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Lithril Ashwalker · Jan 09, 2011, 12:14 AM // 00:14

http://argos.soft.free.fr/GwEstimator/

is this legit on accuracy and safe to post on gwguru to help the community trying to sell or buy items?

if i wanted to post this site for gwguru community as help where and how would i post? because it would be the first post of this kind to benefit the community i would have done

RedDog91 · Jan 09, 2011, 12:17 AM // 00:17

Its as good a tool as any to find common prices for some item.
And you wouldn't be the first to post...it's been posted plenty of times already.

**Marty Silverblade** · Jan 09, 2011, 12:18 AM // 00:18

It's been posted on a couple of occasions already and knowledge of it seems to be spreading throughout the community. Afaik, Anet hasn't said anything about it yet. It looks questionable though. How are they obtaining that information? I doubt that there's someone there typing in each message. Given that it doesn't provide any significant advantages, I don't think using it is bannable, but of course Anet has the right to ban anyone they choose. The people who created/run the site may be in trouble though.

End · Jan 09, 2011, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

It's been posted on a couple of occasions already and knowledge of it seems to be spreading throughout the community. Afaik, Anet hasn't said anything about it yet. It looks questionable though. How are they obtaining that information? I doubt that there's someone there typing in each message. Given that it doesn't provide any significant advantages, I don't think using it is bannable, but of course Anet has the right to ban anyone they choose. The people who created/run the site may be in trouble though.

As was pointed out in the orignial thread this was in. The user-side is not breaking any rules. The people producing it on the other hand may be in a goodly bit of trouble depending on how they are doing it. However, I doubt that there will be any action taken if this is all it's doing.

It'd be like banning me for having a keybind that types /resign. It hurts no one has no effect on gameplay and in this case is actually benficial for people both buyers and sellers. I used it a couple times and pm'd some of the names on there to grab some christmas presents for friends

Vlad · Jan 09, 2011, 12:45 AM // 00:45

IMO its a very useful website. i used it every time i need to PC something. And it is accurate cuz i talked in kama a bit. then i went and checked the website and the exact same thing was on it.

*Darcy* · Jan 09, 2011, 01:49 AM // 01:49

Just don't link it as a response in Price Check forum. Asking prices are not always the best measure of value.

Zebideedee · Jan 09, 2011, 03:49 AM // 03:49

Prolly good for high end items, normal everyday items will no doubt be sold before you get a chance to act on what you see with this

LicensedLuny · Jan 09, 2011, 05:38 AM // 05:38

I'm fairly new to using that thing myself.

I have noticed a couple things about it worth knowing if you're using it to buy or sell stuff.

1) It's logging chat lines from Kama AD1 only. Trade lines from other districts and other regions don't seem to be logged at all.

2) It's not logging 24/7. I've found the best way to get a feel for when it's watching is to search for something that shows up frequently in trade ads, like "ecto" If the most recent trade ad containing "ecto" is a few hours old, then whatever is supposed to be in there reading lines is not currently active. It seems to be using GMT timezone.

3) Like a lot of web applications, it has trouble with apostrophes. If you're searching for info on "Bob's Staff," you're better off typing in "Bob Staff"

That's my two ... er, three cents.

I didn't write the program, and I don't work for ANet. Therefore, I can't speak to its legitimacy.

Cheers,
Luny

Lord Dagon · Jan 09, 2011, 07:28 AM // 07:28

yes its legit. its how i found my el beetle juice tonic and my el sisniter tonic.

so yea.. i think its worthwhile and legit.

(those things are a pain in the arse to find without that website... or at least they were till everyone started sellign them to finance HoM...)

nuclear_herring · Jan 09, 2011, 08:05 AM // 08:05

I hadn't seen this so I for one am very grateful.
Will make it easier to budget for the minis I need for my HoM.

41/50 so far and still going.

ruk1a · Jan 09, 2011, 09:29 AM // 09:29

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Originally Posted by End

As was pointed out in the orignial thread this was in. The user-side is not breaking any rules. The people producing it on the other hand may be in a goodly bit of trouble depending on how they are doing it. However, I doubt that there will be any action taken if this is all it's doing.

It'd be like banning me for having a keybind that types /resign. It hurts no one has no effect on gameplay and in this case is actually benficial for people both buyers and sellers. I used it a couple times and pm'd some of the names on there to grab some christmas presents for friends

yeah it's a fantastic tool and i feel 100% confident when using it, knowing that i won't get banned... but like others have said the people that run the program to obtain the info may be in trouble but if anet does not perceive it as a threat i highly doubt any action will be taken.

Calista Blackblood · Jan 09, 2011, 09:35 AM // 09:35

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

It's been posted on a couple of occasions already and knowledge of it seems to be spreading throughout the community. Afaik, Anet hasn't said anything about it yet. It looks questionable though. How are they obtaining that information? I doubt that there's someone there typing in each message. Given that it doesn't provide any significant advantages, I don't think using it is bannable, but of course Anet has the right to ban anyone they choose. The people who created/run the site may be in trouble though.

HT Gamma's xfire+ plugin he was working on is the same principal. Decipher one area of code and put the resulting stream into a neat gui/webpage. In his case,char name,titles,skill bar,outpost name and such,in this case, AD1 Spamadan.

It doesn't directly modify the client or anything like that.

tasha · Jan 09, 2011, 12:51 PM // 12:51

I can't find anything to back this up but I thought that this was running from someone's client who was running picture analysis on trade chat. HT Gamma was using RAM memory locations to mine character data, but you can extract pictures of text using texmod so maybe its not possible to extract text from RAM in the same manner?

At any rate, I use the site a lot and its a really useful tool.

End · Jan 09, 2011, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by tasha

I can't find anything to back this up but I thought that this was running from someone's client who was running picture analysis on trade chat. HT Gamma was using RAM memory locations to mine character data, but you can extract pictures of text using texmod so maybe its not possible to extract text from RAM in the same manner?

At any rate, I use the site a lot and its a really useful tool.

There should be no reason you couldn't grab it from the memory provided you could locate the address. Theres no reason the chat wouldn't be stored client-side and if its stored client-side where are you going to put it besides the memory?

tasha · Jan 09, 2011, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by End

There should be no reason you couldn't grab it from the memory provided you could locate the address. Theres no reason the chat wouldn't be stored client-side and if its stored client-side where are you going to put it besides the memory?

Yes you're going to put it in the memory. My thought was that maybe the actual text wasn't but the textures were, but after thinking again that's a stupid idea and unworkable. Apologies.

Although there was a proposed project that did this (how many trading tools have been proposed/developed and died over the course of GW history?) it seems they ended up mining memory instead.

Kamatsu · Jan 09, 2011, 11:49 PM // 23:49

You know, as nice as this discussion is.. it's been said and done before, and this is the Q&A forum, not the "discuss the legality of X" forum.

OP - next time please use the SEARCH feature. Had you done this, you'd have found your answer to this. I searched "gwestimator" and the following were found:

What's that price checking website?
gwEstimator
Market? How To Sell to Other Players?
I feel so ashamed

Thread closed.

Jan 09, 2011, 12:14 AM // 00:14	#1
Lithril Ashwalker Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Alabama Profession: A/	is this legit ? http://argos.soft.free.fr/GwEstimator/ is this legit on accuracy and safe to post on gwguru to help the community trying to sell or buy items? if i wanted to post this site for gwguru community as help where and how would i post? because it would be the first post of this kind to benefit the community i would have done

Jan 09, 2011, 12:18 AM // 00:18	#3
Marty Silverblade Administrator Join Date: Jun 2006	It's been posted on a couple of occasions already and knowledge of it seems to be spreading throughout the community. Afaik, Anet hasn't said anything about it yet. It looks questionable though. How are they obtaining that information? I doubt that there's someone there typing in each message. Given that it doesn't provide any significant advantages, I don't think using it is bannable, but of course Anet has the right to ban anyone they choose. The people who created/run the site may be in trouble though. __________________

Jan 09, 2011, 11:49 PM // 23:49	#16
Kamatsu Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia	You know, as nice as this discussion is.. it's been said and done before, and this is the Q&A forum, not the "discuss the legality of X" forum. OP - next time please use the SEARCH feature. Had you done this, you'd have found your answer to this. I searched "gwestimator" and the following were found: What's that price checking website? gwEstimator Market? How To Sell to Other Players? I feel so ashamed Thread closed. __________________ Have a moderation related issue or just want to chat? Send me a PM

Jan 09, 2011, 12:17 AM // 00:17	#2
RedDog91 Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Farming for Nick gifts Profession: R/	Its as good a tool as any to find common prices for some item. And you wouldn't be the first to post...it's been posted plenty of times already.

Jan 09, 2011, 12:45 AM // 00:45	#5
Vlad Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Canada, UW Guild: O.O Profession: R/	IMO its a very useful website. i used it every time i need to PC something. And it is accurate cuz i talked in kama a bit. then i went and checked the website and the exact same thing was on it.

Jan 09, 2011, 01:49 AM // 01:49	#6
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	Just don't link it as a response in Price Check forum. Asking prices are not always the best measure of value.

Jan 09, 2011, 03:49 AM // 03:49	#7
Zebideedee Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: 55?? 57' 0" N / 3?? 12' 0" W Profession: N/Me	Prolly good for high end items, normal everyday items will no doubt be sold before you get a chance to act on what you see with this

Jan 09, 2011, 05:38 AM // 05:38	#8
LicensedLuny Badly Influenced Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Buying Humps! (No kidding! Check my buy thread) Guild: Hello Kitty Krewe [HKK] Forever!-ish	I'm fairly new to using that thing myself. I have noticed a couple things about it worth knowing if you're using it to buy or sell stuff. 1) It's logging chat lines from Kama AD1 only. Trade lines from other districts and other regions don't seem to be logged at all. 2) It's not logging 24/7. I've found the best way to get a feel for when it's watching is to search for something that shows up frequently in trade ads, like "ecto" If the most recent trade ad containing "ecto" is a few hours old, then whatever is supposed to be in there reading lines is not currently active. It seems to be using GMT timezone. 3) Like a lot of web applications, it has trouble with apostrophes. If you're searching for info on "Bob's Staff," you're better off typing in "Bob Staff" That's my two ... er, three cents. I didn't write the program, and I don't work for ANet. Therefore, I can't speak to its legitimacy. Cheers, Luny

Jan 09, 2011, 07:28 AM // 07:28	#9
Lord Dagon Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Inside the Oblivion Gate Guild: The Imperial Guards of Istan[TIGE] Profession: E/Me	yes its legit. its how i found my el beetle juice tonic and my el sisniter tonic. so yea.. i think its worthwhile and legit. (those things are a pain in the arse to find without that website... or at least they were till everyone started sellign them to finance HoM...)

Jan 09, 2011, 08:05 AM // 08:05	#10
nuclear_herring Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: New Zealand Guild: Impus Jaenellus (Imp) Profession: R/Mo	I hadn't seen this so I for one am very grateful. Will make it easier to budget for the minis I need for my HoM. 41/50 so far and still going.

Jan 09, 2011, 12:51 PM // 12:51	#13
tasha Auctions Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Guild: Mystic Spiral [MYST]	I can't find anything to back this up but I thought that this was running from someone's client who was running picture analysis on trade chat. HT Gamma was using RAM memory locations to mine character data, but you can extract pictures of text using texmod so maybe its not possible to extract text from RAM in the same manner? At any rate, I use the site a lot and its a really useful tool.