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Old Mar 27, 2012, 11:47 AM // 11:47   #1
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When people say Salvage everything in the beginning.

Since I'm still new to the game, does that mean salvage all the weapons I pick up as well? Say I pick up a Bo Staff, should I salvage it or sell to merchant?

So what I want to know is the salvaged part going to get me more gold in the long run?

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Old Mar 27, 2012, 12:18 PM // 12:18   #2
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I say don't salvage golds. Sell them as unids. If it's a Gold Bo staff, hold off on selling until it has been price checked.

Of course there is always exceptions and bla bla bla, in the end the best you can do is to google each skin until you learn them by heart. Especially if they look a bit cool or special.

The exception for this is:
Focus items (Looking for Forget me Not inscription)
Staves (Lookign for +30 HP or 20% enchanting WRAPPINGS)
Spears (+30, 20% ench, +5 armor)

As those mods are common enough and popular enough to warrant IDing and, salvaging and selling separately. They sell for 8-12k for staff and spear stuff and 25-35k for Forget me Nots. Also look for Attitude not Aptitude inscriptions (20%) and Forget me not 19% (worth around 3k)

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Old Mar 27, 2012, 12:26 PM // 12:26   #3
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I see what your saying, sometimes when Gold's drop and I identify them, it says something about unlocking or learning something in the left hand screen. Those are the mods your talking about right?

I don't dare salvage them, because, I know I won't get anything good out of them.

So your saying when I get a Gold don't ID it but wait to sell it later in the market?

PS what is the auction or players market called in GW's? (Where we sell stuff to other NPC's)
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Old Mar 27, 2012, 12:32 PM // 12:32   #4
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When it comes to deciding what to salvage or not there are many opinions and not a straight forward answer. Some salvage materials are pretty valuable (check the material trader to see wich ones). It is however difficult to no wich thing slavages into what material (yes a sword salvages into iron and a bow into wood, but there is a lot in between not so obvious).

same goes for coloured items. some weapon mods or armour upgrades are pretty rare and can be worth a lot more when salvaged. others however aren't worth the salvage cost. for runes/insignia's you can always check the rune trader. for weapon upgrades its best to check more experienced players.

Going the perfect way is very difficult. Some people do and will state that your wasting money if you don't. My opinion is that it is your game if you want to go through all the hassle of learning it, go ahead. if not, get the basics (recognising the most valuable items) and forget bout the rest. It depends on what makes you happy off course.

edit- I forgot bout the golds. Gold items are worth an nice amount of money when they are un-identified (unid). The reason is that id-ing gold items leads to a title and people are willing to pay bout 700-750 gold for each. However in doing so you might miss valuable weapon upgrades you or one of your heroes might need. beside that you miss your own change on the title (though it's a long one and if you plan on gw2 you won't make it)

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PS what is the auction or players market called in GW's? (Where we sell stuff to other NPC's)
There is no auction house in Guildwars. in most town's you find all the npc's to trade with. If you want to trade with real players. The players made their own marketplace. it is kamadan (first town you enter in nightfall) and traders use American english district (mostly district one, but if that one is full it expand to other districts, just go to one of them and enable the trade chat channel)

There are two?! auction websites that are not officially, but reliable. one of them is on this forum, just click the auction tab on top of this screen. after you win an auction or sell an item you make an appointments in the game to finish the trade.

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Old Mar 27, 2012, 01:05 PM // 13:05   #5
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I see what your saying, sometimes when Gold's drop and I identify them, it says something about unlocking or learning something in the left hand screen. Those are the mods your talking about right?

I don't dare salvage them, because, I know I won't get anything good out of them.

So your saying when I get a Gold don't ID it but wait to sell it later in the market?

PS what is the auction or players market called in GW's? (Where we sell stuff to other NPC's)
Salvaging is pretty complicated because of the many options. You could just salvage into a raw material, which could be either a rare material or a common material, you could salvage the mods, you could sell it as is (if it's a nice gold), sell it to merchant or sell it as unidentified gold, which means you can't identify it. A certain inscription on gold or even purple (dunno if it works the same on blue items) weapons could (talking about Measure for Measure inscription) turn them into almost a stack (250 pieces) of a certain material - let's say u get (as a drop and I'm only talking about inscribable weapons) a gold inscribed chakram (mesmer offhand) - if it has the Measure for Measure inscription or if u upgrade it with that inscription (if u happen to have it already) you could get a stack Dust / Iron or almost a stack; a stack of those 2 materials is worth around 3.5-4k for dust and around 7k for iron I think. On the other hand, let's say u get a spear with the 20% enchant on it - salvaging that mod and sell it (am talking about selling to other players, cause the merchants pay like 25g for it or something like that) could get you somewhere between 3k and even 10k (depends on the player who's interested in buying that). As UNIDS (or unidentified items) they're not worth more than 700g or so. Sometimes u get as drops items that contain runes / insignias - some of them are worth a lot - gold items will always have superior runes (the most expensive one is the rune of superior vigor, which sells for around 20k or so) or survivor insignias (which sell for 850g each) or even minor runes (some are worth more than other - like minor spawning power - that's around 3k, so it would be a nice drop). It would require for you to periodically check the rare material trader / material trader / rune trader to constantly check prices for materials, runes, insignias. Other than that, I would recommend you to use wiki.guildwars.com to check things like inscriptions, weapons or what certain weapons / items salvage into and other things. Hope I helped a bit, welcome to the community and see you in game!

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Old Mar 27, 2012, 01:23 PM // 13:23   #6
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When people say Salvage everything in the beginning.
I don't know who told you that, but I would disagree. I would say that, generally speaking you should only salvage the things that will give you materials you need to craft armor. In a broader sense, you could salvage stuff for all common materials until you get a stack or two to keep in case you need it later, but that will cost you gold in the long run, so certainly, in the beginning when gold is harder to come by, salvaging everything will just leave you poorer.
Stuff is generally worth more to the merchant as-is rather than as salvage. For example, you might salvage an item worth 50 gold to get a few pieces of wood worth 12 gold, or maybe 24 gold to another player. Some will say you should sell the stacks of materials you get to other players, but even then, at the usual price common materials sell for, the objects you salvaged are usually worth more, and even when they're not, the difference is not worth the bother of standing around in Kamadan.

No gold or purple items should ever be salvaged for materials. They are always worth more in gold than the mats are worth. There are some occasions when you can get rare materials during salvaging, but that usually requires you to salvage many items (with a more expensive Expert kit) to get one rare bit.
(Greens are sort of a toss up - they are worth so little to the merchant, that salvaging them can sometimes be better)
On the other hand, blue items that are "highly salvageable" should always be salvaged. Adding "highly salvageable" inscriptions to items before salvaging them can also be a net profit.

In the long run, imho, it's more cost effective to sell the items you pick up to the merchant (except when selling to other players would get you more, such as selling un-identified golds, or rare skins) and then buy the materials you need from other players or even the materials NPCs, when needed.

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Old Mar 27, 2012, 01:27 PM // 13:27   #7
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I think it might be misunderstood with Identify everything?
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Old Mar 27, 2012, 01:34 PM // 13:34   #8
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When people say Salvage everything in the beginning. So what I want to know is the salvaged part going to get me more gold in the long run?
It's not so much salvaging everything that would make you more gold unless you're able to get enough of such in-demand materials as iron, granite, dust and feathers. It's the process of ID'ing *and* salvaging the right kind of items.

Best thing would be to cross-check on the wiki for an item and see what it will salvage into (both common materials and the rare ones you have a *chance* of salvaging). That's important to note since even with a "measure for measure" inscription on it, the (as an example) Inscribed Chakram in tenderpoison's example *might* give you a lot of iron/dust...but it could also return just a few or even a lot of wood (a common material, not worth so much in stacks).

Generally, unless you're collecting the common materials (cloth, leather, iron, etc) for use in upgraded armor later, most of the white items on the starter island can be sold straight to the merchant. Once you get to the mainland, do start keeping an ID kit, reg salvage kit and an expert salvage kit on you at all times.

The exceptions are of course blue, purple and gold drops. It's completely up to you whether you ID the golds or try to sell them to other players, but the blues, purples and golds will have runes/insignias and weapon mods you can use for yourself and, later, your heroes.

When salvaging something off an id'ed colored drop, you will run the risk of destroying the item you're salvaging it off of. If you have an item with two runes/insigs/etc. that you would like, you will need a perfect salvage kit. Unfortunately, they can only be bought from other players if you don't have the required EotN rank to talk to the NPCs who can craft them for you or don't have silver zaishen coin to use to buy one.

If you salvage a rune and wish to sell it to the NPCs, always ID it as well before doing so. They have a base sell value of 25g, but id'ing increases their value. With some runes, it only increases their value by a couple gold, but superior runes can go up a bit more. Also....always sell runes to the Rune Trader. The merchant will pay you whatever the id'ed price is for the rune but the RT sometimes offers a lot more since that NPC's supply depends on what players sell to it. Again, it depends on what kind of rune you're selling to the RT...some are more in demand than others.

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Old Mar 27, 2012, 02:26 PM // 14:26   #9
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Focus items (Looking for Forget me Not inscription)
Staves (Lookign for +30 HP or 20% enchanting WRAPPINGS)
I just wanted to add that you can check for a +30 mod on an unidentified weapon by just equipping it and seeing if you health jumps up by 30. You can also check for zealous and vampiric mods that way.
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Old Mar 27, 2012, 04:57 PM // 16:57   #10
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- there are also smaller trading outpost for each campaign. As mentioned earlier, if you don't have Nightfall campaign to access Kamadan, you can find limited trading in Kaineng Centre, if you play Factions campaign, or Lion's Arch if you play Prophecies campaign. I'm not sure if the expansion has a similar trading hub.

- there are a lot of information to process, so the best bet is to use GWGuru's auction. It may take some time to recognize good mods, but the auction is a good place to check prices and understand whether the mod is valuable to a player.
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Old Mar 27, 2012, 08:02 PM // 20:02   #11
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It all seems very confusing, but I guess in time, and becoming accustom to the game i'll understand what to do with everything, and look back laughing at mistakes I have made LOL
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Old Mar 27, 2012, 08:41 PM // 20:41   #12
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It all seems very confusing, but I guess in time, and becoming accustom to the game i'll understand what to do with everything, and look back laughing at mistakes I have made LOL
The wiki might shed some light on things? start by reading about salvage and salvage kits and then move on from there.

As a general rule identify everything and salvage only what you need. Merch (sell to a merchant) the rest. Note that you can press some more money out of your junk if you know the market. Some things sell easily (or easy enough) to other players, such as unidentified gold items. 1 unid gold = 700g if I'm not mistaken.
Other stuff sell for a higher price to various traders, specifically the runetrader. If you see any item (usually labeled as "salvagable material") containing a survivor insignia for example, then salvage it and sell it to a rune trader. They are quite expensive. I'd take a look at the trader to see which runes and insignias are most expensive and try to remember them. Most sell for basically nothing, but the ones which cost a bit can give a handy sum.

As you've figured out most of this comes from experience and knowing the market really well. Don't be afraid to ask people in game if you see someone yelling something odd in tradechat.
Try to memorize just a few things first, and then expand from there.
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Old Mar 27, 2012, 09:14 PM // 21:14   #13
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It all seems very confusing, but I guess in time, and becoming accustom to the game i'll understand what to do with everything, and look back laughing at mistakes I have made LOL
I would not stress over it. The best thing you can do is to join a decent guild/alliance so that when it doubt you can just post a quick "Hey guys, is a Eternal Flame Wand worth anything?" Most gold weapons are going to be safe to merch in most explorable areas but it never hurts to ask.

Yes, just identify anything that drops from any monster other than the starter areas (even then, still identify the blues and purples).

There is a lot of money to be made in salvaging runes from armor drops.

As a new player, just build up a nice collection of weapons of all types and professions and also build up a nice collection of weapon mods. Make one of your unused characters carry them. It's just nice to have because you will probably play with different professions over time and obviously your heroes need weapons too.
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Old Mar 27, 2012, 11:28 PM // 23:28   #14
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You are going to hear folks that have played this game a long time tell you to merch just about every single inscribable item (the old "merch food" comment). DO NOT. Plenty of inscribable items can be sold to other players for A LOT more money than simply selling it to a merchant. Those people that tell you that are not living in the reality of people who just started playing playing this game,has to live in. For those folks if youre not dealing with ectos or armbraces at a time its trash because 5k, 10k, 20k, etc arent worth their time. Doesnt mean itsnot worth everyones time. A billionaire would thinknothing of a few thousand dollars and will tell you that. But does that mean that a few thousand dollars isnt worth anything for someone making 20k a year? NO!

Get to know which items (yes even inscribable ones) can be sold for 10, 20, 30 times their merch value and you can be guaranteed to make a good GW living). Not everyone can find BDSs, crystallines, unded zeds, perfect echovald shields, etc...or they wouldnt be worth as much as they do right? To give you some examples...and this is from personal experience having sold hundreds and hundreds of quality stuff in the 5-100k range ... a gold q9 inscribable chaos axe can be sold for upwards of 100k...a inscribable zodiac sword for 50-75k, a inscribable celestial shield for 25-30k, a serrated spear for 15-25k, etc, etc...and i can guarantee you that a merch would NEVER buy any of it from you for more than 300-400 gold!

As far as salvaging goes? Runes and mods aside, I generally only bother salvaging items that are likely to salvage to higher valued materials (like iron, glittering dust, granite, feathers, etc)...never things that salvage to bone, wood, scales, chitin, etc). Just not worth it for me unless im in an explorable area and need space in inventory. Also you should be aware of which drops can be valuable either during special events or as items Nicholas the Traveller will want (every item he could want is already known) as they could be sold for much more than either merch or salvage value.

For runes, inscriptions and mods, as with knowing which weps can sell and make you a big profit and which should be merched, youll need to learn which runes and mods are worth trying to salvage. A lot of examples have been given already but in gengeral youre looking to only salvage perfect mods (ie. +30 fortitude, 20/20 sundering, 10/10 furious for spears, +20 enchant, +5e staffheads, +45 enchant shield handles, etc. The only none perfect mods to bother with are things like +x% vs demon sword handles and then only if its just 1% off max. Runes are a bit easier to figure out since you can check with the rune trader to see what each is worth relatively speaking. Just remember that the price the trade shows is the sell price. The buy price is less. Do not bother with runes that she sells for 100g. Valuable runes include the vigor runes, minor soul reaping, fast casting, spawning, survivor, radiant (sometimes), attunement, etc. Inscriptions not as easy but again pretty much just max only (forget me not, attitude not attitude might be your only exveptions). Most popular/valuable include the following: forget me not (upwards of 30k), attitude not attitude (4-5k), the various +10 armor vs runes (2-4k), i have the power, stength and honor, hearth and hearty, etc all of which go for anywhere between 500g-2k.

In terms of selling your items (including the actual gold items...remember screw the merch food everything except for super high end stuff suggestions for now) you pretty much have 2 options. Option 1 is to head to Kamadan and try to sell it there (useful if you have stuff that is easy to sell and assuming you arent asking for top end value). Option 2 is to use guru (you can either sell it in a single thread on the Sell board here or list each item individually in an auction)...both of which are good ways to sell those req9 inscribables (since you dont have to spend time in Kamadan trying to sell things).

Ultimately and bottom line is learning how much everything is worth. Power traders, guys that make boatloads relatively quickly, are anle to do what they do because they know values and can see or get themselves great deals (buying low and reselling high). They can tell when someone has a WTS of a q10 restoration bone dragon staff for 30e that you pounce on it because you know you can turn riht around and sell it for twice that (thats 30e or approxinately 240k in maybe 30 minutes tops. Or they can offer someone that doesnt know the real value of a near perfect dual mod echovald shield 10e and turn around and flip it for 100e (for a profit of, well, a lot lets just say lol). Without knowing value theyd be just pissing in the dark.

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Old Mar 27, 2012, 11:36 PM // 23:36   #15
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For me when i'm low on money I don't salvage anything under 70g. People may think 70g isn't much but that's just my way. I also don't ID the white items I normally salvage them. I do ID all blue, purple and gold. And those that are 70g+ I sell to the merchant. The others I salvage for materials. If I get an armor piece that has runes I go to the rune trader to see how much they are selling for and salvage that if I can and if it's worth it. I think it's mainly up to you. You'll get all different ideas as you can tell already.

I do agree with Dar Drakor...I try not to salvage the items that salvage into scales or chitin wood unless I need the space in inventory because I'm farming. bone can be worth the cost because it is used in consummables.

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Old Mar 28, 2012, 01:14 AM // 01:14   #16
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I;d say salvage everything except for golds, blues, and purples (unless they have highly slavagable mod on them b/c you get so many mats off it)

If you do this for a while then when you want to buy armor you'll find that you have your sotrage full of materials and maybe even 1 or 2 panels more.

I;m happy to say I;ve only bought common mats once.
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Old Mar 28, 2012, 01:35 AM // 01:35   #17
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Did not read it all, but generally you must research what items salvage into and the value of that material.

It's Item Trade value/use vs Merch Value vs Salvaged mats value.

Get the drop. ID it. OS/tryian/inherent items could have value depending on mods and skin. Any weapon r9 OS/tyrian 15^50, 15% -1 health, or +5e is worth something. From a lot to not worth your time selling maybe. PC it if not sure.

Inscribables are generally merched or salvaged unless it's a valuable skin or you can use it. Inscribable stuff only has skin value since all mods can be changed. BUT all mods have their own value. So research that too.

An inscribable r8 15-22 Sword will salvage into a bunch of iron, but is worth a lot more to people who collect/use them.

A gold staff that has junk mods and skin is worth say 400 gold or will salvage into 40 wood planks. Since wood is maybe 4 gold each it's better to sell to merchant than to salvage for wood.

Common junk items like a Tyrian r12 falcion 15%enchanted 300 gold value is auto merch or salvage for iron when prices aren't low.
With iron at 5k+ a stack it's well worth salvaging all items that contain iron into iron.
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