:34 PM // 14:34

because thats the "way" that everyone starts to play. NoobWay FTW!!

Miss Puddles · Mar 19, 2008, 09:12 PM // 21:12

makes no sense to me either. adding "-way" to every build name makes just about as much sense as saying "ATM machine" or "PIN number".

Wirt · Mar 19, 2008, 09:33 PM // 21:33

Yea the suffix -way came from IWAY builds. Just the same way any political controversy has -gate attached to the end, derived from Watergate with Nixon.

Snograt · Mar 19, 2008, 10:59 PM // 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by quickmonty

Like every US political scandal is a "........gate", since the infamous Watergate scandal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wirt

Yea the suffix -way came from IWAY builds. Just the same way any political controversy has -gate attached to the end, derived from Watergate with Nixon.

Snap!

We have that in England too - ever heard of Camillagate?

Eldin · Mar 19, 2008, 11:03 PM // 23:03

I think it began with IWAY.

Ah...IWAY. Back when HoH = favor and Europe whooped our butts when it was nerfed.

RPGmaniac · Mar 19, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23

And Korea whipped our butts before it was nerfed

Numa Pompilius · Mar 20, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01

And now, the end is here
And so I face the final curtain
My friend, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain
I've lived a life that's full
I traveled each and ev'ry highway
And more, much more than this, I did it with IWAY!

The first most famous cookie-cutter build was based on the skill I Will Avenge You! and became known as IWAY. After that people started adding -way to gimmicky builds. Spiritway FTL!

Mar 19, 2008, 03:39 AM // 03:39	#1
segnisletum Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2007 Profession: N/	Why -way? This has bugged me since I started playing. Why do people put -way at the end of all the trendy team builds? Does it all have to do with the old "I Will Avenge You!" builds?

Mar 19, 2008, 04:01 AM // 04:01	#3
Grasping Darkness Banned Join Date: Nov 2005	It's because most of the GW community are cliche, cookie cutting, mindless sheep. Last edited by Grasping Darkness; Mar 19, 2008 at 04:06 AM // 04:06..

Mar 19, 2008, 05:22 AM // 05:22	#6
Snograt rattus rattus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST Guild: [GURU]GW [wiki]GW2 Profession: R/	Of course. IWAY was so big for so long, every FOTM build since has had the -WAY appended. It's similar to the way anyone who's addicted to something is a "somethingoholic". Evolution of the English language, innit? __________________ Si non confectus, non reficiat

Mar 19, 2008, 03:41 AM // 03:41	#2
Kumu Honua Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2008	It's the "way" that team works...

Mar 19, 2008, 04:03 AM // 04:03	#4
Dem Babyz Iz Mine Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ninth ring of the Abyss Guild: Underpaid Heroes [Hero] Profession: D/A	tbh, I don't get half the names people give their builds. I just call my favorite ones "ITMarkIV" after a while.

Mar 19, 2008, 04:09 AM // 04:09	#5
Gift3d Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Guild: Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR] Profession: W/E	The earlist "-way"s i remember were IWAY and VIMway... but i'm going to say it probably came from IWAY.

Mar 19, 2008, 06:45 AM // 06:45	#7
strcpy Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: One of Many [ONE]	"I Will Avenge You" - pretty much the first real highly abused cookie cutter build out there. Note that the skill is "IWAY" - usually pronounced as "EYE-WAY". I never played it so I will most likely have something wrong here, but it was basically group of warrior/rangers with pets that sent the pets in. If you didn't kill the pets they had a high enough damage (along with the group of warriors) that you died. Assuming you bothered to kill the pets then the warrior activated [skill]"I Will Avenge You!"[/skill] and at the time a pet counted towards an ally. Thus the warriors got a very long term IAS and lots of health regen to beat up on you very nicely. There were a few other required slots that I do not recall offhand (seems a necro was needed in there for something but it may be another class). So in effect you ended up fighting a huge number of damage dealers and died or you ended up fighting invincible warriors and died. Like everything there were counters, yet they were IWAY specific and generally gimped you against other builds. Since the build was easy to run there were MANY terrible players that copied the build to gain fame and other PvP rewards. There were a few later "nerfs" that made the build work not so well and, like other PvP builds, required actual teamwork to be effective and it fell into disuse. However since it was the very first real highly abused team build in GW (there were other abused cookie cutter builds - but it even got so bad that even PvE only people at the time knew of it - of which I am mostly in that class) and it had a catchy name it was used from then on to denote other cookie cutter little skill builds. You can easily ad "way" to then end of any build name if you want.

Mar 19, 2008, 07:27 AM // 07:27	#8
Coloneh Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Profession: D/W	It comes from the old IWAY teams

Mar 19, 2008, 12:47 PM // 12:47	#12
segnisletum Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2007 Profession: N/	Ok, so it is just an homage to the old IWAY build. Thats what I figured. Yeah, the -gate thing annoys me, too. But this most recent ho-gate almost redeemed it.

Mar 19, 2008, 01:55 PM // 13:55	#13
Smile Like Umean It Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: E/Rt	I always found it funny how people would talk crap about IWAY and then go make build names after it.

Mar 19, 2008, 02:34 PM // 14:34	#14
Fried Tech Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2007 Guild: [Yeti] Profession: E/	because thats the "way" that everyone starts to play. NoobWay FTW!!

Mar 19, 2008, 09:12 PM // 21:12	#15
Miss Puddles Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California Guild: Shiverpeaks Search And Rescue [Lost] Profession: Me/	makes no sense to me either. adding "-way" to every build name makes just about as much sense as saying "ATM machine" or "PIN number".

Mar 19, 2008, 09:33 PM // 21:33	#16
Wirt Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: Conscripts of Ascalon Profession: W/	Yea the suffix -way came from IWAY builds. Just the same way any political controversy has -gate attached to the end, derived from Watergate with Nixon.

Mar 19, 2008, 11:03 PM // 23:03	#18
Eldin Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: America. How about you, commie? Guild: Fellows of Mythgar [FOM] Profession: R/Mo	I think it began with IWAY. Ah...IWAY. Back when HoH = favor and Europe whooped our butts when it was nerfed.

Mar 19, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23	#19
RPGmaniac Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005	And Korea whipped our butts before it was nerfed

Mar 20, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01	#20
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	And now, the end is here And so I face the final curtain My friend, I'll say it clear I'll state my case, of which I'm certain I've lived a life that's full I traveled each and ev'ry highway And more, much more than this, I did it with IWAY! The first most famous cookie-cutter build was based on the skill I Will Avenge You! and became known as IWAY. After that people started adding -way to gimmicky builds. Spiritway FTL!