Curse

Avarre · Jun 01, 2006, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

I think it was 23 hours after preorder start that someone was selling end game weapons (shiros blades) so you can do alot in 5 day's.

Something like that, the very first kill was done by a N (afaik) and the thread is in screenshots. It was around 1 day into the preorder... and they used hench in most areas

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Originally Posted by domonx

um...obviously you missed alot...cuz the point of this is to say that you HAVE NOT did all that in 5 days.

And like I mentioned earlier in the thread, I took my time through the game and didn't rush it. I would not doubt it possible if someone wished to.

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um...once again...all the screen proves is that
1. you got to the end.
2. you beat it and gets the item screen up(with henchies or not, i don't know) like i said above...you can easily grab the henchies afterward and leave the item screen there.

So he visibly got to the end, then you still deny he finished it? There's a time and a place to hold a point, but you've lost this one and your struggling isn't winning you any favor.

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um...no...thats not what iam saying...but thanks again for the insult. all iam saying is that to win. you don't need skill or commonsense. thats all.

No, what you said is you didn't need skill if your team was skilled. But those people are skilled, and have to have gotten it. Hence creating the circular logic that eradicates your sweeping statement.

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we were talking about r/mo....but yead...r/n does alot of BS things since factions...lol

Celestial Stance
Punishing Shot
Savage Shot
Throw Dirt
Judge's Insight
Dust Trap
Dual Shot
Penetrating shot

Shoot him. Shoot more. Throwdirt often and celetial stance when his battle scars is up, also save 1 for when he tries Odds.

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so what your saying is that your mesmer can do it so your ranger should too? good logic

Extremely good, considering the basis of your nonsensical argument is that there isnt enough damage. And ranger dps > mesmer dps, generally.

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oh..i agree..beating the game in a day is possible...theres not that much mission..but capping all the new skills, and explore the map 93some percent?

canthan exploring is fairly easy, there seems to be less area. So getting to 93 takes 1-2 more days, and the capping is 1-2 more days.

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Originally Posted by Jestah

Hate to sound like a broken record but when did this become a thread about henches? Having a 10 post personal argument to prove an off topic point doesn't belong here. I can see the irony of making an off-topic post pointing out other peoples off-topic posts but seriously, you can't seem to post anything around here without having it polluted by ego driven off topic rubbish.

True.

Best thread ever on this forum btw.

Ate of DK · Jun 01, 2006, 04:43 AM // 04:43

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Originally Posted by domonx

oh..i agree..beating the game in a day is possible...theres not that much mission..but capping all the new skills, and explore the map 93some percent?

You forget to mention that I wrote: In 5 days!

domonx · Jun 01, 2006, 04:43 AM // 04:43

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Originally Posted by Jestah

Hate to sound like a broken record but when did this become a thread about henches? Having a 10 post personal argument to prove an off topic point doesn't belong here. I can see the irony of making an off-topic post pointing out other peoples off-topic posts but seriously, you can't seem to post anything around here without having it polluted by ego driven off topic rubbish.

it wasnt about henchies..its about how much is humanly possible in 5 days.

"You forget to mention that I wrote: In 5 days!"
yead i was under the impression that he had read your post.

"So he visibly got to the end, then you still deny he finished it? There's a time and a place to hold a point, but you've lost this one and your struggling isn't winning you any favor."
you at the timer bar won't you friend?

"No, what you said is you didn't need skill if your team was skilled. But those people are skilled, and have to have gotten it. Hence creating the circular logic that eradicates your sweeping statement."
yes...you don't need skill if your team is skill..thats true. there is no circular logic because no one ever said that all the ppl who are r9+got it by leeching. no one. your just making that agrument up by yourself. re read the post...no one has ever said that all ranked ppl leech.

"Extremely good, considering the basis of your nonsensical argument is that there isnt enough damage. And ranger dps > mesmer dps, generally."
if only dps determines if you can kill something or not. but it doesn't. and the ranger dps>mesmer dps can be agrue either way.

"Best thread ever on this forum btw."
don't know...i have seen better...but since your the internet expert, i'll take your word for it

Stockholm · Jun 01, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44

Beat the game on 1 side and you have about 60% of the map, then do the other side and you have another 30%, then head down to Amatz Basin and get 6 or 7 % not very hard, at all. You just don't know what you are talking about. 1 alliance farmed enough faction in 24 hours to take and hold Cavalon(Black Blades).

Rok · Jun 01, 2006, 04:51 AM // 04:51

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Originally Posted by domonx

lol...this is getting interesting...

"R/mo ranger interrupts. Where is the problem? Nothing to do with being psychic, you can tell AROUND when he will begin odds and fire off some shots."

i can tell around when ppl use alot of skills..but that doesn't mean i can interupt it everytime. but the reason why rangers can't beat shiro is cuz of the dmg factor.

"Because to win, you have to know a few things. And from that you derive some basic sense. If you don't understand that, then you don't have that sense."

no...to win in an hoh team, all you need a really good team, and then just T+space. GW is a team base game....if you have enough friends that are good...you can win in hoh maps easily with just t+space. has nothing to do with common sense. heck...ppl win 1-2 map with a team full of henchies. theres alot more factor to win then just basic sense.

"Not that hard to get all that in 5 days. In that time I had finished factions with about 175 (got the rest shortly after) caps, I don't explore as much but once I did, I went from 59% (finishing game) to 90% in a day.

Raisu : watch aggro well, interrupt starbursts
Eternal : had 6 singers left, didn't break a sweat
Gyala : like was said, use smoke or clear before
Unwaking : pull away from the dragon and kill afflicted first"

raisu: 3-5 guy casting starbursts...1you...gl. someone probaly did it before.
eternal: don't now why you put that on...no one said it was hard
gyala: 1you, 3 canister, mobs comming all over the place...gl with that. you can't clear before cuz about 90% of them spawn when turtle gets there. thats what those tele are for....
unwaking: never said it was hard...don't know why you put that there.

"Nope. Just means they've played alot (a hint that maybe they have a few skills!)."
not a reason...theres a limit on how much you can complete in 5 days. thats like saying i got my phd in a month...i just study alot.

"Domonx, just because you are, in essence, incapable of achieving what could be considered the 'basic' level of PvE, does not mean others cannot."
thanks for the insult...apreciate it. can i have more pls?

"Yes, let people believe what they want. I don't see the problem with what I said cause I know its true."
wow..you got raisu with henchies. and you kill all those before the timers out?. with a ranger celestrial skill...it takes longer to kill those then normal. and the item after mission screen can be taken after you kick party and invite henchies. but i'll take your word for it...good job

and it doesn't prove the most important point...you did all that in 5 days.

Lmao @ Domonx

I've done Raisu with 4 chars so far - 3 used hench, only my monk could get a group - my Assassin, Ranger, and Warrior LFG for a min then just grabbed hench and went in.

And Shiro is so easy an unranked n00b can beat him just spamming skills. Lmao.

Ate of DK · Jun 01, 2006, 04:54 AM // 04:54

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

Beat the game on 1 side and you have about 60% of the map, then do the other side and you have another 30%, then head down to Amatz Basin and get 6 or 7 % not very hard, at all. You just don't know what you are talking about. 1 alliance farmed enough faction in 24 hours to take and hold Cavalon(Black Blades).

Exactly. In the area's after Gayla and Grove it took me about 2 hours on each map to clear them and capture all skills. Well, this looks like a lot of time but plz keep in mind that I said that I had some time off and I really played a lot. 10 hours a day maybe, I did nothing else, I had vacation and Factions was just out...

domonx · Jun 01, 2006, 05:04 AM // 05:04

ok..now we are getting to the exact hours...which is the point btw.

um..so all the area after eternal grove and gyala will cost you 12 hours total. you have 38 hours left to clear out all the other area in the game, did all the missions, cap all the other skills.

oh yead..i forgot...you have to redo most areas inorder to get the other profession cuz you have to change your secondary.

Ate of DK · Jun 01, 2006, 05:21 AM // 05:21

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Originally Posted by domonx

ok..now we are getting to the exact hours...which is the point btw.

*Sigh* Nevermind, everything you try to find a reply too. I haven't said about anything that its not possible, only defending my point here that is thought to be impossible.
Redo area's indeed, thats why it took 2 hours, or are you that slow when you play? *sigh*
Here's another one that I just did with my monk: http://i72.imagethrust.com/images/eR...ai-temple.html

You don't have a clue. I'll help you out to let you see that you are talking wrong here. To PWN your reply about the screenshots! (see posts above for screens)

Your words were:
I replaced all my real players that joined me for NPC's, thats what you mentioned before. Do you know why I said to look at the screens again? Well here is the answer:

Look at the second screen:
Can you point me someone that has the itemslist ON SCREEN that says he can still take items.
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ON SCREEN that he just entered the next area! Which is there for about 5sec.
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How you mention: kicks all his fellowplayers and invites henchies IN these 5 seconds.
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and also the same order as before AND then erase all players from sight?! xD

GG, thank you. My point: you don't know things are possible like this and ignore it by FINDING arguments. So you also don't believe in ppls ability to accomplish what I did.

Before you think of this:
Note: when you walk out and enter again... the items won't be available anymore. GG

domonx · Jun 01, 2006, 05:56 AM // 05:56

"Redo area's indeed, thats why it took 2 hours, or are you that slow when you play?"
ok...so you clear area kill everything. and then run for skills 6 more times in 2 hours. ok...now we are clear...so still 38 hours left.

and about you doing raisu...reread my post pls...i said that i take your word for it..but theres a way to fake it. what comes to mind is that you leave your group, another player have your exact order henchies except for the last one, invite you, leave, and you take the last one. not very likely...but possible...and once again to repeat myself incase you start this whole thing up again...I BELIEVE YOU, I TOOK YOUR WORD FOR IT...there happy?

"Before you think of this:
Note: when you walk out and enter again... the items won't be available anymore. GG"
what? i don't get it...but sure....i though of that.....gg

Avarre · Jun 01, 2006, 06:07 AM // 06:07

The problem, domonx, is that you even consider he could be lying. That you devise complex patterns for him to try to show that the mission is completeable when you think it isn't is the funny thing.

This thread is about rank =! pve skill.

Thread conclusion:

PvE skill is harnessing of common sense and team dynamics.
Ranked players often have these.
Ranked and PvE idiots are common, however rank generally means someone has some brain.
Using rank as a means to get into a PvE group, however, is pointless.

End thread.

Jestah · Jun 01, 2006, 06:51 AM // 06:51

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Originally Posted by Avarre

PvE skill is harnessing of common sense and team dynamics.
Ranked players often have these.
Ranked and PvE idiots are common, however rank generally means someone has some brain.
Using rank as a means to get into a PvE group, however, is pointless.

How'd you figure that? I'd much prefer to take a player who could prove he "generally had some brain" than one who could prove nothing.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

This thread is about rank =! pve skill.

Inequality operator is != not =!. Being pedantic ftw.

Avarre · Jun 01, 2006, 06:57 AM // 06:57

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Originally Posted by Jestah

How'd you figure that? I'd much prefer to take a player who could prove he "generally had some brain" than one who could prove nothing.

Most PvE players have titles that show PvE capability, you know

That generally shows something... though if no-title and rank-title with same class both invite, I'd probably take the ranked one except in various circumstances ('SUPER RANK 3 LFG!!!!' wouldn't make it

). It wouldn't so much be the rank as the fact that more likely they have played longer. I'd take a cartographer over a ranked person (pve vs pvp duration of playing), and so on...

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Inequality operator is != not =!. Being pedantic ftw.

Damn

Greedy Gus · Jun 01, 2006, 07:03 AM // 07:03

Hands down, I would prefer a person who could show even basic PvP success than a random person even in PvE

Ate of DK · Jun 01, 2006, 07:05 AM // 07:05

Now that solves that problem.
I just finished Gayla Hatchery with henchies for those who are interested.

Screen1 shows me at the gate before the cutscene:
http://i72.imagethrust.com/images/eT...gaylagate.html
Screen2 is the endmovie with high-henchie-voltage
http://i72.imagethrust.com/images/eT...ahenchies.html
Screen3 is my master reward with henchmen
http://i72.imagethrust.com/images/eT...hlareward.html

I also think that PvP players have more common knowlegde about how to opperate as a team. Also as a pug in PvE.
Also I agree at was mentioned about lots more kids playing PvE. Once I teamed up with what later seemed to be an eleven year old warrior who kept agro-ing.

Jestah · Jun 01, 2006, 08:58 AM // 08:58

Hmm why do you white out your name on the party window but leave it visible in chat ? :P

got lah · Jun 01, 2006, 11:39 AM // 11:39

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Originally Posted by domonx

yes...you don't need skill if your team is skill..thats true. there is no circular logic because no one ever said that all the ppl who are r9+got it by leeching. no one. your just making that agrument up by yourself. re read the post...no one has ever said that all ranked ppl leech.

Except you. Hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by domonx

"Extremely good, considering the basis of your nonsensical argument is that there isnt enough damage. And ranger dps > mesmer dps, generally."
if only dps determines if you can kill something or not. but it doesn't. and the ranger dps>mesmer dps can be agrue either way.

Can be argued? Most mesmer kills dont fork out DIRECT damage. Rangers can shoot as they will, with plently of +damage skills and IAS stances. Ranger DPS> Mesmer DPS? Please.

Skuld · Jun 01, 2006, 01:01 PM // 13:01

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Originally Posted by sedgewick

I don't bother to invite anyone that displays their Hero title in PvE.

Heh, would you prefer 60% tyrian explorer was shown than a rank title?

Havelock · Jun 01, 2006, 01:22 PM // 13:22

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Originally Posted by Skuld

Heh, would you prefer 60% tyrian explorer was shown than a rank title?

If this was in a PvE Town or Mission: sure, as that would prove the person probably went through most of the Prophecies content, what - in my perception - means they know at least a bit of PvE.

For PvE I will always prefer someone diplaying a PvE title - with the possible exception of the Drunkard-Title

PvE is about fighting a KI that behaves according to some more-or-less well known patterns (e.g. aggro-bubble, patrols, ...) where the behaviour of real people in PvP (especially Hero's Ascent - the only PvP thing that actually has a title) is completely different.

NinjaKai · Jun 01, 2006, 01:29 PM // 13:29

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Originally Posted by Skuld

Heh, would you prefer 60% tyrian explorer was shown than a rank title?

I agree on this Hero is a nice title from a purely superfluous perspective. Its only an annoyance when the person actually starts to flash of their title by drawing attention to themselves in a way that is arrogant that it becomes a problem. However, not on your point about the explorer title.

Ate of DK · Jun 01, 2006, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by Jestah

Hmm why do you white out your name on the party window but leave it visible in chat ? :P

Oops