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Avarre · May 30, 2006, 07:39 AM // 07:39

I was done with factions in a few days... the only reason I stopped at any point was to, and listen up here close PvP parochials, replay areas to capture, explore and collect items. Everything from Kaineng onwards is level 20 content, a real hardcore PvE'er would take their time to fully master all of it. That's why many PvE players went slower. I did not have trouble completing any mission within a few tries at worst (vizunah bug, doing tahnnakai and sunjiang 8+ times..). Please try to think beyond what is just in front of you to consider reasons and other overlaying issues.

PvP playing means you can use skills.

PvE playing means you can use skills.

PvPers will know what to do on a PvP map, and what skills to use.

They will not, however, know the maps in PvE, but the whole point of PvE is to explore anyway. Therefore this is not an issue, because mostly a team follows a leader. How simple can it be?

B Ephekt · May 30, 2006, 09:07 AM // 09:07

Haha, I love how unranked pve players always assume anyone with rank plays IWAY. Please shut up with your ignorant rationalizations, it's one of the main reasons pvpers call you noobs. (not that I agree, I'm just saying) Also, if you've never tombed, please shut up about IWAY. Nobody wants to hear you regurgitate the opinions of others you read here on the forums.

That said...

Rank generally shows that a player understands the game mechanics and skills in the game (as well as maps in HA). I could see how this might benefit a team in pve, but I still find it retarded to require rank for pve missions.

Pve is not hard, takes minimal teamwork, can be PUGed easily and can almost always be completed with henchmen. Just stick to finding polite, patient people for your PUGs and you will almost always do fine. And that guy spamming r3+ required is probably an asshole or rage quitter anyway, just ignore him.

Ado · May 30, 2006, 09:55 AM // 09:55

In the first week I saw a lot of ranked players far in the game. In fact, sometimes I saw more r9+ players in the last couple of missions than in HA. I think a lot of ranked players (myself included) wanted to finish pve quickly and head back to pvp. But I agree with most people that rank doesnt automaticly make someone a better pve-player. It might help in knowlegde of skills, grouptactics etc, but a good pve-player knows these things as well I presume.

edit: Woops, I was reading page 6 instead of 7. Most I've said was said by the previous poster, sorry about that.

Sam- · May 30, 2006, 11:26 AM // 11:26

A good friend is better than a random PUG. I met this guy in early missions and we ended up beating the last 5 missions together with 6 henches, no problem. (That includes beating the last mission within 25 second, no idea how that happened)

Retribution X · May 30, 2006, 11:52 AM // 11:52

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

Haha, I love how unranked pve players always assume anyone with rank plays IWAY. Please shut up with your ignorant rationalizations, it's one of the main reasons pvpers call you noobs. (not that I agree, I'm just saying) Also, if you've never tombed, please shut up about IWAY. Nobody wants to hear you regurgitate the opinions of others you read here on the forums.

This part was completly irrelevant to the topic.

I've never played IWAY, But I have played Boon Prot/Boon heal, and SS/BR.

The Reason we hate this, Is because We look for a halfway competent group, and the "Interrupt Mesmers" Bring Power block, And the warriors use frenzy (Which, IMHO, is never usefull...), Ranger are complete idiots and also go interrupts, but hide behind the walls, necro's are anti caster or anti warrior, Sins are focused on one target, And the monks are smiters.

It's not gonna work. They have got to use a halfway decent build. They think that PvP has some realtion to PvE, which it does not.

frickaline · May 30, 2006, 12:18 PM // 12:18

I tend to find that the pvp players that believe they are gracing the pve realm with their presence often don't have the patience required to play the game slow and smart when so required (not all, but many). Since I have seen some of these players play pvp smart when required I really dont get this, but I think it comes down to patience.

They tend to lack the patience to work within the group they picked up and get frustrated and angered easily when one member is lacking in skill (often the cry of "noob" is soon to follow), rather than simply trying to fill the gap. Some pvp players can be very patient, but more often I find that the ones that flash around the fancy emote tend to be the ones that berate their team members with harsh insults. This frustrates me when it happens because it means my team will fall apart and even if those being yelled at stay in game, its not going to be easy to complete our goal with low team moral, nor will it be any fun.

It seems often that people forget that this is a game and instead try to derive an ego stroke from a number they have on the screen. I'd far rather play with people interested in having fun than people that thik they are wasting time by playing a game for fun rather than for ego.

Other than that, I'd have no issues with a mainly pvp person, but patience is a much larger aspect of pve than pvp and when it lacks, its very problematic.

B Ephekt · May 30, 2006, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

This part was completly irrelevant to the topic.

I know, it was just a rant on all the sweaping genrealizations I saw in this thread.

And now you come along and add a lot more crap to the list...

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The Reason we hate this, Is because We look for a halfway competent group, and the "Interrupt Mesmers" Bring Power block, And the warriors use frenzy (Which, IMHO, is never usefull...), Ranger are complete idiots and also go interrupts, but hide behind the walls, necro's are anti caster or anti warrior, Sins are focused on one target, And the monks are smiters.

Everything you just mentioned is what a BAD pvp player would use in pve, and is in no way an indication of what all pvpers would do. Good players know the difference, and I think you'll find that there are very few people who play pvp without ever having played pve. Most people I play with, either form my friends list or PUGs, have a few pve chars and play through the missions and such. A lot of times it's actually favorable to have a pve char in pvp since you can have extra armor with superiors and more weapon sets, so a lot of casters use pve chars.

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They think that PvP has some realtion to PvE, which it does not.

I think it's pretty ignorant to assume that everyone who plays pvp is inherently dumb when it comes to pve. A lot of us DO play pve, believe it or not. I'm in a mostly pve guild, I started out as a pve player, and have 5 pve characters that I play off and on. When I want to gvg I smurf with our sister guild or alliance. I do HA mostly with friends.

IMO, you discredit yourself by making broad base generalizations and trying to state them as fact. There is no way to make blanket statement like “pvp players are bad at pve because it’s different” and not look like a blabbering fool. I’m sorry, but you're not making a point by spewing unfounded drivel.

I will say this though, a good player, regardless of what they focus on in Guild Wars, will play well in most situations. I'd be more inclinded to say the r3/6/9 guy that's an idiot in pve is just a bad player in general, not that he's just too used to pvp to comprehend RPing.

Retribution X · May 30, 2006, 12:58 PM // 12:58

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

And now you come along and add a lot more crap to the list...Everything you just mentioned is what a BAD pvp player would use in pve, and is in no way an indication of what all pvpers would do. Good players know the difference, and I think you'll find that there are very few people who play pvp without ever having played pve. Most people I play with, either form my friends list or PUGs, have a few pve chars and play through the missions and such. A lot of times it's actually favorable to have a pve char in pvp since you can have extra armor with superiors and more weapon sets, so a lot of casters use pve chars.

I agree, Except those are some of the builds I've used to get at least 10 flawless in a row.

I know the difference, because I play enough to know the difference.

I don't know some builds, But most PvP builds are focused on one target, Instead of multipule targets. (The Power block build isn't good in PvE for obvious reasons)

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

I think it's pretty ignorant to assume that everyone who plays pvp is inherently dumb when it comes to pve. A lot of us DO play pve, believe it or not. I'm in a mostly pve guild, I started out as a pve player, and have 5 pve characters that I play off and on. When I want to gvg I smurf with our sister guild or alliance. I do HA mostly with friends.

I play PvE Frequently. I also am A Famous PvPer in our guild. I didn't exactly say that alll that PvP are dumb at PvE. This topic is about how Rank Isn't gotten In PvP, And usually the same builds don't work.

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

IMO, you discredit yourself by making broad base generalizations and trying to state them as fact. There is no way to make blanket statement like “pvp players are bad at pve because it’s different” and not look like a blabbering fool. I’m sorry, but you're not making a point by spewing unfounded drivel.

I am not trying to state them as fact. And I know, PvP players are actually usually BETTER at PvE than those that don't PvP.

What I am saying is that the builds don't WORK in PvE As they do in PvP, Because most of the PvP builds are for single targets, instaed of many targets.

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

I will say this though, a good player, regardless of what they focus on in Guild Wars, will play well in most situations. I'd be more inclinded to say the r3/6/9 guy that's an idiot in pve is just a bad player in general, not that he's just too used to pvp to comprehend RPing.

Generally, yes. But Only if they change their build. Insidious and SS actually don't work overly well on afflicted. Most PvPers I've seen want to use their PvP cookie-cutter builds that are awsome in PvP, Which are focused on single targets.

You really can't focus on one single profession for PvE, As you can Specilize in PvP, as you generally know what you'll be against, and the range of foe styles is smaller.

I agree with ALL of what you said. I just can't word it quite as well.

B Ephekt · May 30, 2006, 01:05 PM // 13:05

Sorry for the misunderstanding then.

Taurus · May 30, 2006, 01:06 PM // 13:06

PvPers ARE superior in battle than PvErs, and since nobody wants to waste their time in missions with a sword warrior with gladiators defense as elite and no dmg output, PvPers are the way to go.

floplag · May 30, 2006, 03:19 PM // 15:19

PvP rank has absolutely nothing to do with anything in PvE .. never has, never will, nor should it. especially with so manyt fame farmers using cookie cutter builds that dont understand thier own character any better than that so-called noob. and please god keep your rank emotes to yourself, PvEers are not impressed

that having been said, the two gameplay styles are totally different.. what works in one may or may not work in the other.... so once again we see that the two worlds are in fact very distant and unrelated

yes, ive done both before anyone asks

both sides have issues ... PvPers have an extreme superiority complex in many cases.. and PvEers have a chip on thier shoulder about the lack of repsxect or content for them.

its an apples vs oranges issue... comparing the two is like a monkey F__K&ing a football .. its nonsense.

some oif the worst players ive seen in PUGs made no bones about letting us know his rank in PvP .. and of course had no friggin clue in PvE but WE were the noobs ... riight

bottom line here, neither side is right or wrong... get over yourselves, play the game, and try to have fun rather than turning into a penile measuring contest

Dove_Song · May 30, 2006, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by floplag

and try to have fun rather than turning into a penile measuring contest

ZOMG you just said what I've been thinking for a year but was too afraid to say LOL ...

Kareem · May 30, 2006, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by Dove_Song

with the new titles system you can see what rank someone is if they choose to list said title.

How do you choose to list title?

victo bei · May 30, 2006, 04:29 PM // 16:29

rank -> pvp
$$$/Armor/Weapon -> Pve

Helll is for Heroes · May 30, 2006, 04:50 PM // 16:50

well, the rank of players means little, but still means something in PvE.

Ranked people are probably more competant than a complete new guy to the game, but might not be better than lets say a guy whos fairly apt at PvE. You cannot really judge if someone is experienced or not at PvE but you certaintly can judge if someone has been playing for a long time or not if they have a rank.

IT DOES NOT MEAN EXPERIENCE THOUGH.

honestly though, would you choose a random PUGger over someone who has rank9 for a PvE mission? I doubt it. However, would you choose someone who you know is decent at PvE considering he has the Protecter of Cantha/Tyria over a rank9 in PvE? I think so.

These are all generalisations however, as you cant truly tell if someone will be useful or not for these missions.

And please, stop flaming/trolling each other.

BrutusV · May 30, 2006, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by victo bei

$$$/Armor/Weapon -> Pve

For some reason $$$/Armor/Weapon makes me think ebay.

On topic - If I get a choice between a ranked and unranked player wanting to join a PUG, if I can see the ranked player has some PvE features (such as 15k armor), I'd probably take him over the unranked player... Unless the ranked guy flashes a rank emote. Doing something totally irrelevant for the circumstances indicates to me he has no idea what he's doing.

llsektorll · May 30, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

all i have to say is unranked people use the following skills...

endure pain
defy pain
thinks mending is the godliest skill in game
uses vigorous spirit and thinks it will beat a army of lvl 24s
MONKS USING HEALING BREEZE THINKING IT WILL SAVE PEOPLE FROM DEATH

atleast we can laugh at you pvers when you come to tombs...

but atleast with rank you may not get a garuntee that they know what they are doing in the mission but you sure as hell know that they know how to run their build effectively.

P.S. Rank has been highly demoralized lately due to builds like IWAY. I just think you should have some dignity and run something with some honor.

Kern Wolf · May 30, 2006, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Helll is for Heroes

well, the rank of players means little, but still means something in PvE.

Ranked people are probably more competant than a complete new guy to the game, but might not be better than lets say a guy whos fairly apt at PvE. You cannot really judge if someone is experienced or not at PvE but you certaintly can judge if someone has been playing for a long time or not if they have a rank.

IT DOES NOT MEAN EXPERIENCE THOUGH.

honestly though, would you choose a random PUGger over someone who has rank9 for a PvE mission? I doubt it. However, would you choose someone who you know is decent at PvE considering he has the Protecter of Cantha/Tyria over a rank9 in PvE? I think so.

These are all generalisations however, as you cant truly tell if someone will be useful or not for these missions.

And please, stop flaming/trolling each other.

Rank might mean something to YOU in PVE; I could care less about it.
And yes, I'll take a random PUGger in a heartbeat (I often do), versus that guy who constantly wants to flash his rank, and thinks that he automatically should have everyone bow down to him (no friggin way).
As for titles, I have several; but I don't care to show them (or know them). I dont care to know yours. Just show me some enthusiasm for the mission/quest, and some manners towards your teammates, and you're in..

Helll is for Heroes · May 30, 2006, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by Kern Wolf

Just show me some enthusiasm for the mission/quest, and some manners towards your teammates, and you're in..

lol, so enthusiasm is all it takes to get into your group? So you're willing to take 7 wa/mos through Hells Precipice yes? ok?

if so, PM me, im helll is for heroes, i will join your group. Lets see how far enthusiasm gets you.

Theres a reason why people discriminate against certain people, and thats because people want to get things done in missions.

DC_Ross_Dark · May 30, 2006, 06:31 PM // 18:31

I'd Trust a r9 monk over any "protector of cantha" anyday.