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Frost · Oct 18, 2005, 08:06 AM // 08:06

are u serious u only have one ranger pve char?

Sol_Vie · Oct 18, 2005, 08:15 AM // 08:15

If you want a good place for rangers... try UW. Traps > Aatxes. Too bad they can't have an AI that makes >_<! =o! and such faces.

Mathias Deathwater · Oct 18, 2005, 09:45 PM // 21:45

You know what the awesome thing about being an underappreciated class is? The fact that the teams that DO choose you are much more likely to be good, thinking people instead of a noob team that just wants the obvious team build. I'm a water ele and you would not believe how many teams say "What? You're not a nuker? *kick*" But the teams that realize how useful water eles and other underappreciated builds can be usually know what they're doing.

Sol_Vie · Oct 18, 2005, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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Originally Posted by Mathias Deathwater

You know what the awesome thing about being an underappreciated class is? The fact that the teams that DO choose you are much more likely to be good, thinking people instead of a noob team that just wants the obvious team build. I'm a water ele and you would not believe how many teams say "What? You're not a nuker? *kick*" But the teams that realize how useful water eles and other underappreciated builds can be usually know what they're doing.

Very true. Although not 100% of the time.

evillorderic · Oct 18, 2005, 11:42 PM // 23:42

Actually, I play as a Me/E and I have been having a much easier time finding a group, all I have to advertise is 'Fast casting nuker LFG farming', and usually someone replies. The good thing is, I have enough energy to last me anyway, and I can get off way more AoE spells in a faster time frame with fast casting.

Monica Angelina · Oct 19, 2005, 01:00 AM // 01:00

I don't know why you even want to complain anyway. The drop rates seems to have reduced to the point that my last 3 runs netted exactly zero green item for the entire party.

I'm sure people are starting to lose interest in the whole thing.

Amused Observer · Oct 19, 2005, 02:06 AM // 02:06

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Originally Posted by evillorderic

Actually, I play as a Me/E and I have been having a much easier time finding a group, all I have to advertise is 'Fast casting nuker LFG farming', and usually someone replies. The good thing is, I have enough energy to last me anyway, and I can get off way more AoE spells in a faster time frame with fast casting.

I should try that ad tag sometime. Do you think it'll work in Tombs too?

Guizzy · Oct 19, 2005, 03:02 AM // 03:02

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Originally Posted by Frost

are u serious u only have one ranger pve char?

I only have one Mesmer PvE char.

You see; what drove me to do the PvE portion was the story and the exploration. I don't want to do all the same missions again just so I get a "popular" character to SF.

And I feel many do feel the same. And we should be able to get into groups just as well, considering we are usually much better players than the average Whammo (mesmers, necros and rangers requiring MUCH MUCH MUCH better field awareness than tanks).

Currently, it is not the case because of ignorance. People don't know how useful the mesmer, necro or ranger is in a team. If he sees the enemy life go down, it surely must be because of the Warrior or Ele! Of course! That can't be because the Mesmer took the Monk mob out, because the Ranger spiked him or because the Necro cursed it! Everyone knows all Mesmers, Necros and Rangers do is twiddle their thumbs while the rest kills the monster! It's a matter of public record!

Mathias Deathwater · Oct 19, 2005, 04:34 AM // 04:34

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Originally Posted by Monica Angelina

I don't know why you even want to complain anyway. The drop rates seems to have reduced to the point that my last 3 runs netted exactly zero green item for the entire party.

I'm sure people are starting to lose interest in the whole thing.

About that, I think the drop rates for you have something to do with how many you have gotten. I go to SF with Savio and Unien a lot and I usually get at least one green and they rarely do. They have both told me that the exactly same thing happened for them, so I think that A-net may have set up some kind of anti-long-term-farming code that makes it harder for people to get greens after a long time of farming. Just a thought.

EternalTempest · Oct 19, 2005, 05:55 AM // 05:55

It's simliar to the old 5 man smite team in UW for farming. I've been in one and when built correctly can tear through the mobs... that being said...

I have to admit we had 4 green items drop >< with Final Asstault mission active.

I do agree with OP... I don't want to farm actually, I want to beat those 3 fire djin >< and most of the pugs are farming / 5 member farms from what I've seen.

Sister Rosette · Oct 19, 2005, 05:58 AM // 05:58

Dear OP: Maybe they just didn't want a whiner.

If you get this bitchy when you don't get a group, I'd hate to
see what you do when someone gets the Green Drop you want.

zeuseden · Oct 19, 2005, 05:38 PM // 17:38

ok.. i only got a r/n so far .. everytime i go into a game , i would sick to a character for very very long. and frankly speaking i am only interested in bow user in all mmos i got into. but i am getting sick. btw i am a experienced trapper. but u know ..farming in uw all the time doesnt feed my hunger and curiosity of sorrow funance. well i know... ranger = misfit at terrians like sf.
likewise, ranger is overpowered in uw.
and i got over it. well for me.. this is unbalanced. i rather quit the game.
this is one flaw i find in guild wars. and i really find this fatal. no hard feelings.

edit : this game aint worth the money and time to invest in. 2cents. jus like WoW

Maiyn · Oct 19, 2005, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by knives

Funny how necros aren't wanted in Uw/Fow, but are in Sorrows.
Funny how rangers are wanted in Uw/Fow, but aren't in Sorrows.

Thats what we call equilibrium.

Yeah, and to be honest... farming UW with rangers MUST be more profitable or at least AS profitable as hunting green items.

People, listen.. this is why if you want to be in farm groups.. you need well developed pve characters that are able to switch from one element to another for example with elementalist, from prot to heal, perhaps with some smite for monks, between a damage or stance tank, or between a battery/insane minion necro. As examples.

People are very specific about their builds for a reason. A ward elementalist is probably going to be more useful in an UW build.. running support. The function of elementalists in small groups is to deal the massive damage while the monks protect and heal, and the warrior stands up front keeping the elements collected.

Specific needs. It's not a personal slight, it's the fact that some things work in some situations and others just simply don't. A Me/N would be absolutely amazing in these groups. You just need to find a GOOD group, because they will know the value.

A LARGE amount of skills for all your characters is also required. Including elites...

That is my advice....

It's good to have a few "farming characters" because farming requires a lot of diversity :P

kawaii_bat · Oct 19, 2005, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by zeuseden

dude.. when u see a class or 2 fail to fit in a team... common sense will tell u its getting unbalanced. u wanna flame? use some commen sense before u do it.

Bah!

They aren't unbalanced at all!
Doesn't common sense also tell you about popularity and stereotypes?

Necromancers, Rangers and Mesmers are not unbalanced, their capabilities are just not understood by a majority of players who have not played them.
and the population of *said mentioned* players who don't try out these classes is growing because of this stereotype!

People who think that these classes are underpowered and unbalanced (which they aren't) actually just contribute to their unpopularity and the fact that they aren't used.
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There is a lack of awe or encouragement for the accomplishments of Rangers, Necromancer and Mesmers because they also lack *evident and flashy* skills (everyone knows this).

This contributes to the lowering of their popularity greatly.

Doesn't everyone like being flatered for what they do?

entropy · Oct 19, 2005, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Lol the Holy Trinity. Well just take henchies.... And rangers are useful and the classes are balanced decently at moment its just taht other people lack this knowledge. Its a game and a free one at that. People are going to be stupid or asses. LIFE=unfair

infernal · Oct 20, 2005, 12:44 AM // 00:44

I usually don't have this problem. My guild is just a @chat away!

But when they aren't around..
As far as PUGs go, and regarding my own ranger; yeah, I've been burned.
Attempting an infusion run, my ranger was able to start building a group that had a War and a Mo, we were accepted into a larger group and then they kicked me and kept the War and Mo. That sucked!
It DID take a while longer but I finally did find a group and we had a good time.

As far as farming goes, I hate farming and I hate grinding! Haven't really had the need so far, but then I'm not wearing FoW or 15k armor either.

My two cents..
Infernal

monk muffle · Oct 20, 2005, 06:25 AM // 06:25

lol rangers arent very useful in sf plz tell me how they would help
whenver i go on farming trip this is what i do
4 man team i take 2monks,1tank,and 1 nuker,the monks can heal them and another
for 5 man i take 2monks,1 tank,1 nuker and 1 shutdown mes, backfire on them monk bosses and theyre dead in seconds and also interrupt pwns too
so... as u can see mesmers are useful here but... rangers do nuthing t
the end
(if ur so unhappy go to the UW were u belong rangers!)

bizarresk · Oct 20, 2005, 08:31 AM // 08:31

now this was a nice example of stupidity

zeuseden · Oct 20, 2005, 03:05 PM // 15:05

rangers can do alot. its jus that peeps like ya, monk muffle dont know how to use us. we can interupt and as well as dd. we can even soften up the mobs to make them easier to kill. but well guess sf aint a playfield for rangers. or the dev. didnt intend to put rangers in the sf picture:/

Medion · Oct 20, 2005, 04:00 PM // 16:00

I have the same feeling as me being a ranger.

The problem IMO is that ppl actually don`t know what rangers are for. Ppl don`t seem to reallize that a ranger actually can do lots of dmg. (sometimes even more then an ele)

I don`t like farming with henchies, as I like the social aspect of this game, meeting other ppl.
I don`t know where all u ppl shouting 'forming group of non-wanted characters' are, but try come to european districts, as there are too few of them overthere

Eey, I might even try myself to make those groups.