question about Sabway and Discord way - Guild Wars Forums

Enable · Aug 27, 2009, 01:04 AM // 01:04

whos better for HM Vanq? right now im using Discord way.

1 more question

what will work better in NM missions/quests

Sabway or discord

thanks

Zzes Tyan · Aug 27, 2009, 01:55 AM // 01:55

It depends on what prof you run. Physicals (Para, War, Ranger) go best with Sabway, while Caster profs go better with Discordway. (Sin/Derv not mentioned as physicals because of 4 energy regen)

FengShuiDove · Aug 27, 2009, 02:27 AM // 02:27

If you're going for speed, Discordway blows away anything else by miles.

**Marty Silverblade** · Aug 27, 2009, 03:00 AM // 03:00

Don't know if this is me or not, but Discord was far superior on my War than Sabway ever was. Maybe I just couldn't get it to work right, but I'd classify Sabway as obsolete. Argument should be Discord vs. Arkfenway/spiritway.

Relent Less · Aug 27, 2009, 03:26 AM // 03:26

from what little experience ive had with them, I would say discord by a long shot.
and i know that alot of the people in my alliance use it for vanqing so i would go with discordway.

-Will Farm For Gold- · Aug 27, 2009, 03:49 AM // 03:49

I think Discord is so much better. Sabway is good and all but Discord is just much faster and easier.

Masmar · Aug 27, 2009, 05:58 AM // 05:58

I tend to use sabway just to get through campaigns just because it doesnt require much to work, but when im going to vanquish i get them modded up for discord, cause its better

Arduin · Aug 27, 2009, 06:25 AM // 06:25

Using an Assassin's Promise caller, with "You Move Like a Dwarf!", Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support and "Finish Him!", you never have to worry about changing your Discord build. Just steamroll through anything NM or HM.

Just.nl · Aug 27, 2009, 07:24 AM // 07:24

Im a mesmer, and im running Sabway. It works perfectly. Ive did my Canthan Vanquisher with Discordway. Now im doing Elonian Vanquisher with Sabway and Sabway is way more stable. In Discord way you almost always die in the 1st 2 groups.

Sabway works even great if you have 2 Sabways in your team. But i changed the builds a bit to my preferences. I will post them here:

Sabway MM:
[Jagged Bones][Animate Bone Minions][Blood of the Master][Putrid Flesh][Extinguish][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Signet of Lost Souls]

Sabway SS:
[Barbs][Enfeebling Blood][Rip Enchantment][Spiteful Spirit][Reckless Haste][Mark of Pain][Signet of Lost Souls][Flesh of My Flesh]

Sabway Restorer:
[Xinrea's Weapon][Splinter Weapon][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Protective was Kaolai][Life][Signet of Lost Souls][Flesh of My Flesh]

stuntharley · Aug 27, 2009, 07:25 AM // 07:25

On a warrior, I would say Discord is faster

Enablee · Aug 27, 2009, 08:11 AM // 08:11

im assassin, its matter for vanq?

Jensy · Aug 27, 2009, 08:28 AM // 08:28

Leg. Vanq + LMON without discord or 'true' Sabway (was a curses nec myself + brought along a MM/real! monk/gwen), so it's possible to do it all without both gimmick builds and not a lot of effort. Your mileage may vary.

bvc310 · Aug 27, 2009, 08:30 AM // 08:30

i think discord is easier for any build probably support builds but sabway is way easier to manage. your best bet is to get another alliance member or someone else to run with you so you can run sabway heros and discord heros. btw im still working on vanq elona. I have 13 areas left so im open to playing with you. my IGN is Aurora Firenza. Im at 15 max titles and ive used sabway almost exclusively until recently

Enablee · Aug 27, 2009, 08:36 AM // 08:36

i have not done NF X:

its the last campaiign i have to finish, thanks for offering.

btw if im in area that can have 8 in party, its matter if im take hench? or i just me and my heroes should go

Targren · Aug 28, 2009, 01:32 PM // 13:32

Sabway is not shut down and faceraped in areas with good/insane hex/condition removal (*glares hatefully at Kourna*).

One stripped AP is enough to pretty well cripple a non-caster AP-caller for a while..

Both are kind of boned(no pun intended) without corpses, Discord less so.

Having used both[0], I find that, where it works, Discordway excels in speed, and sabway is slower but far more robust. Depends on your playstyle.

[0]In the past. I've got a nice balance team that works now.

Fate Crusher · Aug 29, 2009, 02:28 AM // 02:28

I beleive Death Blossom spam is much faster as a sin for NM because of the yummy criticals, so sabway would be recommended. you can modify it however you want, maybe involve Strength and Honour or something.

But for HM, the higher level of the creatures reduces your chances for a critical plus their health and armour (i think) are buffed and so the armour ignoring damage would also be favourable. Discord can also be done within casting range and therefore is better for successful pulling of groups and such.

chowmein69 · Aug 29, 2009, 06:10 AM // 06:10

discordway is better for sin

bring asuran scan for hex

moon sunstar · Aug 29, 2009, 11:15 AM // 11:15

I found discord better in general but as someone pointed out when you encounter mobs with hex removal skills you can run into trouble as they shut your attack chain down

So far I found "ether seals" to be the most annoying mobs in this category but also mesmers generally & monks with hex removal too

BTW IME trying to add a cover hex doesnt always work as the AP hex can be removed before you get the cover on - it can be easier to use the cover first, let it get stripped then add AP while there removal skill is still recharging & preferebly another cover on top if you have one on your skill bar

Another thing I noticed recently is that a sin I teamed with running discord seemed to kill things quicker than I did as a monk (obviously this was a subjective obversation on my part & I could be mistaken) - if this observation was correct then either he had a better overall build than my pvxwiki build or alternatively his sin +attribute runes made a difference

dilan155 · Aug 29, 2009, 01:34 PM // 13:34

i would also say discordway is better, because its faster, but it does have its draw backs like condition/hex removal. but over all i prefer discordway.

FengShuiDove · Aug 29, 2009, 05:48 PM // 17:48

Yes, AP removal hurts, but not that much if you bring alternate hexes. My Discord-feed bar is now:

Assassin's Promise
YMLaD!
EVAS
FH!
Signet of Deadly Corruption
Enduring Toxin
Mark of Death
Rebirth

If I know I'm up against hex removal, I'll start with Enduring Toxin and wait for removal, then Mark of Death, then AP. Alternately, if there's only one hex removal in the group, I'll start with AP and cover immediately with Toxin.

If you're an Assassin, you can play so many different builds it's not funny. You can use literally any melee weapon or a spear with great effectiveness, but bring an attack skill that causes a condition (Golden Fang Strike, Wounding Strike, Cruel Spear, Apply Poison, Gash, etc.) and Asuran Scan or AP (if you're just trying to feed). Even if you're against hex removal, you can pump out ridiculous damage with ridiculous party support on Discordway.

Sabway is most stable if you have a minion wall, but against large HM groups you won't have the wall for long and since it has less spike potential you'll be dropping enemies slower.

Also, as Marty said, Arkfenway is pretty hawt. It's a good alternative to Discordway in many cases.

Aug 27, 2009, 01:04 AM // 01:04	#1
Enable Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2008	question about Sabway and Discord way whos better for HM Vanq? right now im using Discord way. 1 more question what will work better in NM missions/quests Sabway or discord thanks

Aug 27, 2009, 03:00 AM // 03:00	#4
Marty Silverblade Administrator Join Date: Jun 2006	Don't know if this is me or not, but Discord was far superior on my War than Sabway ever was. Maybe I just couldn't get it to work right, but I'd classify Sabway as obsolete. Argument should be Discord vs. Arkfenway/spiritway. __________________

Aug 27, 2009, 08:36 AM // 08:36	#14
Enablee Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Aug 2009	i have not done NF X: its the last campaiign i have to finish, thanks for offering. btw if im in area that can have 8 in party, its matter if im take hench? or i just me and my heroes should go Last edited by Enablee; Aug 27, 2009 at 08:38 AM // 08:38..

Aug 29, 2009, 11:15 AM // 11:15	#18
moon sunstar Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2009	I found discord better in general but as someone pointed out when you encounter mobs with hex removal skills you can run into trouble as they shut your attack chain down So far I found "ether seals" to be the most annoying mobs in this category but also mesmers generally & monks with hex removal too BTW IME trying to add a cover hex doesnt always work as the AP hex can be removed before you get the cover on - it can be easier to use the cover first, let it get stripped then add AP while there removal skill is still recharging & preferebly another cover on top if you have one on your skill bar Another thing I noticed recently is that a sin I teamed with running discord seemed to kill things quicker than I did as a monk (obviously this was a subjective obversation on my part & I could be mistaken) - if this observation was correct then either he had a better overall build than my pvxwiki build or alternatively his sin +attribute runes made a difference Last edited by moon sunstar; Aug 29, 2009 at 11:19 AM // 11:19..

Aug 27, 2009, 01:55 AM // 01:55	#2
Zzes Tyan Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Florida Guild: [Play] Profession: D/	It depends on what prof you run. Physicals (Para, War, Ranger) go best with Sabway, while Caster profs go better with Discordway. (Sin/Derv not mentioned as physicals because of 4 energy regen)

Aug 27, 2009, 02:27 AM // 02:27	#3
FengShuiDove Forge Runner Join Date: Sep 2007 Guild: Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] Profession: A/	If you're going for speed, Discordway blows away anything else by miles.

Aug 27, 2009, 03:26 AM // 03:26	#5
Relent Less Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2009 Guild: Seekers of Valor [SoV] Profession: D/Mo	from what little experience ive had with them, I would say discord by a long shot. and i know that alot of the people in my alliance use it for vanqing so i would go with discordway.

Aug 27, 2009, 03:49 AM // 03:49	#6
-Will Farm For Gold- Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: University of Missouri Guild: Shiverpeaks Search And Rescue [Lost] Profession: N/	I think Discord is so much better. Sabway is good and all but Discord is just much faster and easier.

Aug 27, 2009, 05:58 AM // 05:58	#7
Masmar Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2008 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Guild: We Gat Dis [HRUU] Profession: E/	I tend to use sabway just to get through campaigns just because it doesnt require much to work, but when im going to vanquish i get them modded up for discord, cause its better

Aug 27, 2009, 06:25 AM // 06:25	#8
Arduin Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: Limburgse Jagers [LJ] Profession: R/	Using an Assassin's Promise caller, with "You Move Like a Dwarf!", Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support and "Finish Him!", you never have to worry about changing your Discord build. Just steamroll through anything NM or HM.

Aug 27, 2009, 07:24 AM // 07:24	#9
Just.nl Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: The Netherlands, Noord-Brabant Guild: Mu-Tants [MU] Profession: Me/	Im a mesmer, and im running Sabway. It works perfectly. Ive did my Canthan Vanquisher with Discordway. Now im doing Elonian Vanquisher with Sabway and Sabway is way more stable. In Discord way you almost always die in the 1st 2 groups. Sabway works even great if you have 2 Sabways in your team. But i changed the builds a bit to my preferences. I will post them here: Sabway MM: [Jagged Bones][Animate Bone Minions][Blood of the Master][Putrid Flesh][Extinguish][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Signet of Lost Souls] Sabway SS: [Barbs][Enfeebling Blood][Rip Enchantment][Spiteful Spirit][Reckless Haste][Mark of Pain][Signet of Lost Souls][Flesh of My Flesh] Sabway Restorer: [Xinrea's Weapon][Splinter Weapon][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Protective was Kaolai][Life][Signet of Lost Souls][Flesh of My Flesh]

Aug 27, 2009, 07:25 AM // 07:25	#10
stuntharley Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Australia Guild: Critical Chop [cC] Profession: W/	On a warrior, I would say Discord is faster

Aug 27, 2009, 08:11 AM // 08:11	#11
Enablee Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Aug 2009	im assassin, its matter for vanq?

Aug 27, 2009, 08:28 AM // 08:28	#12
Jensy Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Guild: Blinkie Ponie Armie [bpa] Profession: N/Mo	Leg. Vanq + LMON without discord or 'true' Sabway (was a curses nec myself + brought along a MM/real! monk/gwen), so it's possible to do it all without both gimmick builds and not a lot of effort. Your mileage may vary.

Aug 27, 2009, 08:30 AM // 08:30	#13
bvc310 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2009 Guild: [Chi] Profession: E/	i think discord is easier for any build probably support builds but sabway is way easier to manage. your best bet is to get another alliance member or someone else to run with you so you can run sabway heros and discord heros. btw im still working on vanq elona. I have 13 areas left so im open to playing with you. my IGN is Aurora Firenza. Im at 15 max titles and ive used sabway almost exclusively until recently

Aug 28, 2009, 01:32 PM // 13:32	#15
Targren Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2007 Guild: Primeval Warlords[wuw] Profession: R/	Sabway is not shut down and faceraped in areas with good/insane hex/condition removal (glares hatefully at Kourna). One stripped AP is enough to pretty well cripple a non-caster AP-caller for a while.. Both are kind of boned(no pun intended) without corpses, Discord less so. Having used both[0], I find that, where it works, Discordway excels in speed, and sabway is slower but far more robust. Depends on your playstyle. [0]In the past. I've got a nice balance team that works now.

Aug 29, 2009, 02:28 AM // 02:28	#16
Fate Crusher Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pie-land Guild: Warlords Of The Underworld [WoTU] Profession: Mo/	I beleive Death Blossom spam is much faster as a sin for NM because of the yummy criticals, so sabway would be recommended. you can modify it however you want, maybe involve Strength and Honour or something. But for HM, the higher level of the creatures reduces your chances for a critical plus their health and armour (i think) are buffed and so the armour ignoring damage would also be favourable. Discord can also be done within casting range and therefore is better for successful pulling of groups and such.

Aug 29, 2009, 06:10 AM // 06:10	#17
chowmein69 Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2007	discordway is better for sin bring asuran scan for hex

Aug 29, 2009, 01:34 PM // 13:34	#19
dilan155 Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2007 Location: living room Profession: N/	i would also say discordway is better, because its faster, but it does have its draw backs like condition/hex removal. but over all i prefer discordway.

Aug 29, 2009, 05:48 PM // 17:48	#20
FengShuiDove Forge Runner Join Date: Sep 2007 Guild: Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] Profession: A/	Yes, AP removal hurts, but not that much if you bring alternate hexes. My Discord-feed bar is now: Assassin's Promise YMLaD! EVAS FH! Signet of Deadly Corruption Enduring Toxin Mark of Death Rebirth If I know I'm up against hex removal, I'll start with Enduring Toxin and wait for removal, then Mark of Death, then AP. Alternately, if there's only one hex removal in the group, I'll start with AP and cover immediately with Toxin. If you're an Assassin, you can play so many different builds it's not funny. You can use literally any melee weapon or a spear with great effectiveness, but bring an attack skill that causes a condition (Golden Fang Strike, Wounding Strike, Cruel Spear, Apply Poison, Gash, etc.) and Asuran Scan or AP (if you're just trying to feed). Even if you're against hex removal, you can pump out ridiculous damage with ridiculous party support on Discordway. Sabway is most stable if you have a minion wall, but against large HM groups you won't have the wall for long and since it has less spike potential you'll be dropping enemies slower. Also, as Marty said, Arkfenway is pretty hawt. It's a good alternative to Discordway in many cases.