Curse

QuixotesGhost · Dec 19, 2005, 09:53 PM // 21:53

Every Group I get into nowadays all want to do it (despite my protests). I think the last time I got a bookless FoW group was... about a week and a half ago.

I'm curious, Do Fissure PuGs that don't do book trick still exist? How common are they? And how the hell do you convince your group not to do it?

EF2NYD · Dec 19, 2005, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Think before the AoE nerf, but my guild did a few runs after trying out stuff.

Xeno Breaker · Dec 19, 2005, 10:24 PM // 22:24

Lets see the last time i did fow with out Book was 4 weeks after the game was released. I didnt know about the book yet. Besides people prefer the book because they have a controled invironment. And are able to do the quests that would be a bit harder for them.

dansamy · Dec 19, 2005, 10:32 PM // 22:32

The book trick makes a Forgemaster trip easy and almost guaranteed. If you've worked and saved to get FoW armor, you don't want to have to get 2, 3 or 4 groups to try to finally get there. You don't want anything to go wrong on your trip to the Forgemaster.

immolatus · Dec 19, 2005, 10:45 PM // 22:45

I might be ignorant, but what the heckis Book trick?

fintor · Dec 19, 2005, 11:06 PM // 23:06

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Originally Posted by immolatus

I might be ignorant, but what the heckis Book trick?

i would like to know also, i have never even heard of this book trick.

Racthoh · Dec 19, 2005, 11:10 PM // 23:10

It's the cowards way for warriors who don't know how to control aggro. Grab an item (book, gear, torch, etc...) and everything will pretty much attacked the wielder.

Anyway, I'll pretty much drop from any group that does it now. First few times it was fun, then I realized I'd rather have my shield out since controlling aggro isn't that tough.

Splatter Mcnasty · Dec 19, 2005, 11:13 PM // 23:13

book trick has got to be THE most boring way for a warrior to play...all you do is stand there holding the book and activate your various stances/heals in order to stay alive while everyone else does the killing.

Dumb

I go into FoW very often with my guild as the only tank. I run out way ahead and take all the aggro and fight back using various skills. I dont use a single stance or the book, AND i can hold all the aggro just fine.

My guild typically goes down with 2 monks, 5 rangers, and 1 tank.

The rangers are all set up for barrage with increased attack speed and interrupts, and yes, they do most of the killing, but i get to play instead of just stand there.

by the way, that group setup kills faster than any other group i have ever been in.

Book trick = very overrated

Sk8tborderx · Dec 19, 2005, 11:15 PM // 23:15

I personally stopped using the book trick about a month ago. I have found that groups can clear much faster without it because they have 1 more person doing damage. I have found that most people who use the book trick do so because they don't have enough experience in FoW. Groups that use the book trick almost always have 2 warriors, I only take 1 which is myself. More than 1 warrior is NEVER needed, take a mesmer or barrage/interupt ranger with you. I also think most groups use it because there are a TON of really bad players out there and it is the only way to ensure you can get a good run. I have made a friends list of a lot of people who are good and experienced in FoW, now I never have to make a PUG and know that I will clear at least 3/4 of the whole area even if 3 people leave. If you have teamspeak I would recommend you get into a group or form a group that requires it because you will see much more success in FoW that way.

saphir · Dec 20, 2005, 12:37 PM // 12:37

augh, i can tell you as a monk the book is as boring as hell
doesn't seem to be a group that does fow w/o it. it's tunnel vision - book trick, go to forgemaster, pick up shards. /yawn

i even ask every time, is there anyone getting armor, is there any pt in going to the crafter? laughs all around, no one is getting armor. well, how about the live forest? drops are nice there. too hard! they cry. but you've got the damned book! i've kept you all alive even before you got it....

i don't go to fow that often anymore as it's so boring, but i've realized 99% of the fow groups are worse than bad. they would last about 2 sec in uw, which is probably why it's so impossible to find a uw group these days.

The Yoink · Dec 20, 2005, 01:11 PM // 13:11

booo the book trick, kinda takes the fun and intrigue out of it, doesn't it?
And a monk (such as myself) will grow lazy and spoiled with too much of that sort of nonsense....

Yichi · Dec 20, 2005, 03:09 PM // 15:09

We normally do the book trick when we have someone that needs to get to the crafter in the group, but if we dont, then its all out open fun. Besides with our guilds new fissure build for fissure only, even with using the book trick, any group of mobs only takes a very short time to kill anyway.

masterbeef · Dec 20, 2005, 07:20 PM // 19:20

Personally whenever my guild/friends go down or I make a pug I never use the book for crafter/clearing. As a tank and a support caster i detest the book. Its no fun just standing there spamming stances the whole time. Ok, it was fun the first time but not anymore.

Not to mention the book takes longer to get and sometimes the rangers and monks can hurt a team if they fail to drag away.

Sergio Leone · Dec 20, 2005, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Eh isn't the book trick exactly what the stance warriors in SF are doing? So I mean the PUGs who do use the book are probably consisting of, as Racthoh said, cowards OR warriors who don't mind being the meat shield.

BBoy_Manchild · Dec 20, 2005, 11:57 PM // 23:57

you elitests can claim to be so ub3r 1337 can claim you dont use the book trick, or hate it, bunch of hypocrites
efficiency is what us players that dont have all day to do a run are all about, long live the book trick

SammyW · Dec 21, 2005, 12:05 AM // 00:05

I've never actually used the book trick before, and until I saw this thread I didn't even know it was there.. learn something new everyday I suppose, eh?

Apple · Dec 21, 2005, 12:07 AM // 00:07

I unashamedly use the book trick. I say this without shame because i never get any good items other than chests (my current total - 3 chests opened, 3 gold req 8 or 9 chaos axes

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Racthoh · Dec 21, 2005, 12:08 AM // 00:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBoy_Manchild

you elitests can claim to be so ub3r 1337 can claim you dont use the book trick, or hate it, bunch of hypocrites
efficiency is what us players that dont have all day to do a run are all about, long live the book trick

Having a warrior who knows how to control aggro is exactly the same as using the book trick. Just he gets to use his shield and have more defense.

How is that hypocritical exactly?

Sk8tborderx · Dec 21, 2005, 12:12 AM // 00:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBoy_Manchild

you elitests can claim to be so ub3r 1337 can claim you dont use the book trick, or hate it, bunch of hypocrites
efficiency is what us players that dont have all day to do a run are all about, long live the book trick

Well if u want to go for efficiency and a shorter time to clear then you woouldnt use the book trick... I have done well over 500 runs and have proven to many people that it is about 2 times faster to clear without it.

QuixotesGhost · Dec 21, 2005, 04:54 AM // 04:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBoy_Manchild

you elitests can claim to be so ub3r 1337 can claim you dont use the book trick, or hate it, bunch of hypocrites
efficiency is what us players that dont have all day to do a run are all about, long live the book trick

Personally, in PvE, I like to try to push my builds to thier limits. That's why I play. My payoff isn't a shard or ecto drop... it's when my group accidentaly aggros three groups, and pulls through without a single death.

(Predicts snarky "OMFG Noob! PvE is so easy!" comment in the next 5 posts.)