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Old May 06, 2008, 08:53 PM // 20:53   #1
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Question Shiro and the Emporer

I have a question, although it has probably been asked before. Did the Emporer really intend to kill Shiro (he did depart from custom at the Harvest Temple) or was the old fortune teller an agent in a plot to kill the Emporer? Or are we left to guess?
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Old May 06, 2008, 09:07 PM // 21:07   #2
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If you pick up the quest "Bad Fortune" from the Nightfall campaign you learn
about what the fortune teller really was. The links provided have spoilers, so go ahead and take a peek for yourself:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Fortune_Teller
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Bad_Fortune
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Old May 06, 2008, 09:22 PM // 21:22   #3
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No he did not
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Old May 06, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46   #4
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No, the emperor had no such plans. The Fortune Teller was a demon in human form sent by Abaddon to corrupt Shiro and make Shiro want to kill the emperor. If Shiro did so, (which he obviously did) his soul would be condemned to the Realm of Torment, where he was to become one of Abaddon's generals. All part of Abaddon's master plan.
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Old May 06, 2008, 10:03 PM // 22:03   #5
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Thanks guys! I've been wondering about that for a long time.
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Old May 07, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24   #6
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It is proven that the fortune teller was a demon, and that it was corrupting Shiro. However, unless I have not dug far enough into the lore, it never actually said the emperor did not have plans to kill Shiro. Although unlikely, there is a chance that he did *for whatever reason* and if so, the fortune teller just used that to help corrupt Shiro.

It is unproven wether or not the emperor had such plans, it is just proven that the fortune teller was a demon, so it is a good chance that such plans did not exist, but as I said, there is still a possibility for those plans to exist.
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Old May 08, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49   #7
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I wonder why he would allow both his retinue and his bodyguard to enter the temple... If he had left them out like he originally planned to, then maybe Shiro wouldnt have gone mad and killed him and the Jade Wind would never have happened.

And also, why did the Guard look so surprised? Remember? The Emperor actually went back on his previous orders at the last second.

Its clear that the Demonic Fortune Teller manipulated Shiro into killing The Emperor (especially at the moment of truth), but could it not be possible that it, or another demon, also slightly touched the Emperor's mind and made him change his plans about the Harvest Ceremony?

Or maybe it -or yet another demon- took the Emperor's appearance when ''he'' actually gave the orders about NOT letting his retinue and bodyguard enter (or maybe thats just tradition).


So many unanswered questions about a game who's plot seemed to be the worst of all GW franchise at first glance...
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Old May 09, 2008, 09:34 AM // 09:34   #8
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It still is. It's just that it had some respectable moments.
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Old May 09, 2008, 11:01 AM // 11:01   #9
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Well, seeing as Factions is heavily based on the historical Chineese culture it wouldnt surprizer me if the Emperor actually did haev plans to kill Shiro.

It has happened many times in history where Emperors have had their top generals killed because often enough it has happened that top generals became Emperors by killing their predecesors.

But following the storyline there is no direct indication of any such plans.
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Old May 09, 2008, 12:40 PM // 12:40   #10
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there isnt an indication of such plan but than why did the emperor change his plans on the last second?
personally I think the demonic fortune teller was just telling him the truth, maybe something else influenced the emperor to change his mind, maybe not. but it does smell badly...
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Old May 19, 2008, 11:13 PM // 23:13   #11
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I've always pitied Shiro's fate...he's so awesome but was manipulated into being a big bad villain :P
As answered before, the emperor never intended to kill him... *sigh*
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Old Jun 06, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56   #12
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When the Emperor says " there has been a change of plans", it sounds so evil u nearly wait for the wicked laughter...
but seriously... Guess the emperor was quite aware of the disturbance in the spiritworld (which might be coused by a demonic fortune teller entering the material planes) and suspected some kind of threat from it. That might be the reason he let his retinue (all ritualists) with him. Also having a famed champion of blades as the closest personal bodyguard sounds safe enough, so what could go wrong? He let Shiro into the temple too. I doupt he would have mourned for his bodyguard should he fall in battle while the ritualists bind the 'threat' the emperor was aware of...
thats my theory
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