Curse

mrcake · Nov 24, 2006, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

Thanks for the nice info all, especially you, aohige. Currently busy farming two groups of Spears, which already netted me approx 3000 points, in 3.5 hours. Not as much as with farming the Scythes, but I keep screwing up on those

To anyone who has problems with farming those Scythes too: just use those Spears, they are a lot easier to set up.

Only 'bout 40h to go ^^

Think i will try the spears tomorow.. getting 2 scyth groups going this late on a friday is proving a bit of a chore.
Just cant stop them chasing after my monk

Hope i have better luck with spears tomorow!!

dj deviate · Nov 24, 2006, 10:50 PM // 22:50

what rank are torment creatures in nightfallen garden as ive been doing it in NF jahai and there 28 and just keep over spawning

BlackRecluse · Nov 24, 2006, 11:13 PM // 23:13

got the hang of it a few hours ago, got up to 10,000 points xd

mrcake · Nov 24, 2006, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by dj deviate

what rank are torment creatures in nightfallen garden as ive been doing it in NF jahai and there 28 and just keep over spawning

They be 28

dj deviate · Nov 25, 2006, 12:23 AM // 00:23

lol im just crap at it then look like i just gonna have to keep practicing either the over spawn or i kill it before it duplicates

aohige · Nov 25, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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Originally Posted by Lost

Now back to my point. It seems overspawning is just so random. It can be 10 minutes or 10 hours before they fail. Is it luck or can I make improvements?

Spawning limit is eight, per group. So your best bet is to use a build that can tank eight of them at once, and not break a sweat.
Use a life bond/life barrier hero to keep the tank alive, and hide the monk where it can't get hit.
With those enchants maintained, the overspawning won't be an issue.

The best way to do this is use a hero that can do good area damage, but not TOO powerful.
The R/N build provided by Juicey (which he got from another player) works nicely, and I tested out if D/R can do the same, and with some damage output adjustments, it seems to work fine.
The idea is to slowly (but not too slowly) damage massess of enemy, continuously.

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Originally Posted by Cyan The Archer

Why do the Spears not run when your rangers use Whirling Defense?(If thats the skill, a bit too small to see)

It is, and WHY the Spears don't disperse when deflection from WD is spamming them, I do not know.

I tried it out, and they didn't move an inch, so I kept it in the build. If I need them to get hit for my ene regen while I'm setting up the enchants, I disalble it temporary.

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Originally Posted by mrcake

Think i will try the spears tomorow.. getting 2 scyth groups going this late on a friday is proving a bit of a chore.
Just cant stop them chasing after my monk

Hope i have better luck with spears tomorow!!

Scythe to Spear point gain ratio seems to be 10:9.
Meaning, 1 group of R/N can get 500/h from a group of Scythes, and 450/h from a group of Spears.
For sacrificing 10% gain, you are almost guarnteed a safe and easy farming.
That's why I perfer the Spears.

-.- · Nov 25, 2006, 04:15 AM // 04:15

I seem to like Scythes much better than Spears, they're much easier to pull to the Rangers.

-.- · Nov 25, 2006, 08:31 AM // 08:31

3283 Points away, I'm going set it up tomorrow; too sleepy.

Kaida the Heartless · Nov 25, 2006, 09:52 AM // 09:52

The shrine is so much more effective when you trap the baddies IN the mouth and not the hill...

Monk + Return + Bodyblock /w Warrior = Scythes Perma-trapped

I don't know why, but noone has suggested Essence Bond on thier monks.

Healing Light + Divine Boon > Glimmer

Regardless, ignore my pointage in that pic, it's a bit old. Gonna try this ranger thing everyone is talkin about. Apparently, it works O.o

mrcake · Nov 25, 2006, 10:05 AM // 10:05

I use essence bond like was suggested in juiceys post.

Finally managed to get 2 groups of spears on the go, more to do with manging to get them far enough away from the shrine so i could split them without worrying about the other getting aggroed by first group.

Rah Balder · Nov 25, 2006, 10:14 AM // 10:14

Wewt finally got my Holy Afkbringer title

Thanks to evryone who posted helpful information especially Juicey, couldnt hav pulled it off without ya Screenies

GL to all afk'ers out there.

Slainster · Nov 25, 2006, 11:10 AM // 11:10

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Originally Posted by Juicey Shake

Instructions: exit Gate of the Nightfallen Lands, look for a spawn of torments right near the shrine-- if there is one, make sure a Scythe of Chaos is in it.. if not, keep respawning until you see one there.

Could I ask from what outpost you are exiting to get this area? Trying to figure out if i have it yet ^^

mrcake · Nov 25, 2006, 11:19 AM // 11:19

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Originally Posted by Slainster

Could I ask from what outpost you are exiting to get this area? Trying to figure out if i have it yet ^^

The outpost is 'Gate of the Nightfallen lands' the area it exits on to is 'Nightfallen Jahai'

Slainster · Nov 25, 2006, 11:21 AM // 11:21

thanks.. so i guess im off to find this outpost

mrcake · Nov 25, 2006, 11:38 AM // 11:38

Its over to the left when you come out of gate of torment if you keep your mini map on you should see the portal eventually.

mwpeck · Nov 25, 2006, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Thanks, everyone who posted these tips. I tried with the scythes and found it too hard to get them setup just right, but the spears are MUCH easier.

I have idled for about 16 hours using the spears, I got about 12K points(there was some time where I wasnt farming them). And thats just in a day. The spears are sooo easy, you dont even have to body block. I just set my rangers an equal distance from my monk, and I set the monk out of aggro range, but in casting range and they have never gone for the monk, in about 13-14hours of overall farming.

Today - r5(was r2 yesterday)

Tomorrow - r7(hopefully higher)

BlackRecluse · Nov 25, 2006, 04:51 PM // 16:51

damn im really having trouble setting up two groups, so if anybody ever needs a partner to farm with PM me at Fear Stryker

Cyan The Archer · Nov 25, 2006, 04:56 PM // 16:56

To those who are having trouble setting it up, look on page 15 and use the tactic aohige posted. ALOT easier.

SumXone · Nov 25, 2006, 05:02 PM // 17:02

why do you guys not use necro/monks or necro/x as farmers?
this way, you can squeeze more enchantments into your build, or whatever fits your need best.

also, take disease instead of poison, it automatically spreads to all torments. this way, you can give your necro an offhand item and an +5 axe instead of that scythe. it works very well -5 degen from disease is just right for having constantly 7 torments on you. for the little exra punch read on:

take vocal minority, to lower the spears damage even more, and prevent them from selfhealing with chants.
a necro has no problems at all dealing with the damage, the bonds suck it all up.

for even more safety (lags etc, i dunno) i gave my monk symbiosis. this way the farmer has about 1000 health. (farming spears only, doing this while farming scythes is not very productive^^)

for the little extra kills:
take holy wrath and retribution and cast it on the farmers. that way, the scythes or spears take more damage while attacking (equals to about 2-4 pips of degen) but as soon as they stop attacking to call to torment, this extra damage stops, giving them enough time to complete the duplication. it works quite well, and speeds up the process quite a bit.
i would recommend this to anyone, who rather takes on one group instead of 2. this way, you get far more than 600 points/h with only one group.

Evilsod · Nov 25, 2006, 05:17 PM // 17:17

I was wondering earlier. Since Apply Poison + Well of Suffering is slightly too potent. Why not use Rotting Flesh on its own instead? You'd keep them all at a -6 degen, not too strong, not too weak.