Why am I taking triple the max damage of elemental spells? - Guild Wars Forums

dhawke20 · Feb 28, 2009, 04:27 PM // 16:27

I have a lvl 20 Ritualist with max armor (60)... When I am hit with spells such as Dragon Stomp, Lightning Hammer and Channeled Strike I'm taking somewhere between 280 and 320 dmg in one hit. These spells' max out at around 100.

I can understand not having good armor vs. elemental damage or Rit spells ignoring armor or whatever but, as far as I understand, even with 20% armor penetration the damage should be within the range that's in the spells description. So, for instance, Channeled Strike shouldn't do more than 98 damage and that's while holding an item. Why is it hitting me for 310? Is there something I'm missing?

payne · Feb 28, 2009, 04:31 PM // 16:31

i'm guessing your PvE?

its because enemies are above lvl 20 i.e they have higher atts so they do more damage...some bosses have around 18-20 in given attribute thats why they do more damage to you..regardless of your armor

HawkofStorms · Feb 28, 2009, 04:33 PM // 16:33

The difference between levels is part of the calculation for damage. For example, a level 20 player will do a lot more damage to a level 5 player/monster, even if they have max armor.
This means monsters will always do more damage to you then you using the same skills will do to them because they are a higher level then you.
Also, bosses have double the normal damage output.

dhawke20 · Feb 28, 2009, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

The difference between levels is part of the calculation for damage. For example, a level 20 player will do a lot more damage to a level 5 player/monster, even if they have max armor.
This means monsters will always do more damage to you then you using the same skills will do to them because they are a higher level then you.
Also, bosses have double the normal damage output.

Well I was just in Xaquang Skyway and took triple damage from Dragon Stomp and it was cast by a level 20 Jade Brotherhood Mage. *shrug*

payne · Feb 28, 2009, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by dhawke20

Well I was just in Xaquang Skyway and took triple damage from Dragon Stomp and it was cast by a level 20 Jade Brotherhood Mage. *shrug*

just how it is tbh...otherwise PvE would become PvP with less skills

and more environments

Icy The Mage · Feb 28, 2009, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by dhawke20

Well I was just in Xaquang Skyway and took triple damage from Dragon Stomp and it was cast by a level 20 Jade Brotherhood Mage. *shrug*

You must not have max armor then, because he should do exactly the damage in the skills' description (armor unignoring damage versus the same level caster).

Could you possibly have lower than max armor? (60 AL is max)

payne · Feb 28, 2009, 04:58 PM // 16:58

[QUOTE=dhawke20;4513324]

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Originally Posted by dhawke20

I have a lvl 20 Ritualist with max armor (60)...

has max...so you should take taking max damage from that skill...unless you have hexes on you...but i don't think anything in xaquang does that apart frm the mes but they don't have armor reduction as far as i know

Covah · Feb 28, 2009, 05:12 PM // 17:12

Don't use frenzy.

MagmaRed · Feb 28, 2009, 05:13 PM // 17:13

Hate to say it, but screenshot or it didn't happen. I've taken all 10 classes through all 4 games, and never had an issue with damage being more than it should from monsters. Check your armor again, check what skills you were using, what skills your team was using (anything cast on you that may help the monsters?), what hexes you have on you, and what conditions you have on you.

Would have to be NM as HM the Jade Brotherhood would be higher than level 20. Really need more info, as the info you provided goes against everything seen by other players or is listed on either Wiki.

Chthon · Feb 28, 2009, 05:14 PM // 17:14

Caster damage = list_damage * 2 ^ (((3 * caster_level) - defender_armor)/40), and Factions bosses do double damage. That's all there is to it. Check the spell, the monster's attribute, the monster's level, your armor, and whether the monster is a boss again -- one of those will explain it.

Arduin · Feb 28, 2009, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Yet, there's no Elementalist boss in Xaquang Skyway.

payne · Feb 28, 2009, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

Yet, there's no Elementalist boss in Xaquang Skyway.

although there is a very bastardly rit boss if his mobs catch him up ^^_

needa see you bar etc.

Massive Impulsa · Feb 28, 2009, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Physical Resistance? By any chance :>? - Also a Screenshoot would help alot, pretty sure its just some stupid mistake.

Arduin · Feb 28, 2009, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by payne

although there is a very bastardly rit boss if his mobs catch him up ^^_

Which uses [[Channeled Strike], at level 24. So without using runes, his Channeling Magic would be at 16?

Using the calculator:

Caster damage = list_damage * 2 ^ (((3 * caster_level) - defender_armor)/40)

Caster damage = ((101+37)*2) * 2^(((3 *24) - 60)/40) = 339.80

Bold is for him being boss.

So there you go, at least the Rit boss can hurt you in the 300+ range. A fact I can remember from earlier encounters.

And in HM it's pretty much an instagib, 599 dmg if his Channeling Magic is at 21.

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Okay, went out for some testing on my lvl 20 Monk. Level 60 armor, no armor modifying Insignia's or runes, no weapon/shield. Only using healing skills. All on NM. (noticed I was using my staff at 3rd picture, but that's the Deldrimor Protection Staff, so non-important)

Ritu Boss hits for 320. Pretty close to the calculations, maybe he has 15 Channeling Magic instead of 16:

Ritu Brotherhood hits for 95:

Ele Brotherhood hits for 100:

So....I'm not getting those insane damages you are posting on the regular mobs. Are you absolutely positive ALL your armor is max? You aren't wearing a lvl 15AL footgear or something?

Rhamia Darigaz · Feb 28, 2009, 10:10 PM // 22:10

the answer to this question is already documented on the wiki -.-
search for damage calculation

dhawke20 · Mar 01, 2009, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Okay so I can understand bosses doing double damage. I guess that would explain this... It's not 310 here, and I may have been thinking of Lightning Hammer from the Am Fah Ele Boss in The Undercity, but 234 is still more than double what the description says it should do.

And here is my armor, so for those who thought that I am a moron and didn't know what armor I have...

I don't have screen shots of the Dragon Stomp or Lightning Hammer, but I know that it was not happening with any bosses around because I double checked after it happened a few times. If I end up getting some screenshots I will post them.

Anyway, I was just wondering because it didn't seem to make sense to me. I figured the spells description of the damage range would include 12+ attributes, for example, if a spells max damage is 100, that would be at rank 24 of that governing attribute, not 12.

Thanks for the input though.

FoxBat · Mar 01, 2009, 12:54 AM // 00:54

It is more than double what a lvl 20 person would do... but that's a level 24 boss. Lvl 24 do roughly 16% more damage than the listed skill description. Then you take into account their raised attribute levels, albeit this guy is probably no higher than 16. Don't forget the damage bonus for holding an item- this is added into that damage total.

Arduin · Mar 01, 2009, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by dhawke20

I don't have screen shots of the Dragon Stomp or Lightning Hammer, but I know that it was not happening with any bosses around because I double checked after it happened a few times. If I end up getting some screenshots I will post them.

Well, I encountered only a max damage of 100 from a Brotherhood Mage using Dragon Stomp, as showed on the 3rd screenshot. So if you are able to replicate your encounter and screenshot it, please do

Lusciious · Mar 01, 2009, 01:34 AM // 01:34

armor penetration ! dont forget that.

check if you have 60al. because i don't believe you have it. ive only managed to get hit that high when im using a weak armor. not the maxed one for your profession.

dhawke20 · Mar 01, 2009, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by Lusciious

armor penetration ! dont forget that.

check if you have 60al. because i don't believe you have it. ive only managed to get hit that high when im using a weak armor. not the maxed one for your profession.

.................I said I have a full max armor set and then I even posted screen shots for the other people who thought I was wrong. It is an indisputable fact that I have 60AL.

Feb 28, 2009, 04:27 PM // 16:27	#1
dhawke20 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2009 Guild: Nocturnal Order of Mithraeum [MooN] Profession: R/	Why am I taking triple the max damage of elemental spells? I have a lvl 20 Ritualist with max armor (60)... When I am hit with spells such as Dragon Stomp, Lightning Hammer and Channeled Strike I'm taking somewhere between 280 and 320 dmg in one hit. These spells' max out at around 100. I can understand not having good armor vs. elemental damage or Rit spells ignoring armor or whatever but, as far as I understand, even with 20% armor penetration the damage should be within the range that's in the spells description. So, for instance, Channeled Strike shouldn't do more than 98 damage and that's while holding an item. Why is it hitting me for 310? Is there something I'm missing?

Mar 01, 2009, 12:18 AM // 00:18	#16
dhawke20 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2009 Guild: Nocturnal Order of Mithraeum [MooN] Profession: R/	Okay so I can understand bosses doing double damage. I guess that would explain this... It's not 310 here, and I may have been thinking of Lightning Hammer from the Am Fah Ele Boss in The Undercity, but 234 is still more than double what the description says it should do. And here is my armor, so for those who thought that I am a moron and didn't know what armor I have... I don't have screen shots of the Dragon Stomp or Lightning Hammer, but I know that it was not happening with any bosses around because I double checked after it happened a few times. If I end up getting some screenshots I will post them. Anyway, I was just wondering because it didn't seem to make sense to me. I figured the spells description of the damage range would include 12+ attributes, for example, if a spells max damage is 100, that would be at rank 24 of that governing attribute, not 12. Thanks for the input though. Last edited by dhawke20; Mar 01, 2009 at 12:25 AM // 00:25..

Feb 28, 2009, 04:31 PM // 16:31	#2
payne Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: england (currently located on the south coast) Profession: R/	i'm guessing your PvE? its because enemies are above lvl 20 i.e they have higher atts so they do more damage...some bosses have around 18-20 in given attribute thats why they do more damage to you..regardless of your armor

Feb 28, 2009, 04:33 PM // 16:33	#3
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	The difference between levels is part of the calculation for damage. For example, a level 20 player will do a lot more damage to a level 5 player/monster, even if they have max armor. This means monsters will always do more damage to you then you using the same skills will do to them because they are a higher level then you. Also, bosses have double the normal damage output.

Feb 28, 2009, 05:12 PM // 17:12	#8
Covah Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Guild: Catching Jellyfish With [소N트T ] Profession: Me/Rt	Don't use frenzy.

Feb 28, 2009, 05:13 PM // 17:13	#9
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	Hate to say it, but screenshot or it didn't happen. I've taken all 10 classes through all 4 games, and never had an issue with damage being more than it should from monsters. Check your armor again, check what skills you were using, what skills your team was using (anything cast on you that may help the monsters?), what hexes you have on you, and what conditions you have on you. Would have to be NM as HM the Jade Brotherhood would be higher than level 20. Really need more info, as the info you provided goes against everything seen by other players or is listed on either Wiki.

Feb 28, 2009, 05:14 PM // 17:14	#10
Chthon Grotto Attendant Join Date: Apr 2007	Caster damage = list_damage * 2 ^ (((3 * caster_level) - defender_armor)/40), and Factions bosses do double damage. That's all there is to it. Check the spell, the monster's attribute, the monster's level, your armor, and whether the monster is a boss again -- one of those will explain it.

Feb 28, 2009, 05:21 PM // 17:21	#11
Arduin Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: Limburgse Jagers [LJ] Profession: R/	Yet, there's no Elementalist boss in Xaquang Skyway.

Feb 28, 2009, 06:19 PM // 18:19	#13
Massive Impulsa Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In Viking land! (Norwaii) Guild: Beyond the Gates of Infinity [sKy] Profession: R/Mo	Physical Resistance? By any chance :>? - Also a Screenshoot would help alot, pretty sure its just some stupid mistake.

Feb 28, 2009, 10:10 PM // 22:10	#15
Rhamia Darigaz Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2008	the answer to this question is already documented on the wiki -.- search for damage calculation

Mar 01, 2009, 12:54 AM // 00:54	#17
FoxBat Furnace Stoker Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: Amazon Basin [AB] Profession: Mo/Me	It is more than double what a lvl 20 person would do... but that's a level 24 boss. Lvl 24 do roughly 16% more damage than the listed skill description. Then you take into account their raised attribute levels, albeit this guy is probably no higher than 16. Don't forget the damage bonus for holding an item- this is added into that damage total.

Mar 01, 2009, 01:34 AM // 01:34	#19
Lusciious Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: I'm from Singapore but i live in Shanghai ATM Guild: Order of [Thay] Profession: N/	armor penetration ! dont forget that. check if you have 60al. because i don't believe you have it. ive only managed to get hit that high when im using a weak armor. not the maxed one for your profession.