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Lews · Sep 09, 2005, 06:20 AM // 06:20

Not playing with a mesmer is like having only one testicle. If you are a guy.

I am aloud to say that, right?

cagan · Sep 09, 2005, 06:35 AM // 06:35

One reason you might find a lack mesmers late game, when the knowledgable really want them, is because of the flack we put up with earlier in the game.

*We* know we are useful, and sure, its pretty easy to just take henchies with a mesmer and do every mission up till the desert with absolute ease, but i for one, generally prefer human company.

But if people won't happily play with us up until the very end game ... what incentive is there to get there?

Of course, on a more positive note, this will weed the less interested mesmers out early, and the few you do currently meet late game probably know there stuff.

People really need to stop answering the question of "gee, why was that battle so easy?" with "it must be because my warrior skillz are awesome" ... Yes .. the enemy casters didn't heal the warriors or throw meteors at you because you are awesome, thats exactly it. </sarcasm>

coolsti · Sep 09, 2005, 06:54 AM // 06:54

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Originally Posted by lg5000

I sorta like the fact that mesmers look like they're doing nothing, it suits them (me)

Then you must really be doing nothing as a mesmer! In battle, my mesmer looks incredibly active! Because of fast casting and energy tap, my mesmer is almost constantly casting spells, and doing a 360 degree spin around each time when doing this. And when not casting spells, my mesmer is attacking with a gold staff that I found a long time back.

thejynxed · Sep 09, 2005, 06:57 AM // 06:57

I'd rather have a Mesmer than a Monk in my party anyday. Same with Necros and Rangers. I've been in groups with 0 Monks and we kicked serious ass due to having the following party setup: My brother and I as Warriors, 2 Rangers, 1 Necro, 2 Mesmers and 1 Elementalist. Enemy bosses and hex casters dropped like flies. With my brother and I playing meat shields, the Elementalist, Rangers and Mesmers just devestated the enemy, while the Necro (death necro) just kept raising minions from the corpses.

BTW, the necro ability to summon minions is SERIOUSLY undervalued in PVE.

Edge Martinez · Sep 09, 2005, 06:59 AM // 06:59

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Originally Posted by Lews

I am aloud to say that, right?

If you were to say it... then yes, it would be aloud.

Frankly, I have no problems getting in a PvE group with my Mesmer. This is mostly due to the fact that I join sh- er... crappy groups and hope for the best. You almost have to when faced with the holy MEW Trinity (Monk, Ele, Warrior). A competent mesmer can make up for shortcomings better than any other class, except maybe the monk. The good thing, like others have said, is that every once in awhile there will be a decent group who knows what a mesmer can do and will ask you to join.

borkbork · Sep 09, 2005, 07:04 AM // 07:04

I don't know.. I decided to zone into Deldrimor War Camp d1 just right now.

And instant invite (on my mesmer.)

Maybe everyone in your district was sleeping.

Zebes · Sep 09, 2005, 07:06 AM // 07:06

[quote]How can you judge if a Mesmer is any good i am not doing spike damage[/quote

Bring shatter hex and watch your Mesmer do bigger spikes of damage than your nukers while also ripping a necro hex off your team's warrior. All the Necros in furnace make shatter hex quite useful, even if it is 15 energy, you're doing 100+ area damage and helping an ally.

Louis Ste Colombe · Sep 09, 2005, 07:49 AM // 07:49

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Originally Posted by Zebes

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How can you judge if a Mesmer is any good i am not doing spike damage

Bring shatter hex and watch your Mesmer do bigger spikes of damage than your nukers while also ripping a necro hex off your team's warrior. All the Necros in furnace make shatter hex quite useful, even if it is 15 energy, you're doing 100+ area damage and helping an ally.

That's true much, much earlier in the game. Of my characters, the one with the easiest time in the Crystal Desert is my mesmer: lot of slow caster elementalist and hex caster necro/mesmer. Jades drops like flies. It's also true later... Even after shatter hex scale back, it remains, a very, very good spell.

Of all my characters, it's probably the easiest, but also the one whose skill bars has changed, and still change the most. Mainly to counter better whatever will be on our way.

Louis,

Ashley Twig · Sep 09, 2005, 08:19 AM // 08:19

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Originally Posted by Louis Ste Colombe

Of all my characters, it's probably the easiest, but also the one whose skill bars has changed, and still change the most. Mainly to counter better whatever will be on our way.

That's what I think.
I feel that my mesmer is the stronges char I have right now.

Though my necro (currently at lvl14) show a lot of promise too.
You just don't want too many necros on your team because they will start fighting over the dead bodys eventually.

I never had any real trouble getting into a group.
And if you can't get into a team: start one of your own.

And as a work-around: if you can arrange it: be online at times when hardly anybody is online.
Since the majority wants real people on the team, they won't have a choice but to invite you, even if you are a mesmer.
Worked for me several times.

If the only dumbness of those people is, to not invite you for being a mesmer (because they don't know what you can do), but otherwise they're able to learn, they will see what a great addition a well played mesmer can be.

Hopefully they'll spread the word.

Gerbill · Sep 09, 2005, 09:12 AM // 09:12

I've entered SF with my warrior and mesmer yesterday.. and I have to say.. the mesmer owns a lot harder in there than the warrior.

I usually want a mesmer in my team.. why would you boot a mesmer for a tank.. I mean tanks are easy to find in the first place.. and with a proper mesmer (mainly meaning who's got a good build for the place you go to) you averagly kill the monsters twice as fast. no need for a tank when you kill faster...

coolsti · Sep 09, 2005, 09:18 AM // 09:18

And another important point: what character looks more enticing than a female Mesmer in an enchanter's dress? In particular if it is of the 15K variety?

I mean, who wouldn't want to go out in a party, into heavy battle, with at least one party member looking like she is on her way to a formal dinner date?

lg5000 · Sep 09, 2005, 09:22 AM // 09:22

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Originally Posted by coolsti

Then you must really be doing nothing as a mesmer! In battle, my mesmer looks incredibly active! Because of fast casting and energy tap, my mesmer is almost constantly casting spells, and doing a 360 degree spin around each time when doing this. And when not casting spells, my mesmer is attacking with a gold staff that I found a long time back.

That could be.. or the fact that fast casting is sitting reasonably high and most of my skill bar is domination orientated, means not so much spinning.. try putting empathy on and see how 'active' they look then, or backfire

Neither one of them spin... he does spin after rezzing someone though

Warskull · Sep 09, 2005, 09:24 AM // 09:24

I have had many instances where the nuker or the monk gets credit for my work as a memser. For example I know furnace can be hex heavy. Thus I echo shatter hex and output a quick 250 damage. Toss in a clumisness or two and then the dwarves are dead. Then the elementalists meteor shower starts hitting where the dwarves used to be and he is lauded as an awesome nuker.

Sagius Truthbarron · Sep 09, 2005, 09:24 AM // 09:24

Mesmers don't nuke! They don't heal! They don't tank! They don't cut cookies, slice pizza or dice carrots! What do they do?!

Gerbill · Sep 09, 2005, 09:31 AM // 09:31

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Mesmers don't nuke! They don't heal! They don't tank! They don't cut cookies, slice pizza or dice carrots! What do they do?!

Mesmers shutdown and watch how the opponent can't do a thing while getting killed.

Mr. Matt · Sep 09, 2005, 09:39 AM // 09:39

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Originally Posted by Manderlock

You can keep trying but its true, PvE rarley requires a Mes.

PvE rarely 'requires' anything. You can complete quests and missions without a Monk. So they're not required, but they make life easier. You can complete quests and missions without a Warrior. So they're not required, but they make life easier.

You can complete quests and missions without a Mesmer. So they're not required, but they most certainly do make life easier. The problem isn't that PvE doesn't 'require' Mesmers, the problem is that people don't seem to understand what a Mesmer is for, and what it is good at. As evidenced a couple of posts above.

Tijger · Sep 09, 2005, 09:40 AM // 09:40

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Mesmers don't nuke! They don't heal! They don't tank! They don't cut cookies, slice pizza or dice carrots! What do they do?!

Win?

The problem is all the kiddies who've come from playing CS to GW and think that having a big sword and a monk to heal them is all it takes. Tactics is not just an attribute but dont bother telling them that.

Working as a team? Never heard of it. Balance? Never heard of it. Regen? Wassat? And ofc, when they get themselves killed they bitch and moan at the monk who didnt heal them enough...or the ele/mesmer for not being able to take the damage when he gets mobbed because they run too far ahead etc.

Yes, fair enough, I also see a fair share of 'support' class char's who think they can tank against melee AND hex casters and get themselves killed very fast but they are much more rare then the W/Mo's who rush and/or neglect their support cast.

Morale of the story is this; good, smart teams have room for a mesmer, if they dont then dont bother asking them, they'll get slaughtered usually.

trelloskilos · Sep 09, 2005, 09:55 AM // 09:55

My complaint is the other way round! Some of the areas encourage players to consider having a Mesmer in the group, and others practically REQUIRE it. (RoF: Covetina the Matron boss is one such example - if you don't have a Mes in your group, prepare for a loooooong battle!) - the irony being that few Mesmers can be found at RoF because very few teams take them on at Thunderhead.

The problem I have at times is finding a Mesmer when I want one. The tragic thing is that because they have become such an unpopular class to play, people are giving up on them, and giong in as monks instead. Shame!!

Monks may be able to heal and dish out holy damage, but only a Mesmer can render a tough boss almost completely harmless with just a few clicks on their skillbar.

Moral of this post is: Love thy Mesmer....and if you find one at lvl 20, you can almost certainly guarantee that they're a good player who knows what they're doing.

dreamcrafter · Sep 09, 2005, 09:58 AM // 09:58

The way I see it, Mesmers have no problem finding high level PvE partys compared to us Rangers. I love Sorrow's Furnace, it's a really great update, great level design, great missions, etc..

But try getting accepted into any party as a Ranger. I only read "GLF Tank, Ele, Monk, Invite yrslf" at the war camp.

I spent an hour getting into a group, inviting myself, pm'ing, etc.. Nothing, nada, not even a response, I just get ignored.

They'd rather invite a WaMo with a name like Lord RoxXor or something...

Tijger · Sep 09, 2005, 10:06 AM // 10:06

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Originally Posted by dreamcrafter

They'd rather invite a WaMo with a name like Lord RoxXor or something...

I wouldnt if I didnt have a ranger in my party. Rangers can lure, deal damage, set nasty traps and disrupt casters while being less fragile then most casters. I think the same applies for rangers as for mesmers, only n00b's (not newbies but stoopid ppl) dont build balanced parties. I wont go with 2 rangers, I'd rather have one ranger, one mesmer, two warriors, two monks, and two nukers (Ele or N).