Curse

Vhayr · Nov 28, 2005, 11:51 PM // 23:51

Here's the story.

One of our Guild Members wants to go to the UW to charm a spider, so we scramble together a team of six (five trappers and myself playing my Monk). Anyway, before we even kill the first two Aatxe, one of us has to leave.

That's fine, no worries.

We continue on without any hiccups, that is, until we get to the area with the Tortured Spirits. One of us lags out and disconnects, so there's four of us left. We clear the whole of the area, then get the quest to restore the monuments. The Terrorwebs go down easy, and there has only been one death up to this point. Anyway, the enemy Tortured Spirits start hacking away at the good guys, and we clear the first two groups with no problems, except for the fact that there is now only one friendly Spirit left, and he's getting slaughtered fast. We rush in, trappers trapping and me healing like crazy, trying to keep the three trappers and the Spirit alive. Everything looks like it's going to be okay until another group of Spirits comes in, Illusionary Weaponry tearing us all apart. The last friendly Spirit dies and we auto-fail, two hours wasted and with no spider to show for it.

Now, I get angry at myself when I can't keep people alive, because it's my job and when somebody goes down I feel really guilty. I know that it won't always be perfect, but we were so close to getting the spider and I feel like it's my fault that we didn't, like I could've done better.

Is there something I'm doing wrong? I usually go with this sort of setup when I'm helping trappers:

Full Ascetics set.

Healing: 16 (12+1+3)
Protection: 10 (9+1)
Divine: 10 (9+1)

Healing Breeze
Orison of Healing
Heal Other
Word of Healing
Heal Party
Protective Spirit
Aegis
Rebirth/Restore Life (depends which they ask for)

I use either a Yakslapper or my Wroth's Wand and Wroth's Icon, and if my energy gets low, I replace the Icon with one of the collector offhand pieces (the one that requires Divine Favour) for a quick boost.

Thanks for any advice.

Savio · Nov 28, 2005, 11:56 PM // 23:56

1. I am lost as to which forum I should move it to, so I'm not moving it at the moment.

2. Get the "Escort of Souls" quest after you restore that monument.

Vhayr · Nov 28, 2005, 11:59 PM // 23:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio

1. I am lost as to which forum I should move it to, so I'm not moving it at the moment.

2. Get the "Escort of Souls" quest after you restore that monument.

1. I couldn't think where else to put it, apologies.

2. I'm pretty sure we did that

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Covenant · Nov 29, 2005, 12:19 AM // 00:19

Doesn't seem like ya did anything wrong thou. I think it was just the people who left.

Vhayr · Nov 29, 2005, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by Covenant

Doesn't seem like ya did anything wrong thou. I think it was just the people who left.

I think I'm probably a little bit too obsessive when it comes to this game...anyway, you're probably right, but I don't think my Guildmate was very happy

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Savio · Nov 29, 2005, 12:30 AM // 00:30

I meant don't get the Escort of Souls quest until after you've finished the restoration of the monument there. That means you kill off all the Tortured Souls first before you lead the New Souls to the village. It's much easier that way.

Vhayr · Nov 29, 2005, 12:34 AM // 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio

I meant don't get the Escort of Souls quest until after you've finished the restoration of the monument there. That means you kill off all the Tortured Souls first before you lead the New Souls to the village. It's much easier that way.

Possibly where we went wrong. We usually kill the Tortured Souls after taking the quest, never had a problem before.

VGJustice · Nov 29, 2005, 12:40 AM // 00:40

You know, I feel the same way when I monk. If someone dies, I feel like I failed somehow. Glad to see others think like that.

lishi · Nov 29, 2005, 01:00 AM // 01:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vhayr

Here's the story.

One of our Guild Members wants to go to the UW to charm a spider, so we scramble together a team of six (five trappers and myself playing my Monk). Anyway, before we even kill the first two Aatxe, one of us has to leave.

That's fine, no worries.

We continue on without any hiccups, that is, until we get to the area with the Tortured Spirits. One of us lags out and disconnects, so there's four of us left. We clear the whole of the area, then get the quest to restore the monuments. The Terrorwebs go down easy, and there has only been one death up to this point. Anyway, the enemy Tortured Spirits start hacking away at the good guys, and we clear the first two groups with no problems, except for the fact that there is now only one friendly Spirit left, and he's getting slaughtered fast. We rush in, trappers trapping and me healing like crazy, trying to keep the three trappers and the Spirit alive. Everything looks like it's going to be okay until another group of Spirits comes in, Illusionary Weaponry tearing us all apart. The last friendly Spirit dies and we auto-fail, two hours wasted and with no spider to show for it.

Now, I get angry at myself when I can't keep people alive, because it's my job and when somebody goes down I feel really guilty. I know that it won't always be perfect, but we were so close to getting the spider and I feel like it's my fault that we didn't, like I could've done better.

Is there something I'm doing wrong? I usually go with this sort of setup when I'm helping trappers:

Full Ascetics set.

Healing: 16 (12+1+3)
Protection: 10 (9+1)
Divine: 10 (9+1)

Healing Breeze
Orison of Healing
Heal Other
Word of Healing
Heal Party
Protective Spirit
Aegis
Rebirth/Restore Life (depends which they ask for)

I use either a Yakslapper or my Wroth's Wand and Wroth's Icon, and if my energy gets low, I replace the Icon with one of the collector offhand pieces (the one that requires Divine Favour) for a quick boost.

Thanks for any advice.

probably people dead becouse you run off of mana.

ever monk should take some way to regain lost energy, there are a lot of way to do that , just check the skill list of your secondary.

super dooper · Nov 29, 2005, 02:08 AM // 02:08

I think there's a bit of confusion between Savio and Vhayr. I believe one of you is talking about Escort of Souls, and the other is talking about Wrathful Spirits. :P

Savio · Nov 29, 2005, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Actually, we're talking about both. Vhayr's problem is he tries to do both at once and the IW spirits rip apart the New Souls. Solution? Do them separately.

Divinus Stella · Nov 29, 2005, 02:43 AM // 02:43

You need energy management in that build, thats where 90% of pve monks lose out, i use mo/me for energy, skills like insp hex and channeling do well in most areas, although i do get probs in UW, you have to adjust round it.
In areas where mesmer skills wont cut it i use P&H, aswel as divine spirit, with an enchanting mod on the yakslapper you get more value from the skills.

Looks like you wanna be a prot monk and healer from that build, id dump aegis in favour of seed, kiss instead of heal other, and healing touch instead of breeze as atm you got way too many high energy skills with no way of recovering.
Drop heal party and word if you wanna add in P&H + DS, or if you wanna try channeling and insp hex drop heal party and dwaynas.

And lower prot to 3, then boost healing and DF up to max, prot spirit is a must in UW, otherwise attaxes will just trample you, but theres no need for 10 prot when your only using that one spell in the early stages of UW.

super dooper · Nov 29, 2005, 06:50 AM // 06:50

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Originally Posted by Savio

Actually, we're talking about both. Vhayr's problem is he tries to do both at once and the IW spirits rip apart the New Souls. Solution? Do them separately.

Are you sure? From what I've picked up he's talking about the good souls that are already there (they spawn after killing the Grasping Darkness in the village, nothing to do with Escort of Souls), and when you accept Wrathful Spirits the Tortured Souls [enemies] attack them, and unless you can save at least one of them, you fail the quest. lol - I don't wanna argue over it, just that I was (still am) confused as to which was being referred to.

also, to add something partially useful to the thread, it seems to me like your points are spread a bit too much (or maybe not your points, but the skills you chose from each of those - Aegis: 15 energy, Heal Party: 15 energy)

unless you insist on using WoH, then I would go secondary necro with 10 in blood instead of protection to get Offering of Blood at ~16 energy a pop, and then use blood skill recharge items as they're more useful than protection or healing ones are.

so I guess I would dump Healing Breeze in favor of Dwayna's Kiss, WoH for OoB, and Aegis for Healing Touch.

then again, you could not want to bother switching secondary and fancy WoH, in which case I would go mesmer secondary for something like Energy Tap/Channeling. (Inspired Hex isn't really useful if the only enemies you'll be facing getting to the spider are Tortured Spirits, Terrorwebs, Grasping Darkness, and Aatxe, none of which use hexes. UNLESS you indeed are excepting the Escort of Souls quest (where Mindblades will be a plenty..))

but all in all I think that just switching out more expensive (and in my opinion less effective (Healing Breeze)) skills, will help with a few problems you may (or may not) be having.

Mahanaxar · Nov 29, 2005, 10:01 AM // 10:01

You don't have to complete the Escort of Souls quest to get the spider anyway.
Just restore-->wrathful spirits.

EF2NYD · Nov 29, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53

Ever try healing the spirits?

fiery · Nov 29, 2005, 02:57 PM // 14:57

bring HS (healing Spring) spike and blah blah blah, bring a skill to remove illusionary weaponary.

Yichi · Nov 29, 2005, 04:29 PM // 16:29

ok there are a few things i see lacking in that monk build.

I would sub either healing breeze or heal party for healing seed. cast it on the spitits as when they take dmg, they are getting healed as well. works wonders on teammates.

Also you have no energy management. If youre mo/n take offering of blood. if youre mo/me take channeling or inspired hex or energy tap to get back some energy.

The Yakslapper is goo, but its use in that build only really works on 2 skills. I would go with the wroths wand and the 20/20 collectors healing ank. this covers your recharge on prot spells like the yakslapper, and also on your healing spells.

Have one of the rangers take healing spring. it will help you do your job as a monk better.

Vhayr · Nov 29, 2005, 08:54 PM // 20:54

super dooper: Yes, you're right, I checked. We don't even take the Escort of Souls quest, just Restore the monuments and Wrathful Spirits.

EF2NYD: I said in my original post that I was healing the Spirit like crazy. Plus I always heal any NPC getting attacked, regardless of who it is (don't ask me why).

MistressYichi + super dooper: I shall probably switch my secondary to Necromancer, since having OoB would probably be quite useful.

Thanks to everyone who posted.

Azn D · Dec 01, 2005, 01:45 PM // 13:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio

1. I am lost as to which forum I should move it to, so I'm not moving it at the moment.

And your a mod? j/k

Healing Breeze
Orison of Healing
Heal Other
Word of Healing
Heal Party
Protective Spirit
Aegis
Rebirth/Restore Life (depends which they ask for)

Healing seed might help, heal party doesn't heal the spirits too...does it? Either way you can focus your healing on one little group of spirits. Not all of them have to live lol. Way do you think they are in hell anyway?