Elite Areas..... - Guild Wars Forums

Stuart444 · Jun 22, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54

Is it possible to do ANY of the elite areas with just two players and heroes.

Like, for instance, a Warrior (player) with Sabway and an Searing Flames Elementilist with Sabway? (perhaps changing one MM to a SS OR SV necro)

No consets or Ursan as well, since then at least it would be MUCH more of a challenge.

Also has anyone done any of the elite areas themselves with just two players and heroes (or even 3 players and heroes) and if so any pictures?

If so I certainly wouldn't mind trying it, I don't mind grinding titles but grinding just to play in a group in an elite area.....well then its just not fun, plus people tend to blame each other (or blame the monk) if they fail regardless of who runs and aggros who.

Thanks for any answers in advance ^^ (I hope you understood that ramble, I tend to suck at wording things >_> as I tell anyone before I start to explain something)

ogre_jd · Jun 22, 2008, 05:27 PM // 17:27

Well, I managed to Clear the Chamber on my first ever trip to The Underworld with just my Warrior and an incomplete Sabway setup (didn't have Weapon of Remedy for the N/Rt healer, they only had basic 20% HSR staves, and weren't fully runed up) with no real problems. Dunno how much futher I could've gotten if I hadn't been fatally distracted by a spilled coffee mug. I'd assume two players, 6 decent Heroes, and no distractions should be able to get further.

Stuart444 · Jun 22, 2008, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd

Well, I managed to Clear the Chamber on my first ever trip to The Underworld with just my Warrior and an incomplete Sabway setup (didn't have Weapon of Remedy for the N/Rt healer, they only had basic 20% HSR staves, and weren't fully runed up) with no real problems. Dunno how much futher I could've gotten if I hadn't been fatally distracted by a spilled coffee mug. I'd assume two players, 6 decent Heroes, and no distractions should be able to get further.

well it would be nice to get through all of it, only time I tried UW (back when I was a new and didn't know much about the UW), it was 2 people, 6 rather bad heroes, and I found out that the blade Aaxets (sp?) were NO pushover >_> and they are only at the beginning.

if we got to the chaos planes, that would also worry me due to the amount of mindblades you get for killing ONE banished dream rider.

Later on when I was slightly better, it was again, 2 players, 6 heroes, we went to FoW (both of these were without sabway btw), did the first quest with a tower (black tower or something i don't know), did that then we continued (not knowing where we were going) and BAM....got beat by a giant level 30 (I think) dragon ;-;

never done DoA or the faction elite areas but if we can't do FoW/UW/faction elite areas, there is no way we can do DoA (playing with my girlfriend so its the same person for each of these areas)

zelgadissan · Jun 22, 2008, 06:11 PM // 18:11

Honest question: does FoW even count as elite anymore? It shouldn't.

However if it does, then a guildie and I did this relatively recently, us being a dervish and mesmer respectively. Haven't done UW with just us but we had no problems as a 4 man/4 hero group, I doubt it'd be an extreme amount harder.

Edit: neither of us are Ursan. Ursan can go to hell.

Neo Nugget · Jun 22, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by zelgadissan

Honest question: does FoW even count as elite anymore? It shouldn't.

However if it does, then a guildie and I did this relatively recently, us being a dervish and mesmer respectively. Haven't done UW with just us but we had no problems as a 4 man/4 hero group, I doubt it'd be an extreme amount harder.

Edit: neither of us are Ursan. Ursan can go to hell.

You get a monument for fow, so i figure it still counts as elite.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 22, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by zelgadissan

Honest question: does FoW even count as elite anymore? It shouldn't.

Better question: Does Slavers' Exile and Tombs of the Primeval Kings still count as "elite" areas. They don't give statues like the others. Not even beating EN gives a statue.

All Elite areas can be done with players and heroes (as far as I know). Deep and Urgoz would need 3 people and 9 heroes though. And not too sure about Slavers', but I think so. I've cleared FoW, UW, and DoA with one other person and 6 heroes before, and not using sabway =o, so it is possible.

Stuart444 · Jun 22, 2008, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

Better question: Does Slavers' Exile and Tombs of the Primeval Kings still count as "elite" areas. They don't give statues like the others. Not even beating EN gives a statue.

All Elite areas can be done with players and heroes (as far as I know). Deep and Urgoz would need 3 people and 9 heroes though. And not too sure about Slavers', but I think so. I've cleared FoW, UW, and DoA with one other person and 6 heroes before, and not using sabway =o, so it is possible.

do you have any pics? or do you remember the professions/type of heroes you used (ie smiting monk, SS/SV necro, MM etc)

as for deep and urgoz O.o 3 people and 9 heroes is impossible so why would they need that (not been to any of them)

Konig Des Todes · Jun 22, 2008, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by Stuart444

do you have any pics? or do you remember the professions/type of heroes you used (ie smiting monk, SS/SV necro, MM etc)

as for deep and urgoz O.o 3 people and 9 heroes is impossible so why would they need that (not been to any of them)

First, Deep and Urgoz have party size of 12 people. Second, no, no pictures, of the group party at least.

I don't recall all the heroes but I was on my sin, my friend was a mesmer(Ineptitude and other anti-melee skills I think), I know my heroes were Tahlkora (prot), General Morgahn (command/leadership *he was a caster supporter*), and Olias (MM of some sort). Can't recall my friend's heroes though. I've changed my builds around so much sense I did those areas that I cannot recall what builds me and my heroes had exactly, just what their purpose was (as that never changes

). By guessing, I think my friend had a Healing monk (Dunkoro I think), Vekk as a fire Ele, and Jora as a Sword Warrior. Don't take my word on those three though

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MagmaRed · Jun 22, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

There are better builds than Sabway for certain places, and taking 6 Necro heroes all running a version of Sabway is a waste. Since each elite area is different, I'd learn what each has, then pick heroes based on what you face. For instance, Sabway has trouble dealing with heaving hexing, so if you face a ton of hexes, a different hero could be a benefit.

Not sure which areas you want to do, but I have completely cleared FoW with 2 other people and 5 heroes, UW with 4 other people and 3 heroes, and Tombs with 2 other people and 5 heroes. None of those heroes used Sabway builds, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't/couldn't work.

Biggest thing you need to be careful of when using heroes is proper skill use. For example, a Hero Monk can bond, but reapplying bonds that got shattered is up to the player who controls that hero. A human Monk running bonds can do it himself with less distraction and down time. Although a Hero warrior could run an Obsidian Flesh build for tanking, putting the flags in the right place, and timing the casts correctly would be extremely difficult. So know what you face, what builds you need, and take what is needed. If what you need can't be run by a hero, then you need to find a person to go with you to fill that role.

Screenshot of part of the trip to FoW: I'm the Necro with 4 Spiteful Spirit's on the skill bar

Stuart444 · Jun 22, 2008, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

There are better builds than Sabway for certain places, and taking 6 Necro heroes all running a version of Sabway is a waste. Since each elite area is different, I'd learn what each has, then pick heroes based on what you face. For instance, Sabway has trouble dealing with heaving hexing, so if you face a ton of hexes, a different hero could be a benefit.

Not sure which areas you want to do, but I have completely cleared FoW with 2 other people and 5 heroes, UW with 4 other people and 3 heroes, and Tombs with 2 other people and 5 heroes. None of those heroes used Sabway builds, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't/couldn't work.

Biggest thing you need to be careful of when using heroes is proper skill use. For example, a Hero Monk can bond, but reapplying bonds that got shattered is up to the player who controls that hero. A human Monk running bonds can do it himself with less distraction and down time. Although a Hero warrior could run an Obsidian Flesh build for tanking, putting the flags in the right place, and timing the casts correctly would be extremely difficult. So know what you face, what builds you need, and take what is needed. If what you need can't be run by a hero, then you need to find a person to go with you to fill that role.

Sabway was just an example since its the most effective build that I have used, although I guess a SS/SV necro could be good, or at least a MM in UW/FoW (I assume most enemies leave explotable corpses in UW and FoW)

a necro/rit healer is okay I guess if your running one healer one prot (either that or two monks who heal and protect)

At least I know its possible to do FoW with 2 people/6 heroes, but I hope UW is. Even if we had to do it alot of times just to get it right, I think it would be worth it since it could be considered a good acomplishment in GW (Imo)

EDIT: 4 spiteful spirits? WTF O_O

Captain Bulldozer · Jun 22, 2008, 08:04 PM // 20:04

I'm sure most of the elite areas could be done with 2 humans and 6 heroes (in normla mode at least). Doing FoW in this way should be no problem really, with the right builds. I'd bet UW would be slightly more difficult, but should still be doable. I personally have done all of DoA except Mallyx with 3 humans and 5 heros (1 rank 3 ursan... the rest a ranger BP party), so I'd imagine 2 and 6 would work out as well... but you'd have to be very careful and micromanage a lot. Slaver's is certainly H/H'able so 2 humans shouldn't have a huge problem. Urgoz and the Deep would most likely be VERY difficult with so few humans, as heroes have a tendency to stand in bad places, even with flagging. Best of luck and let us know how it goes!

MagmaRed · Jun 22, 2008, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by Stuart444

EDIT: 4 spiteful spirits? WTF O_O

[spiteful spirit][arcane echo][inspired hex][smooth criminal]

Was what I used in addition to the skills you can see.

Covah · Jun 22, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

People have completed UW with 2 ursan 4 SF eles and 2 monks.
FoW is easy with the right builds.

Stuart444 · Jun 22, 2008, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Why alot of micromanagement? just curious so I know what to expect

and now that I think about it, when we did FoW before, we died at the highest level enemy (according to the wiki) the dragon lich.

although we had no idea what we were doing, we were just kinda running around at the time since it was the first time in FoW.

malko050987 · Jun 22, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15

I did FoW with a guildie... Me as a Barrage ranger with Sabway and he brought two monks and a nuker, I think. Any balanced team should be able to do FoW, it's not very hard. Same applies to Tombs.

I don't have as much experience with UW, but me and a friend capped spiders for ourselves there. We used 3 nukers and 3 monks, and both of us were rangers. The Aatxes were a bit tricky since we had to manually pre-prot one of us and aggro, but we made it with a minimum of fuss.

I've heard that most of slavers is doable with H/H, although that requires a lot more thinking and planning and pulling and flagging than FoW/Tombs/UW.

I did Urgoz with two guildies a few days ago, and aside from the end, it went perfectly. 3 humans and 9 heroes

We had two Jagged MMs and one SS, along with nuking and healing. The end was a bit nasty, since we had to flag the heroes back (idiots don't run from the exploding plants) and the three of us had to take down Urgoz by ourselves, which took a while.

TheRaven · Jun 23, 2008, 02:15 AM // 02:15

I've cleared FOW NM by myself with 6 heroes (a friend dropped off hers and zoned out) Sorry, no screenshot though.

I was running an ele fire nuker build and I honestly don't remember specially which heroes I had. I know I probably had at least 2 more hero eles. A ranger maybe 2, an SS Necro and of course 2 healers. I didn't take any up close melee fighters since I dislike them in fow.

FengShuiDove · Jun 23, 2008, 02:22 AM // 02:22

Currently doing Slaver's with a Ranger and Assassin and our heroes. Ranger is running a Sabway and I'm running a WoH monk, an RC monk (way underestimated in PvE) and a Fire nuker. Hasn't been bad so far. *knock on wood*

Stuart444 · Jun 23, 2008, 09:39 AM // 09:39

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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove

Currently doing Slaver's with a Ranger and Assassin and our heroes. Ranger is running a Sabway and I'm running a WoH monk, an RC monk (way underestimated in PvE) and a Fire nuker. Hasn't been bad so far. *knock on wood*

What's an RC Monk? (I have learned most of these short name stuff like WoH and nuker but not all of them)

Yol · Jun 23, 2008, 09:47 AM // 09:47

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Originally Posted by Stuart444

What's an RC Monk? (I have learned most of these short name stuff like WoH and nuker but not all of them)

Restore Condition.

evenfall · Jun 23, 2008, 09:59 AM // 09:59

I cleared Fow with just myself and 6 heroes. No real difficulty, just have to watch the npcs.

Tried UW but failed at the four horseman.

Also did slaver's exile with just h/h(including HM for Master of North title).

Jun 22, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54	#1
Stuart444 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Alexandria, Scotland Guild: The Charter Vanguard [CV] Profession: W/	Elite Areas..... Is it possible to do ANY of the elite areas with just two players and heroes. Like, for instance, a Warrior (player) with Sabway and an Searing Flames Elementilist with Sabway? (perhaps changing one MM to a SS OR SV necro) No consets or Ursan as well, since then at least it would be MUCH more of a challenge. Also has anyone done any of the elite areas themselves with just two players and heroes (or even 3 players and heroes) and if so any pictures? If so I certainly wouldn't mind trying it, I don't mind grinding titles but grinding just to play in a group in an elite area.....well then its just not fun, plus people tend to blame each other (or blame the monk) if they fail regardless of who runs and aggros who. Thanks for any answers in advance ^^ (I hope you understood that ramble, I tend to suck at wording things >_> as I tell anyone before I start to explain something) Last edited by Stuart444; Jun 22, 2008 at 04:59 PM // 16:59..

Jun 22, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38	#9
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	There are better builds than Sabway for certain places, and taking 6 Necro heroes all running a version of Sabway is a waste. Since each elite area is different, I'd learn what each has, then pick heroes based on what you face. For instance, Sabway has trouble dealing with heaving hexing, so if you face a ton of hexes, a different hero could be a benefit. Not sure which areas you want to do, but I have completely cleared FoW with 2 other people and 5 heroes, UW with 4 other people and 3 heroes, and Tombs with 2 other people and 5 heroes. None of those heroes used Sabway builds, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't/couldn't work. Biggest thing you need to be careful of when using heroes is proper skill use. For example, a Hero Monk can bond, but reapplying bonds that got shattered is up to the player who controls that hero. A human Monk running bonds can do it himself with less distraction and down time. Although a Hero warrior could run an Obsidian Flesh build for tanking, putting the flags in the right place, and timing the casts correctly would be extremely difficult. So know what you face, what builds you need, and take what is needed. If what you need can't be run by a hero, then you need to find a person to go with you to fill that role. Screenshot of part of the trip to FoW: I'm the Necro with 4 Spiteful Spirit's on the skill bar Last edited by MagmaRed; Jun 22, 2008 at 07:42 PM // 19:42..

Jun 22, 2008, 05:27 PM // 17:27	#2
ogre_jd Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canadia Profession: W/	Well, I managed to Clear the Chamber on my first ever trip to The Underworld with just my Warrior and an incomplete Sabway setup (didn't have Weapon of Remedy for the N/Rt healer, they only had basic 20% HSR staves, and weren't fully runed up) with no real problems. Dunno how much futher I could've gotten if I hadn't been fatally distracted by a spilled coffee mug. I'd assume two players, 6 decent Heroes, and no distractions should be able to get further.

Jun 22, 2008, 06:11 PM // 18:11	#4
zelgadissan Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2008 Guild: The Warrior Priests [WP] Profession: Me/Rt	Honest question: does FoW even count as elite anymore? It shouldn't. However if it does, then a guildie and I did this relatively recently, us being a dervish and mesmer respectively. Haven't done UW with just us but we had no problems as a 4 man/4 hero group, I doubt it'd be an extreme amount harder. Edit: neither of us are Ursan. Ursan can go to hell.

Jun 22, 2008, 08:04 PM // 20:04	#11
Captain Bulldozer Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008 Guild: Servants of the Dragon Flames [SODF]	I'm sure most of the elite areas could be done with 2 humans and 6 heroes (in normla mode at least). Doing FoW in this way should be no problem really, with the right builds. I'd bet UW would be slightly more difficult, but should still be doable. I personally have done all of DoA except Mallyx with 3 humans and 5 heros (1 rank 3 ursan... the rest a ranger BP party), so I'd imagine 2 and 6 would work out as well... but you'd have to be very careful and micromanage a lot. Slaver's is certainly H/H'able so 2 humans shouldn't have a huge problem. Urgoz and the Deep would most likely be VERY difficult with so few humans, as heroes have a tendency to stand in bad places, even with flagging. Best of luck and let us know how it goes!

Jun 22, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07	#13
Covah Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Guild: Catching Jellyfish With [소N트T ] Profession: Me/Rt	People have completed UW with 2 ursan 4 SF eles and 2 monks. FoW is easy with the right builds.

Jun 22, 2008, 08:08 PM // 20:08	#14
Stuart444 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Alexandria, Scotland Guild: The Charter Vanguard [CV] Profession: W/	Why alot of micromanagement? just curious so I know what to expect and now that I think about it, when we did FoW before, we died at the highest level enemy (according to the wiki) the dragon lich. although we had no idea what we were doing, we were just kinda running around at the time since it was the first time in FoW.

Jun 22, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15	#15
malko050987 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Arad, Romania Guild: The Arctic Marauders [TAM] - now recruiting! Profession: R/	I did FoW with a guildie... Me as a Barrage ranger with Sabway and he brought two monks and a nuker, I think. Any balanced team should be able to do FoW, it's not very hard. Same applies to Tombs. I don't have as much experience with UW, but me and a friend capped spiders for ourselves there. We used 3 nukers and 3 monks, and both of us were rangers. The Aatxes were a bit tricky since we had to manually pre-prot one of us and aggro, but we made it with a minimum of fuss. I've heard that most of slavers is doable with H/H, although that requires a lot more thinking and planning and pulling and flagging than FoW/Tombs/UW. I did Urgoz with two guildies a few days ago, and aside from the end, it went perfectly. 3 humans and 9 heroes We had two Jagged MMs and one SS, along with nuking and healing. The end was a bit nasty, since we had to flag the heroes back (idiots don't run from the exploding plants) and the three of us had to take down Urgoz by ourselves, which took a while.

Jun 23, 2008, 02:15 AM // 02:15	#16
TheRaven Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Virginia Guild: Spirit of Elisha Profession: W/	I've cleared FOW NM by myself with 6 heroes (a friend dropped off hers and zoned out) Sorry, no screenshot though. I was running an ele fire nuker build and I honestly don't remember specially which heroes I had. I know I probably had at least 2 more hero eles. A ranger maybe 2, an SS Necro and of course 2 healers. I didn't take any up close melee fighters since I dislike them in fow.

Jun 23, 2008, 02:22 AM // 02:22	#17
FengShuiDove Forge Runner Join Date: Sep 2007 Guild: Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] Profession: A/	Currently doing Slaver's with a Ranger and Assassin and our heroes. Ranger is running a Sabway and I'm running a WoH monk, an RC monk (way underestimated in PvE) and a Fire nuker. Hasn't been bad so far. knock on wood

Jun 23, 2008, 09:59 AM // 09:59	#20
evenfall Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005	I cleared Fow with just myself and 6 heroes. No real difficulty, just have to watch the npcs. Tried UW but failed at the four horseman. Also did slaver's exile with just h/h(including HM for Master of North title).